Official 9th Baseball ATD Discussion Thread Part II

[Winger for Hire]

I know that I might be in the minority here, but I'm not sold on Oh being a real starting 1B in this format.

Says the man starting Buck Leonard at 1st

/Partly kidding

 

[bluesfan94]

I think there's a lot more evidence that Buck Leonard is great than Oh. Yeah, he's the all time leader in HR in NPB but when part of the top 10 is a failed MLBer, that's telling. But again, I realize I may be in the minority.

 

[NJDevs26]

Haha.....gonna post mine as well....but I'll wait a day to let the other ones breathe.

I'm generally okay with my order construction, I just keep going back and forth on whether to bat Pete 2nd and Kelly 7th against righties or the other way around. The main problem with batting Pete 2nd against righties is I'd have all my L/S bats stacked up 1-3 and my righty bats 4-8. Keeping him 7 splits up the L/S bats from the R bats a little more and keeps my speed at the top of the order in front of the 3-6 muscle.

I only have one platoon position, Pete vs. RHP and Grich vs. LHP at 2B. Grich has better numbers against LHP and is a better fielder so that's an easy one, plus Pete can sub in at other spots perodically anyway.

But many parts seems interchangeable. I like my ordering of the 3/4/5 mainly because I think your best hitter should bat 3rd and Pujols is more scary than Mays. Fox should definitely be #8. I like Ichiro better than Molitor as a lead off option, and quite frankly, any combination of Mauer, Molitor, Lloyd at the 2,6,and 7 spots wouldn't look at of place.

I'm generally old school in that the third hitter should be your best all-around bat as well and that 3-5 should be your power bats while 1-2 should be OBP/speed guys for the most part. 6-8 you could go anywhere you want given team construction.

 

[Winger for Hire]

Vs righties

1. CF Rickey Henderson (R)
2. 2B Rod Carew (L)
3. LF Barry Bonds (L)
4. RF Larry Walker (L)
5. 1B Sadaharu Oh (L)
6. 3B Ryne Sandberg (R)
7. SS Cal Ripken (R)
8. C Gary Carter (R)
9. P

Vs lefties
1. CF Rickey Henderson (R)
2. 1B Ed Delahanty (R)
3. RF Barry Bonds (L)
4. CF Andruw Jones (R)
5. 3B Ryne Sandberg (R)
6. SS Cal Ripken (R)
7. C Gary Carter (R)
8. 2B Rod Carew (L)
9. P

Me is more of a platoon but I like what I got at the top of my order.

Besides what UL said... Carew is a .310 lifetime hitter against LHP, I don't see a need to drop him from 2 to 8 against them, especially for Delahanty (no disrespect intended there). I'd also rather see Cater or Ripken or Bonds in the cleanup spot. Ripkin 3 and Bonds 4 would be better than Jones 4. Jones would be more of a 5 for me (the elevate and celebrate spot, I don't care if my 5 hitter Ks a lot).

 

[le_sean]

See you guys wouldn't have as many issues if your 1-2 hitters were speedy, on-base machine switch hitters like mine

 

[NJDevs26]

See you guys wouldn't have as many issues if your 1-2 hitters were speedy, on-base machine switch hitters like mine

Raines is definitely a top-shelf leadoff guy. Alomar's much better against RHP than LHP but if you have a guy with pronounced splits it's good that the dominant side is against RHP.

I'm a little meh about having five RH hitters and three L/S hitters against RHP, but a couple of my RH hitters (Frank/Nomar) are pretty splits-neutral at least.

 

[ryan callahan]

Besides what UL said... Carew is a .310 lifetime hitter against LHP, I don't see a need to drop him from 2 to 8 against them, especially for Delahanty (no disrespect intended there). I'd also rather see Cater or Ripken or Bonds in the cleanup spot. Ripkin 3 and Bonds 4 would be better than Jones 4. Jones would be more of a 5 for me (the elevate and celebrate spot, I don't care if my 5 hitter Ks a lot).

Well Carew is much better suited very right handed pitchers and Delahanty is a righty who was a stud at getting on base. Simple platoon right here. As far as my cleanup spot, I prefer keeping Bonds at 3 because he was such an all around beast. Imo as well Jones was much much better than Ripken and Carter with the bat.

 

[le_sean]

A #4 hitter with a lifetime OPS+ of 111 doesn't inspire much confidence in this type of competition.

 

[Winger for Hire]

Jones also Ks at almost a 2:1 rate. Not ideal for a 4 or 3.

And I don't know how to fell about you saying Jones has a better bat than Ripken. Because that's false by any measurement.

