Player Discussion Official Former Leafs Thread

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I gotta say, I dont want to trade the Colorado 1st. Its not going to be fantastic but its all we got for Marner and symbolically, just draft a decent kid and please stop the overspending

 

[Drytoast]

Or…..maybe, just maybe….

Marner knows what a winning team looks like, knows what a winning team behaves like.

He was the MVP when the London Knights won the Memorial Cup


And The sensitive ones are the fans that cried and still cry that he left

Here's a theory.

Matt Tkachuk who was his line mate...knew exactly how delicate a little snow flake Marner was and how easy it is to get him off his game through the smallest of physicality...and what did he do?

He targeted Marner.







And what did that do?

Made Marner a scared little parameter player who did 360 blind pass turn overs.



"stop f***ing crying bro"

 

[leafs in five]

At least a goal and assist off 360 blind passes through 3 cup final games

 

[Zybalto]

At least a goal and assist off 360 blind passes through 3 cup final games

The same guy doing the same things always looks better on a winner.

Is he facing worse teams? Yea
Is he facing far worse goalies? Yea
Is he on a better, deeper team? Yea
Is Hart the best goalie hes ever had in the playoffs? Yea
Have other teams been the ones with major injury issues? Yea
Are other players finishing his passes comparable his time with the Leafs? Yea
Is he throwing as many hits as he had with the Leafs? Yea
Has he even had some puck luck compared with the past? Yea

Is it possible hes been able to find better scoring areas due to playing these inferior teams and his whole team, superior to the other team he has played with, has been able to finish their chances due to that QoC, especially goaltending and has gotten a couple of fortunate bounces too?

NO, HOW DARE YOU SAY SUCH A THING! HES COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! #&$&%&#&%&%

 

[Drytoast]

The same guy doing the same things always looks better on a winner.

Is he facing worse teams? Yea
Is he facing far worse goalies? Yea
Is he on a better, deeper team? Yea
Is Hart the best goalie hes ever had in the playoffs? Yea
Have other teams been the ones with major injury issues? Yea
Are other players finishing his passes comparable his time with the Leafs? Yea
Is he throwing as many hits as he had with the Leafs? Yea
Has he even had some puck luck compared with the past? Yea

Is it possible hes been able to find better scoring areas due to playing these inferior teams and his whole team, superior to the other team he has played with, has been able to finish their chances due to that QoC, especially goaltending and has gotten a couple of fortunate bounces too?

NO, HOW DARE YOU SAY SUCH A THING! HES COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! #&$&%&#&%&%

It's 1 of 2 things.

Either Boston Florida and Tampa knew how to nullify Marner through physical play

OR

Marner was more of a movie star diva here. Treated like a god either way. Paid the most for a winger either way. And the pressure to actually perform wasn't felt.

I think it's a mix of both. Mostly the first reason, but I don't think Marner cared much about losing here. And I still think that's the case with Nylander and Matthews as well.

 

[Free Vaseline]

Here's a theory.

Matt Tkachuk who was his line mate...knew exactly how delicate a little snow flake Marner was and how easy it is to get him off his game through the smallest of physicality...and what did he do?

He targeted Marner.







And what did that do?

Made Marner a scared little parameter player who did 360 blind pass turn overs.



"stop f***ing crying bro"

Anyone is delicate when you intentionally try to injure someone or elbow them in the head.

Is Matthew Knies delicate when he got hit in the head or when Bennet shoved his head to the ground?

Is Stolie delicate when he got concussed with a delicate little elbow to the back of his head.


Buddy you are only embarrassing yourself here

 

[Zybalto]

It's 1 of 2 things.

Either Boston Florida and Tampa knew how to nullify Marner through physical play

OR

Marner was more of a movie star diva here. Treated like a god either way. Paid the most for a winger either way. And the pressure to actually perform wasn't felt.

I think it's a mix of both. Mostly the first reason, but I don't think Marner cared much about losing here. And I still think that's the case with Nylander and Matthews as well.

Marner vs.Tampa 5v5 on ice stats in the playoffs:

Goals for:15
Goals against: 5

All other Leafs players without him on the ice combined:

Goals for 12
Goals against: 22

Dman, they must have hit Marner so hard with the physicality it smacked you into not realizing he was the best forward for either team over those 2 series.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Playing with tons of confidence is different to playing a totally different game. He is obviously on a heater.


I mentioned the Olympics, in the post you replied to originally. The rest of this is fishing for drama. "obfuscating"

I asked you a simple yes or no question, the fact that you mentioned the Olympics in a previous post is irrelevant. If instead of a yes/no answer you blather on about this and that, that speaks for itself and yes, that is obfuscation.

 

[Drytoast]

Anyone is delicate when you intentionally try to injure someone or elbow them in the head.

Is Matthew Knies delicate when he got hit in the head or when Bennet shoved his head to the ground?

Is Stolie delicate when he got concussed with a delicate little elbow to the back of his head.


Buddy you are only embarrassing yourself here

Matthews knies game didnt change due to rough stuff. Matthews? You may have an argument. But we are talking marner. And how boston tampa and florida negated him

 

[thewave]

It’s competitive and fair.

Oh it's competitive but fair, not so much. The fact that a team in the south can sign a player for 15-20% less is literally unfair on its face. I mean it is the actual definition of unfair.

Do I need to give an example? I will anyways...

In free agency, player X is worth 12m to Toronto in fitting with their cap structure and consensus value amongst similarly taxed regions. Vegas makes the same player 11m offer and they save 1m in cap and the player is actually taking home more money that if he signed in Toronto.

