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[4thline]

Not saying he's not a decent player but he's nowhere near an 11 million dollar player anymore and it's debatable he ever was. We need the majority of that money to allocate to improving our defense.

Between Jul 1 2018 and opening day 2019 7 players signed for 10 million plus. In the 4 years since there has been a total of 5, 4 of which were signed in the last year.

It's almost like something happened that fundamental changed the availability of money and consequently depressed high end salaries (and overall salary growth) for several seasons.

Career ~55 point C Bo Horvat just got 8.5 by 8. 36 year old Kopitar just got 7.

 

[francis246]

Looks like we may see a new PP configuration experimented with in the pre-season

 

[NastyKnies]

Jake McCabe wearing 24 is just right.

 

[tmlfan98]

I don't think the forward lines stick mainly because I believe both Lafferty and Timmins are moved for picks at the end of camp to clear the remaining cap needed as opposed to just moving Jarnkrok like many others seem to think.

Lafferty has 23 goals in 210 career games and didn't even fit the team well once acquired from Chicago. Jarnkrok is money in the bank for 15-20 goals per 82 games with this team. Secondary scoring like that is not easily replaceable, especially for a 2M cap hit plus the swiss army knife type role Jarnkrok fills too.

In terms of replacing Timmins, don't be surprised if the Leafs look at moving a pick for a depth RHD who cleared waivers. Minor moves like this happen every year after the season starts. As for the lines, Keefe usually doesn't veer too far from what he starts camp with but at the same time he doesn't stick 100% with his day 1 lines either.

Below is my guess for what the roster (21-man if Lafferty and Timmins are the cap casualties) ends up looking like barring further unexpected LTIR injuries that happen in camp:

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Marner
Knies-Tavares-Jarnkrok
McMann-Domi-Nylander
Gregor-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Klingberg
Benoit-Liljegren
Giordano

Samsonov
Woll

 

[leafers]

Gotta find a way to put Holmberg in the lineup, too good not to be.

 

[Sypher04]

He or the team never said he was injured, never said he required off season medical help, he never mentioned it at camp opening. I do not believe he was hurt. As fir MM, stats show his average shot was 10 ft farther out than the season.

The highest goalscorer in the league since he entered doesn’t just forget how to shoot. The team never acknowledged it but it could not have been clearer

 

[frizzer1]

The highest goalscorer in the league since he entered doesn’t just forget how to shoot. The team never acknowledged it but it could not have been clearer

we will know in training camp. If his shot is like last year's then it means he has a chronic wrist injury and he will likely never be the superstar he has been.
Here's hoping.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Looks like we may see a new PP configuration experimented with in the pre-season

Odd choice to have Boucher run it, his favourite score is 1-0.

 

[Leafed]

I don't think the forward lines stick mainly because I believe both Lafferty and Timmins are moved for picks at the end of camp to clear the remaining cap needed as opposed to just moving Jarnkrok like many others seem to think.

Lafferty has 23 goals in 210 career games and didn't even fit the team well once acquired from Chicago. Jarnkrok is money in the bank for 15-20 goals per 82 games with this team. Secondary scoring like that is not easily replaceable, especially for a 2M cap hit plus the swiss army knife type role Jarnkrok fills too.

In terms of replacing Timmins, don't be surprised if the Leafs look at moving a pick for a depth RHD who cleared waivers. Minor moves like this happen every year after the season starts. As for the lines, Keefe usually doesn't veer too far from what he starts camp with but at the same time he doesn't stick 100% with his day 1 lines either.

Below is my guess for what the roster (21-man if Lafferty and Timmins are the cap casualties) ends up looking like barring further unexpected LTIR injuries that happen in camp:

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Marner
Knies-Tavares-Jarnkrok
McMann-Domi-Nylander
Gregor-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Klingberg
Benoit-Liljegren
Giordano

Samsonov
Woll

Let's take a break from trading/waiving Timmins. RHD with size, same age as Liljegren, 14 pts in 25 games last year, his first full offseason in years -- They shut him down last season to focus on his physical development. To put some mass and muscle on his frame. He shows up this pre-season + 14 lbs...

