Official 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Appleyard]

Well, I think there are only 4 "legit" potential 1Cs and all 4 are likely to go top 10.

Celebrini
Catton
Lindstrom
Helenius

though maybe Luke Misa has a shot.

 

[BigToe]

Thought Eklund was eligible for this year. He’s actually a 2025 guy . There goes one of my favorites.

 

[Random Forest]

Well, I think there are only 4 "legit" potential 1Cs and all 4 are likely to go top 10.

Celebrini
Catton
Lindstrom
Helenius

though maybe Luke Misa has a shot.

Seems like a year where using draft capital to trade up may be worth serious consideration. If Briere is able to get a third 1st round pick for Seeler/Walker/Laughton, putting two of those together could conceivably put us in position to get one of the centers, while still retaining multiple 1sts.

 

[Appleyard]

Seems like a year where using draft capital to trade up may be worth serious consideration. If Briere is able to get a third 1st round pick for Seeler/Walker/Laughton, putting two of those together could conceivably put us in position to get one of the centers, while still retaining multiple 1sts.

The thing is that while this draft aint great for Cs...

it is fantastic for Dmen. Ofc if Flyers pick ~12-13, which is most likely, probably will be worth using a 2nd to go up ~3 spots. Given this draft has a clear top ~11-12 guys for me. Then might get someone like Helenius while also hopefully having 2x late 2nds after deadline to get some real talent from ~25-32, where should be some guys who are likely top 4 Dmen with upside (Kiviharju, Hutson) as well as a whole host of interesting wingers.

And 2025 is a very good draft for Cs if guys keep developing way they are.

 

[Rebels57]

The thing is that while this draft aint great for Cs...

it is fantastic for Dmen. Ofc if Flyers pick ~12-13, which is most likely, probably will be worth using a 2nd to go up ~3 spots. Given this draft has a clear top ~11-12 guys for me. Then might get someone like Helenius while also hopefully having 2x late 2nds after deadline to get some real talent from ~25-32, where should be some guys who are likely top 4 Dmen with upside (Kiviharju, Hutson) as well as a whole host of interesting wingers.

And 2025 is a very good draft for Cs if guys keep developing way they are.

This feels like the best case scenario. Trade up into top 10 if we are close enough and nab one of the top Centers if they are there. Then you still have the Florida pick to play with.

 

[Chinatown88]

The thing is that while this draft aint great for Cs...

it is fantastic for Dmen. Ofc if Flyers pick ~12-13, which is most likely, probably will be worth using a 2nd to go up ~3 spots. Given this draft has a clear top ~11-12 guys for me. Then might get someone like Helenius while also hopefully having 2x late 2nds after deadline to get some real talent from ~25-32, where should be some guys who are likely top 4 Dmen with upside (Kiviharju, Hutson) as well as a whole host of interesting wingers.

And 2025 is a very good draft for Cs if guys keep developing way they are.

Is Misa worth the Exceptional Status?

 

[Appleyard]

2025 is potentially fantastic at C:

James Hagens: He is better than Eiserman right now and would go top 5 in this draft if this good at a year older.
Michael Misa: 1.23 P/GP in OHL this year at 16... that is Wright/Seguin/Hall production. Kind of level where #1 contention.
Ivan Ryabkin: 1.14 P/GP in MHL this year at 16... not quite Michkov/Demidov level at same age... but better than Kucherov/Buchnevich
Anton Frondell: Better than Holtz, Raymond at same age. I guess Nylander is only recent Swedish fwd prospect who was clearly better at 16.

Adam Benak
Roger McQueen
Caleb Desnoyers (little brother alert)
William Moore
Jordan Gavin
Jake O'Brien
Ben Kindel

Those top 4 guys... all have the potential to really be franchise 1Cs.
The other 7? I guess that by draft year ~4 or so will be guys with likely 70+ point upside. Some may be more likely Ws at highest level though.

Is Misa worth the Exceptional Status?

He justified it last season... but this year has not quite kicked on as would expect. Still a very good prospect though.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

This feels like the best case scenario. Trade up into top 10 if we are close enough and nab one of the top Centers if they are there. Then you still have the Florida pick to play with.

I really desperately want us to get Demidov, then let him and Michkov play it out and see which one can play center. Or just get a center next year. Those two together would be fire.

If we can't get Demidov, I like Catton quite a bit. The size queens who make the decisions will gravitate toward Lindstrom I imagine, and I am positive they will fall for Iginla's son.

 

[Rebels57]

I really desperately want us to get Demidov, then let him and Michkov play it out and see which one can play center. Or just get a center next year. Those two together would be fire.

If we can't get Demidov, I like Catton quite a bit. The size queens who make the decisions will gravitate toward Lindstrom I imagine, and I am positive they will fall for Iginla's son.

Oh yeah that would be amazing, but unless the lottery balls fall in our favor I don't see us having a shot at Demidov or Catton.

 

[macleish1974]

I really desperately want us to get Demidov, then let him and Michkov play it out and see which one can play center. Or just get a center next year. Those two together would be fire.

If we can't get Demidov, I like Catton quite a bit. The size queens who make the decisions will gravitate toward Lindstrom I imagine, and I am positive they will fall for Iginla's son.

Great minds think alike.......;-))

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Oh yeah that would be amazing, but unless the lottery balls fall in our favor I don't see us having a shot at Demidov or Catton.

No, I know, but in a potential trade-up scenario I mean. These losers have f***ed us out of our customary 7OA.