Not fair. Free signing bonus baked into the cake

 

[Drytoast]

Marner vs.Tampa 5v5 on ice stats in the playoffs:

Goals for:15
Goals against: 5

All other Leafs players without him on the ice combined:

Goals for 12
Goals against: 22

Dman, they must have hit Marner so hard with the physicality it smacked you into not realizing he was the best forward for either team over those 2 series.

Interesting

Can you show me 1 game out of 9 years where he took control as our "best forward"? 9 years. Would be neat to see. Not games where he scored the 3rd goal in a 4-1 win... But actually took charge.


Let me guess? You can't and its everyone else fault?

I would bet you money that if crosby were in this market...he would have performed better than marner. Best forwards tend to still fine ways to succeed.

 

[leafs in five]

I asked you a simple yes or no question, the fact that you mentioned the Olympics in a previous post is irrelevant. If instead of a yes/no answer you blather on about this and that, that speaks for itself and yes, that is obfuscation.

you don't have to ask me any questions or read my replies if you don't want, it's up to you really

 

[leafs in five]

Can you show me 1 game out of 9 years where he took control as our "best forward"? 9 years. Would be neat to see.

yes

 

[Drytoast]

yes

Really? Cause I don't seem to remember anytime where he put the game on his back and took control. Isn't that funny?

 

[Gary Nylund]

you don't have to ask me any questions or read my replies if you don't want, it's up to you really

LOL. No shit Sherlock, any other obvious facts you'd care to share?

Nobody has to do anything here, I just think it's kind of sad that you can't or won't answer a simple yes or no question on a subject you are obviously invested in quite heavily. I used to think you were at least a decent poster, what the heck happened to you?

 

[tmlms13]

Toronto has higher income tax, they would have had to offer him 16M+ to be comparable.

Marner felt disrespected they weren’t matching Vegas’ take home pay.

Marner decided probably 2 years ago he was leaving. No matter what they did in the 2025 playoffs

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Marner decided probably 2 years ago he was leaving. No matter what they did in the 2025 playoffs

At least 2 years

 

[Nineteen67]

Oh it's competitive but fair, not so much. The fact that a team in the south can sign a player for 15-20% less is literally unfair on its face. I mean it is the actual definition of unfair.

Do I need to give an example? I will anyways...

In free agency, player X is worth 12m to Toronto in fitting with their cap structure and consensus value amongst similarly taxed regions. Vegas makes the same player 11m offer and they save 1m in cap and the player is actually taking home more money that if he signed in Toronto.

Not fair. Free signing bonus baked into the cake

I don’t see that as unfair nor is it an NHL problem.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Interesting

Can you show me 1 game out of 9 years where he took control as our "best forward"? 9 years. Would be neat to see. Not games where he scored the 3rd goal in a 4-1 win... But actually took charge.

yes

So what's stopping you?

 

[Antropovsky]

After watching the 4 Nations, Olympics and now the Playoffs it really just confirms what many of us Leaf fans knew, the problem was always more the environment than the player.

Not sure is Natural stat trick is accurate... but Marners 5v5 stats at the Olympics:

45 mins, 0 points, 1 shot
On ice for 1 goal for and 2 goals against

?? Thats lousy stuff

 

[Superstar]

Interesting

Can you show me 1 game out of 9 years where he took control as our "best forward"? 9 years. Would be neat to see. Not games where he scored the 3rd goal in a 4-1 win... But actually took charge.


Let me guess? You can't and its everyone else fault?

I would bet you money that if crosby were in this market...he would have performed better than marner. Best forwards tend to still fine ways to succeed.

We don't even have to contemplate about what Crosby would do as a Leaf...we saw what Gilmour, Sundin, Clark, Roberts, and even Alyn McCauley did in the playoffs as Leafs. Marner never played with that kind of intensity, nor rose up to that kind of challenge as a Leaf in the playoffs...even Sergei Berezin had more intensity.

 

[Apex Predator]

Marner decided probably 2 years ago he was leaving. No matter what they did in the 2025 playoffs

He seemed unhappy here for a while but I just don’t get why he didn’t ask for a trade if he was that unhappy.

 

[Antropovsky]

He seemed unhappy here for a while but I just don’t get why he didn’t ask for a trade if he was that unhappy.

He would've been happy if he got the C, was even more babied (media restrictions like Vegas probably) and got 15 million per year.

He also probably wanted the Leafs to put out a statement because of the perceived unfair blame he was getting for the playoff failures:
"Look everyone, no matter what your eyes saw, it was everyone else who sucked in the playoffs... not Mitch."

 

[Daisy Jane]

We don't even have to contemplate about what Crosby would do as a Leaf...we saw what Gilmour, Sundin, Clark, Roberts, and even Alyn McCauley did in the playoffs as Leafs. Marner never played with that kind of intensity, nor rose up to that kind of challenge as a Leaf in the playoffs...even Sergei Berezin had more intensity.

dead honest. i don't want to hear boohoohoo, vegas has a better/deeper team so Marner ... anymore. because just look up that playoff series where Alyn McCauley put the team on his back and basically everyone important was injured.

and again. that's basically all people wanted. like 50% of Alyn McCauley. heck 50% of what he's doing in Vegas. and he didn't.

like people can run the numbers and show videos and be "oh lol Toronto management." "oh lol Toronto fans." etc. whatever back is broad and used to it who cares. at the end of the day the important thing that should be in everyone's minds is that Marner didn't want to be here after he got everything he wanted minus his freaking schedule B bonuses. so all the back and forth should really be moot.

he never took over a game for us like he's done in vegas
he didn't want to be here.
that's on him. and we'll move on.

 

[leafs in five]

He also probably wanted the Leafs to put out a statement because of the perceived unfair blame he was getting for the playoff failures:
"Look everyone, no matter what your eyes saw, it was everyone else who sucked in the playoffs... not Mitch."

Yeah probably