GDT: Official Carolina Hurricanes 2013 Draft Bonanza. ft: Ryan Hartman and the Whalers

[Jussijuice]

Intresting just saw the rules this year is all trades have to be in before the 5 min clock on the pick starts

Don't think that's right.

JR said he wouldn't consider trading the pick until they see who's available at 5.

 

[LVwrangler]

Are you sure it's not before the pick timer goes up? It seems a bit excessive to not allow trades during the actual draft. I could understand them saying that trades need to be processing before a team is actually on the clock but..... that makes no sense.

You are right sorry I am going on 1 hour sleep here I fixed it in my post...sorta lol

 

[Jussijuice]

Just keep the pick. Not worth losing someone you have your heart set on unless it's an extreme overpayment.

Myers + 8th
For
5th (+ McBain maybe)

Is what I would consider a massive overpayment.

Nichushkin could very well fall to 8 as well.

 

[LVwrangler]

I was hoping Minnesota would be on board for a trade but Falk is a ranger now so I doubt they have enough to give us something

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Myers + 8th
For
5th (+ McBain maybe)

Is what I would consider a massive overpayment.

Nichushkin could very well fall to 8 as well.

Yep. In a heartbeat. Or Domi or horvat if Val gone.

 

[LVwrangler]

Yuck Clutterbuck may be going to the sharks no no no no no

 

[My Special Purpose]

So, what's the plan here? Has anybody figured that out? Do the Hurricanes have a plan, or are they just fielding phone calls from other teams -- that evidently have plans -- and seeing what makes sense? That's the very definition of reactionary.

The Canes should have a plan and *make* the calls. We should not be waiting around for other teams to make the calls.

The reason the Canes' No. 5 pick is hot is because there's a clear "Top 4" right now. It's crystal clear that MacKinnon, Barkov, Drouin, Jones are going 1-2-3-4 in some order (although that's my guess), and nobody in the Top 4 is trading out of the Top 4.

So essentially, the No. 5 pick is hot because it's the first pick that's available, not because anybody specifically wants anyone with that pick. It's actually embarrassing. We should be figuring out what's best for us, then making the calls to make it happen. We shouldn't be reacting to other team's plans.

 

[Jussijuice]

Canes have a guy or two they like a lot in the top-5 (my guess Barkov or Jones), if he doesn't fall they will trade the pick for assets if they get a good deal. With the reported # of teams, I'd guess they will get a good deal. If they don't get a deal they like, they will just use he pick.

Regardless what happens at #5 I think JR will be actively looking to trade for a top-4 D this Draft.

 

[raynman]

So, what's the plan here? Has anybody figured that out? Do the Hurricanes have a plan, or are they just fielding phone calls from other teams -- that evidently have plans -- and seeing what makes sense? That's the very definition of reactionary.

The Canes should have a plan and *make* the calls. We should not be waiting around for other teams to make the calls.

The reason the Canes' No. 5 pick is hot is because there's a clear "Top 4" right now. It's crystal clear that MacKinnon, Barkov, Drouin, Jones are going 1-2-3-4 in some order (although that's my guess), and nobody in the Top 4 is trading out of the Top 4.

So essentially, the No. 5 pick is hot because it's the first pick that's available, not because anybody specifically wants anyone with that pick. It's actually embarrassing. We should be figuring out what's best for us, then making the calls to make it happen. We shouldn't be reacting to other team's plans.

Man, why aren't you sitting at a table in the Prudential Center right now?

 

[LVwrangler]

So, what's the plan here? Has anybody figured that out? Do the Hurricanes have a plan, or are they just fielding phone calls from other teams -- that evidently have plans -- and seeing what makes sense? That's the very definition of reactionary.

The Canes should have a plan and *make* the calls. We should not be waiting around for other teams to make the calls.

The reason the Canes' No. 5 pick is hot is because there's a clear "Top 4" right now. It's crystal clear that MacKinnon, Barkov, Drouin, Jones are going 1-2-3-4 in some order (although that's my guess), and nobody in the Top 4 is trading out of the Top 4.

So essentially, the No. 5 pick is hot because it's the first pick that's available, not because anybody specifically wants anyone with that pick. It's actually embarrassing. We should be figuring out what's best for us, then making the calls to make it happen. We shouldn't be reacting to other team's plans.

I think there doing that drive the price up. Me personally I like that decision.

 

[Vagrant]

So, what's the plan here? Has anybody figured that out? Do the Hurricanes have a plan, or are they just fielding phone calls from other teams -- that evidently have plans -- and seeing what makes sense? That's the very definition of reactionary.

The Canes should have a plan and *make* the calls. We should not be waiting around for other teams to make the calls.

The reason the Canes' No. 5 pick is hot is because there's a clear "Top 4" right now. It's crystal clear that MacKinnon, Barkov, Drouin, Jones are going 1-2-3-4 in some order (although that's my guess), and nobody in the Top 4 is trading out of the Top 4.

So essentially, the No. 5 pick is hot because it's the first pick that's available, not because anybody specifically wants anyone with that pick. It's actually embarrassing. We should be figuring out what's best for us, then making the calls to make it happen. We shouldn't be reacting to other team's plans.

It's called dealing from a position of strength. It's an entirely common strategy in business. The party that MAKES the call immediately adopts the role of suitor and the party that FIELDS the call adopts a position of power. Especially when the rumors exist that there are more than one interested party, the suitor is at the mercy of the party in position of power. Simple as that.

Teams that are making the calls are more inclined to pay your price than teams you approach. It's an entirely simple concept that interest level is highest by those who pursue.