 

[tictactoe]

ask a draft pick twice if he wants to play for the Flyers before drafting.

 

[Psuhockey]

The thing is that while this draft aint great for Cs...

it is fantastic for Dmen. Ofc if Flyers pick ~12-13, which is most likely, probably will be worth using a 2nd to go up ~3 spots. Given this draft has a clear top ~11-12 guys for me. Then might get someone like Helenius while also hopefully having 2x late 2nds after deadline to get some real talent from ~25-32, where should be some guys who are likely top 4 Dmen with upside (Kiviharju, Hutson) as well as a whole host of interesting wingers.

And 2025 is a very good draft for Cs if guys keep developing way they are.

I wonder if attaching Hart to the 12-13th pick can get the Flyers up to 6-7. If Ottawa’s first falls around there, I could see them being interested.

 

[BigToe]

I really desperately want us to get Demidov, then let him and Michkov play it out and see which one can play center. Or just get a center next year. Those two together would be fire.

If we can't get Demidov, I like Catton quite a bit. The size queens who make the decisions will gravitate toward Lindstrom I imagine, and I am positive they will fall for Iginla's son.

Demidov is the only guy I’d trade up for in the draft. Especially if he falls a bit. What’s wrong with Lindstrom and Iginla though? They’re both pretty good bb.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Demidov is the only guy I’d trade up for in the draft. Especially if he falls a bit. What’s wrong with Lindstrom and Iginla though? They’re both pretty good bb.

Nothing is wrong with them as far as I know, Toe - I'm just saying that the dinos drool over size, so we may be pulled in that direction whether or not there is someone better available. Iginla isn't that big, but it just plays into a narrative about NHL bloodlines that I don't like. (I do like that with the NFL - I don't know why there's a difference here, except that the whole notion of nepotism, even once removed as his dad played with a different org, puts me off.)

EDIT: Also, bring me Henry Mews. Meow.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Using Hart to just trade up to 6 or 7 feels dirty. How far off is he from returning that value outright?

 

[Psuhockey]

Using Hart to just trade up to 6 or 7 feels dirty. How far off is he from returning that value outright?

Looking at prior goalie trades and how often top ten picks are traded, I don’t see it happening.

Unfortunately by refusing to do a proper rebuild, I think the only way the Flyers get into the top 10 is by overpaying and taking huge risks.

 

[Random Forest]

Cory Schneider returned the 9th overall pick (Bo Horvat). Markets are always different, and goalie values don’t make any sense, but Hart + 12/13th seems way too much to move up six spots.

 

[Rebels57]

Using Hart to just trade up to 6 or 7 feels dirty. How far off is he from returning that value outright?

Let's get silly with it.

Konecny + Hart to Ottawa for Ridley Greig, their 2024 1st with no protection, and their 2025 1st

 

[Psuhockey]

Cory Schneider returned the 9th overall pick (Bo Horvat). Markets are always different, and goalie values don’t make any sense, but Hart + 12/13th seems way too much to move up six spots.

That trade was over 10 years ago.

I guess the better question is what team picking in the top 10 would view goalie as its most pressing need to get them into contention that would then be willing to move the pick straight up for a 25 year old with 1 rfa year left?

If you can’t come up with any teams that fit that mold (Ottawa is the only one I can think of), then what return are you expecting in a Hart trade?

 

[Random Forest]

That trade was over 10 years ago.

I guess the better question is what team picking in the top 10 would view goalie as its most pressing need to get them into contention that would then be willing to move the pick straight up for a 25 year old with 1 rfa year left?

If you can’t come up with any teams that fit that mold (Ottawa is the only one I can think of), then what return are you expecting in a Hart trade?

I know. There aren’t many examples of young, top goalies being traded for picks.

I don’t have any expectations for a Hart trade. Which is why I don’t think it’s a great idea to trade him.

 

[Psuhockey]

I know. There aren’t many examples of young, top goalies being traded for picks.

I don’t have any expectations for a Hart trade. Which is why I don’t think it’s a great idea to trade him.

That’s fine. I don’t think it’s a great idea to sign him long term for big money. This summer they have to make that decision.

 

[Appleyard]

I wonder if attaching Hart to the 12-13th pick can get the Flyers up to 6-7. If Ottawa’s first falls around there, I could see them being interested.

That would be a massive overpayment to move up 5-6 spots.

~12+28 should be enough in theory to get to 7.

Hart on his own in a trade would get a mid 1st+.

 

[Psuhockey]

That would be a massive overpayment to move up 5-6 spots.

~12+28 should be enough in theory to get to 7.

Hart on his own in a trade would get a mid 1st+.

I agree but you have to find a team that wants two firsts instead of the 7th. GMs seem reluctant to move out of the top 10 so I think the only way the Flyers can entice a team to do it is by overpaying.

 

[Magua]

I feel like we expend too much energy talking about trade-ups in the top 10 when they never happen. Was 2008 the last top 10 trade down for picks? At best, every several years on average, you're getting a team knowingly trading a 7-10 pick for NHL pieces. The rest are unprotected pick debacles 12 months in advance. NHL GMs have death grips on these picks.

Barring a once in a blue moon trade for a faller, I'm not even sure why pick consolidation is the preferred method right now. They have needs across the board. I'm taking as many shots as I can. From my viewings in the fall, I'm not even seeing "that guy" I'm spending multiple 1sts to acquire. Maybe I'll feel differently when I get back to watching, but see paragraph 1.