Let's see how he looks.

 

[francis246]

Odd choice to have Boucher run it, his favourite score is 1-0.

I think while coaching Tampa, they had one of the best PP’s. Stamkos credits Boucher for a lot of his offensive success

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Odd choice to have Boucher run it, his favourite score is 1-0.

Boucher is the coach that kind of was first in line to move the game to the 1-3-1 setup most teams use for their PP now. Just because he trapped as a Head Coach doesn't mean he doesn't know the offensive side of the game. He has always coached amazing PP's.

 

[3headeddragon]

I think while coaching Tampa, they had one of the best PP’s. Stamkos credits Boucher for a lot of his offensive success

Probably is able to break down defenses better because it is the type of game he coaches

 

[Niagara Bill]

The highest goalscorer in the league since he entered doesn’t just forget how to shoot. The team never acknowledged it but it could not have been clearer

Yes it could be clearer. Ya know Aaron Rodgers has a torn Achilles tendon, Aaron Judge had a broken toe, Tommy John had tendon surgery etc etc.
The player, the team and the press play all of us for suckers.
AM if he had a wrist should have made it clear in the off season...stop the speculation.
I for one say he was healthy, so do many others.

 

[Sypher04]

we will know in training camp. If his shot is like last year's then it means he has a chronic wrist injury and he will likely never be the superstar he has been.
Here's hoping.

I have to think the Leafs, given they have all his medical info, would never have extended him at 13.25M if there was that kind of immediate concern. Longevity maybe

Let's take a break from trading/waiving Timmins. RHD with size, same age as Liljegren, 14 pts in 25 games last year, his first full offseason in years -- They shut him down last season to focus on his physical development. To put some mass and muscle on his frame. He shows up this pre-season + 14 lbs...

Let's see how he looks.

Actually he’s up 21 lbs

 

[Sypher04]

Yes it could be clearer. Ya know Aaron Rodgers has a torn Achilles tendon, Aaron Judge had a broken toe, Tommy John had tendon surgery etc etc.
The player, the team and the press play all of us for suckers.
AM if he had a wrist should have made it clear in the off season...stop the speculation.
I for one say he was healthy, so do many others.

You can choose to bury your head in the sand if you so wish. He looked in the second round in particular like he did during lengthy stretches of the season where we know for fact he had a wrist injury. He also had a knee and back injury too, but I don’t see any specific evidence that either of those were issues in the playoffs.

 

[Avilaj07]

Yes it could be clearer. Ya know Aaron Rodgers has a torn Achilles tendon, Aaron Judge had a broken toe, Tommy John had tendon surgery etc etc.
The player, the team and the press play all of us for suckers.
AM if he had a wrist should have made it clear in the off season...stop the speculation.
I for one say he was healthy, so do many others.

Sure, let's come out and tell the league that our #1 player is playing with a nagging wrist injury. I'm sure the opposing players are going to ignore that and not slash and whack his wrist every chance they can. Brilliant thinking

 

[notbias]

11 million dollar 3C. That contract can’t end soon enough.

Glass half full or glass half empty?

PPG 3C sounds better to me...

Is one of those tired narratives that the Leafs spend too much cap on too few players all forwards and as a result can't generate enough offense from the supporting cast to win in the playoffs thus making them less Cup competitive?

Lets hope players like Bertuzzi, Domi, Knies and Klingberg can overcome that self inflicted poor salary cap management issue and do it this year because when Matthews, Nylander and Marner new raises all kick in the situation will get worse rather then better.

Top four scored ONE goal 5v5 in that series... that's your issue. We know via common sense alone the solution is not to pay those top 4 even more $$ and use up even more cap space in hopes they score more by making more. Going to be a tough sledding for another couple years,

Is it poor cap management if it can be overcome?

It is funny that you watch since the team can't win with their current cap allocation.