 

[tomdundo]

It's called dealing from a position of strength. It's an entirely common strategy in business. The party that MAKES the call immediately adopts the role of suitor and the party that FIELDS the call adopts a position of power. Especially when the rumors exist that there are more than one interested party, the suitor is at the mercy of the party in position of power. Simple as that.

Teams that are making the calls are more inclined to pay your price than teams you approach. It's an entirely simple concept that interest level is highest by those who pursue.

I was about to say something along these lines, but Vagrant beat me to it, and worded it much more eloquently than I would have.

 

[Identity404]

I have a bad feeling that JR is going to ****** this all up and I will be drinking heavily tonight. The man is senile.

 

[SeaBasstian]

whoa wha?

Josh Rimer ‏@JoshRimerHockey 43s

It's possible we see Evander Kane traded today. Hearing there's a couple teams who have approached Jets.

 

[snakepliskin]

I was about to say something along these lines, but Vagrant beat me to it, and worded it much more eloquently than I would have.

ditto

 

[My Special Purpose]

It's called dealing from a position of strength. It's an entirely common strategy in business. The party that MAKES the call immediately adopts the role of suitor and the party that FIELDS the call adopts a position of power. Especially when the rumors exist that there are more than one interested party, the suitor is at the mercy of the party in position of power. Simple as that.

Teams that are making the calls are more inclined to pay your price than teams you approach. It's an entirely simple concept that interest level is highest by those who pursue.

But the next step in dealing from a position of strength is to actually *use* the leverage gained to get what you want. Not to pick from a series of offers. We have no discernible plan. We're just going to pick and offer that makes sense and go with it.

What we should be doing is deciding the player or two that we want, then making counters. I get no sense that's how JR rolls.

Yes, you're right. We're in position of strength. But it's worthless unless we *use* that position to get what we want.

We were in position of strength last year in the Jordan Staal deal and we managed to get the other GM to thank us for not using it.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

We are not getting Myers.

5th for Sekera + 8th is much more likely.

Hope Nich falls to us at 8th, and it's a good day.

 

[tomdundo]

But the next step in dealing from a position of strength is to actually *use* the leverage gained to get what you want. Not to pick from a series of offers. We have no discernible plan. We're just going to pick and offer that makes sense and go with it.

What we should be doing is deciding the player or two that we want, then making counters. I get no sense that's how JR rolls.

Yes, you're right. We're in position of strength. But it's worthless unless we *use* that position to get what we want.

We were in position of strength last year in the Jordan Staal deal and we managed to get the other GM to thank us for not using it.

Yet the way you worded your initial complaint implies that JR should be making the calls before he fields calls, which is a detriment towards getting the best offer.

If you take calls from various teams, you can use the offers from those teams that have called you in order to up the leverage in order to come out with the maximum deal possible. You can hint towards...say...Buffalo that the most recent offer from Toronto looks like the one you'll take, causing Buffalo to up the ante.

The longer JR waits (as long as the pick doesn't pass), the better deal he could theoretically get by making the other GMs desperate to get that pick.


If JR were to call Buffalo and immediately demand Myers + 8th for 5th, there's no way to say that Regier doesn't shoot him down as a lunatic. It's a bit of a waiting game rather than simply a game of forcing another GMs hand. Both elements are necessary.

 

[Unsustainable]

I had the weirdest dream last night.

JR had announced the 5th overall pick, and the place went silent, and the commentary was like, who the **** is that?

Then Jules Vern (Mini Me from Austin Powers) walks out, its a little clone of JR. JR then turns to everyone, gives them the finger and walks out.

 

[Chan790]

We are not getting Myers.

5th for Sekera + 8th is much more likely.

Hope Nich falls to us at 8th, and it's a good day.

If that's the best offer the Canes have, they should stay put and take their guy (whether Nichushkin, Lindholm or someone else) at #5.

I'm pretty confident that having multiple teams interested has garnered a better offer than that though.

 

[CaniacSZN]

I had the weirdest dream last night.

JR had announced the 5th overall pick, and the place went silent, and the commentary was like, who the **** is that?

Then Jules Vern (Mini Me from Austin Powers) walks out, its a little clone of JR. JR then turns to everyone, gives them the finger and walks out.

 

[Caniac125330]

If we draft Drouin or Nichushkin we should trade Skinner for a top dman.

 

[Jussijuice]

If that's the best offer the Canes have, they should stay put and take their guy (whether Nichushkin, Lindholm or someone else) at #5.

I'm pretty confident that having multiple teams interested has garnered a better offer than that though.

Agreed. Sekera is not anywhere near worth dropping out of the top-7 talent.

 

[officialmark7*]

I know everyone is throwing the 5th pick around in trade proposals, but what do you guys want to do with it? As a Leaf fan I have to ask if you would accept a package built around Phaneuf. Anyways good luck with the draft.

 

[StormCast]

But the next step in dealing from a position of strength is to actually *use* the leverage gained to get what you want. Not to pick from a series of offers. We have no discernible plan. We're just going to pick and offer that makes sense and go with it.

What we should be doing is deciding the player or two that we want, then making counters. I get no sense that's how JR rolls.

Yes, you're right. We're in position of strength. But it's worthless unless we *use* that position to get what we want.

It's not as passive a process as you're implying. You get an offer and then you counteroffer. If that doesn't get you one of the guys on your list, you at least have a gauge on market value in that event you want to make a play for someone on your list.

You're deciding the approach is wrong and then framing your argument with limits to better support it, or so it seems.