 

[Voight]

CC Sabathia going for a pick.

Ficked up and forgot I drafted Perry, so now I have way too many starters

 

[NJDevs26]

CC Sabathia going for a pick.

Ficked up and forgot I drafted Perry, so now I have way too many starters

You also have three RH third basemen (Rolen, Matt Williams, Longoria).

 

[ryan callahan]

A #4 hitter with a lifetime OPS+ of 111 doesn't inspire much confidence in this type of competition.

That's where the platoon comes in handy. He has a career ,853 OPS (calculated through ESPN splits stats year by year) against lefties. Since he only plays against southpaws, that's the only useful batting stat for him. As far as Ripken vs Jones, Ripken has a 112 career OPS+ vs a 111 stat for Jones.

 

[NJDevs26]

Jones also Ks at almost a 2:1 rate. Not ideal for a 4 or 3.

And I don't know how to fell about you saying Jones has a better bat than Ripken. Because that's false by any measurement.

Nvm you're right, I thought he was talking about Chipper, not Andruw lol

(too many rosters at once here )

 

[Vegeta]

I could use some suggestions as well

1) Speaker (L)
2) Heilmann (R)
3) Teddy Ballgame (L)
4) Miggy Cabrera (R)
5) Adrian Beltre (R)
6) Gehringer (L)
7) Tulowitzki (R)
8) Posey (R)

Any changes?

 

[Winger for Hire]

Nice pick with Lazzeri

 

[Tecumseh]

Nice pick with Lazzeri

Had to triple check on the search function. I was certain he was gone by now. I suppose he goes under the radar being on those great late '20s and early '30s Yankees teams.

 

[td_ice]

I could use some suggestions as well

1) Speaker (L)
2) Heilmann (R)
3) Teddy Ballgame (L)
4) Miggy Cabrera (R)
5) Adrian Beltre (R)
6) Gehringer (L)
7) Tulowitzki (R)
8) Posey (R)

Any changes?

hmmm.....I know you are trying to break up handedness, but with the options presented, I would not make that my priority in slotting guys. I think you are better off fitting guys in regardless of side, because imo you have guys out of whack with the above.

I would go with something like this.....


1) Gehringer (L)
2) Heilmann (R)
3) Speaker (L)
4) Ted Williams (L)
5) Cabrera (R)
6) Posey (R)
7) Tulowitzki (R)
8) Beltre (R)

 

[Pwnasaurus]

Had to triple check on the search function. I was certain he was gone by now. I suppose he goes under the radar being on those great late '20s and early '30s Yankees teams.

He would have been gone with my pick just now.

 

[UL Washington]

Nice pick with Lazzeri

I thought the Giants had already drafted him to play catcher.

 

[ryan callahan]

I thought the Giants had already drafted him to play catcher.

Cmon I play guys out of position but this is getting a bit out of hand. The only guy you can legit ripe me for not playing at the right place is Sandberg, but he still had a season out of 3B.

 

[Winger for Hire]

Cmon I play guys out of position but this is getting a bit out of hand. The only guy you can legit ripe me for not playing at the right place is Sandberg, but he still had a season out of 3B.

Ricky in CF isn't great either

Ricky is fast, but there's a reason he's a corner man and not a CF. The lines help hide some fielding issues. He can work in CF, but it not gonna be pretty.

 

[bluesfan94]

Cmon I play guys out of position but this is getting a bit out of hand. The only guy you can legit ripe me for not playing at the right place is Sandberg, but he still had a season out of 3B.

Delahanty at first? Bonds in right?

 

[ryan callahan]

Delahanty at first? Bonds in right?

Finally I decided to switch out Jones for Walker since the shenanigans about switching the positions were not worth it so walker RF Henderson cf bonds lf and Delahanty has 2000+ innings at first base. He's going to be fine.

 

[Winger for Hire]

I get what you're trying to do, but I think you're needlessly platooning guys like Walker and Carew (I know Carew isn't "platooning", but he's going from 2nd to 8th in the order from a RHP to a LHP, close enough).

Jones has an awful LHP split and Walker and Carew are neutral splits. Jones is a good ballplayer, but you're shoehorning him in to the detriment of your team.

 

[ryan callahan]

I get what you're trying to do, but I think you're needlessly platooning guys like Walker and Carew.

Jones has an awful LHP split and Walker and Carew are neutral splits. Jones is a good ballplayer, but you're shoehorning him in to the detriment of your team.

Jones is actually a stud against lefties moreso than against righties but anyway I decided to swap Walker back in since he is the superior bat even against lefties.