 

[notbias]

I don't think the forward lines stick mainly because I believe both Lafferty and Timmins are moved for picks at the end of camp to clear the remaining cap needed as opposed to just moving Jarnkrok like many others seem to think.

Lafferty has 23 goals in 210 career games and didn't even fit the team well once acquired from Chicago. Jarnkrok is money in the bank for 15-20 goals per 82 games with this team. Secondary scoring like that is not easily replaceable, especially for a 2M cap hit plus the swiss army knife type role Jarnkrok fills too.

In terms of replacing Timmins, don't be surprised if the Leafs look at moving a pick for a depth RHD who cleared waivers. Minor moves like this happen every year after the season starts. As for the lines, Keefe usually doesn't veer too far from what he starts camp with but at the same time he doesn't stick 100% with his day 1 lines either.

Below is my guess for what the roster (21-man if Lafferty and Timmins are the cap casualties) ends up looking like barring further unexpected LTIR injuries that happen in camp:

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Marner
Knies-Tavares-Jarnkrok
McMann-Domi-Nylander
Gregor-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Klingberg
Benoit-Liljegren
Giordano

Samsonov
Woll

No one needs to move... just have to run 11F 7D.

He or the team never said he was injured, never said he required off season medical help, he never mentioned it at camp opening. I do not believe he was hurt. As fir MM, stats show his average shot was 10 ft farther out than the season.

Did he and the team both confirm that he was injured, and he was wearing a hand wrap...

we will know in training camp. If his shot is like last year's then it means he has a chronic wrist injury and he will likely never be the superstar he has been.
Here's hoping.

Would be odd to sign that contract if there was a concern.

 

[ACC1224]

I do

we will know in training camp. If his shot is like last year's then it means he has a chronic wrist injury and he will likely never be the superstar he has been.
Here's hoping.

I doubt the Team would have tried to lock him up for 8 years if he had a chronic injury

 

[LeafChief]

Yes it could be clearer. Ya know Aaron Rodgers has a torn Achilles tendon, Aaron Judge had a broken toe, Tommy John had tendon surgery etc etc.
The player, the team and the press play all of us for suckers.
AM if he had a wrist should have made it clear in the off season...stop the speculation.
I for one say he was healthy, so do many others.

Why would he tell the media and fans that he had a nagging injury? What's the benefit?

This might sound crazy but the players don't care about HFboards and Twitter speculation.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Glass half full or glass half empty?

PPG 3C sounds better to me...



Is it poor cap management if it can be overcome?

It is funny that you watch since the team can't win with their current cap allocation.

It’s a nice luxury to have don’t get me wrong, especially if Willy doesn’t work at 2C which will likely be the case. I’m just looking forward to not having an 11 million AAV attached to JT. If his skating hasn’t deteriorated drastically in the next two years, I’d sign him again to a very team friendly deal.

Jake McCabe wearing 24 is just right.

His can openers/per 60 is about to go way up.

 

[DragoGrizzly]

Why would he tell the media and fans that he had a nagging injury? What's the benefit?

This might sound crazy but the players don't care about HFboards and Twitter speculation.

He did talk about the injury.

 

[Niagara Bill]

You can choose to bury your head in the sand if you so wish. He looked in the second round in particular like he did during lengthy stretches of the season where we know for fact he had a wrist injury. He also had a knee and back injury too, but I don’t see any specific evidence that either of those were issues in the playoffs.

What, between May and Sept they can't talk? BS they feed us, speculation only, you know nothing.
So if he can't shoot this year do you just say oh well, we paid 13.5m for a chronic I jury.

 

[LeafChief]

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He did talk about the injury.

In March.

We were discussing early season struggles related to the injury. One poster seems to think that people have simply made up the fact that he was injured.

 

[DragoGrizzly]

In March.

We were discussing early season struggles related to the injury. One poster seems to think that people have simply made up the fact that he was injured.

Exactly. I’m was supporting you saying he did talk about the injury that had been plaguing him all year. He went off for a bit in March then cooled off again. The injury wasn’t exactly hidden or never talked about.