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Who'd you pick????

I got an idea, or a little game I should say, for people who have the time to make a list. Say for instance you were the Rangers GM on the day of the draft. Using what picks the Rangers have now, narrow it down and select three players given with the 1 pick that you can see the Rangers choosing. Let's also say that we pick around #17, so let's not go all out making Ekblad or Reinhart picks. Be realistic. I'll make my list now if you're a bit confused...

So if I were the Rangers GM, I'd roughly select:

Round 1/No. 17: D: Julius Honka, LW: Nikita Scherbak, or C/RW: Alex Tuch

Honka is a good offensive defender who plays bigger than his 5'11"/174lbs frame. Is an all three zone defender and doesn't take any crap from anybody. He's a right handed shot which, as well as the offensive instinct on the back end, is a lack in this organization. Scherbak is a rookie this year in the WHL when he came over from Russia. No one knew anything about him at the start of the year, but he quickly turned heads as the hulking 6'2"/174lbs is more than a PPG player. He has a knack for physicality and loves the NA style game. Might have star potential with his unique play. Tuch is a big boy being 6'3"/216lbs. A typical power forward who skates exceptionally well for being a monster. He has a blistering righty shot and has a great forecheck. Committed to BC and born and raised in the state of NY, he's the typical Ranger pick.

Round 3/No. 77: C: Jayce Hawryluk, D: Adam Ollas Mattsson, or D: Nelson Nogier

Hawryluk is a dynamic player whose offensive instincts create effective plays. Small at 5'10"/185lbs, but can move through obstacles to get into the greasy areas to pot one home. Solid 3rd round pick. Ollas Mattsson is a huge defensive defender at 6'4/209lbs that is very impressive. Has a great stride and has supreme skillset in the defensive end. Speed is key and is a lefty shot. Has little to none offensive talent. Nogier is another big defender who has excellent mobility. At 6'2"/194lbs, he is what you expect out of a big man and that's physicality in his own end. Has good poise and is key in tight situations.

Round 4/No. 107: C/LW: Anders Bjork, C/RW: Pavel Jenys, or RW/LW: Hunter Smith

Bjork is a 5'11"/181lbs. American forward who played for the USNTDP this year. Has very good speed and defensive awareness. Penalty killer and a good two-way skillset. Committed to play for Notre Dame next year, is a solid choice in the 4th round. Jenys has great size and willingness to use it in corner battles as well as in front of the oppositions cage. Has a good shot that is both hard and accurate. Could work on touch passing and puck control, but at 6'2"/192lbs. and already playing in the Czech league, he's worth a shot at this spot. Smith is a 6'6"/209lbs. giant that will stand up for his teammates and drop the gloves. Has been having a huge playoffs for Oshawa right now and is showing that he can provide offense, too.

Round 5/No. 122 (From Florida): D: Ryan Rehill, C: Shane Gersich, or C: Pavel Kraskovsky

Rehill is a fast rising prospect who plays the shut down roll and loves to drop the mitts. He likes to resemble his style of play like Doug Murray of the Montreal Canadiens. At 6'3"/214lbs, he's a force on the back end and too bruising and punishing for the Rangers not to miss. Gersich is also fast rising and played for USNTDP program. He's a game breaker in his speed, agility, and first reaction plays. Also has a strong shot and actually might not be available by the 5th round. He's 5'11"/174lbs and is committed to play with the U of North Dakota next year. Kraskovsky is an interesting player. He might drop due to the Russian factor, but is a steal in the 5th. He is solid around the net and has pretty good defensive instincts. At 6'4"/187lbs., he's on the verge of being a KHLer, but no one knows if he'll come over to NA.

Round 6/No. 167: G: Igor Shestyorkin, C: Axel Holmstrom, or C/LW: Leon Bristedt

Shestyorkin is an extremely good goalie in the MHL in Russia, which is their top junior league. He's 6'0"/183lbs. and has room to grow. He'll most likely be in the KHL next year either starting or backing up with Spartak Moscow and was also reported earlier in the year that the Rangers were scouting him. Good option here to help our goaltending prospect pool and has time to develop. Holmstrom is an under the radar prospect that IMO a lot of people don't know about. He's over a PPG in the SuperElit and got a few games in the SHL as well. At 6'0/196lbs, he's a guy that I feel might bring it all together and could be another steal of a pick in the later rounds. He will most likely be on Skelleftea AIK next year, which is also where Oscar Lindberg excelled. Bristedt is small at 5'8"/183lbs, however he has a great story. He turned down an offer from his SHL team (Linkoping) to come overseas and be committed to play for the U of Minnesota (Skjei's team). Now he is no slouch. In fact, he posted 32 goals, 28 assists, and 60 points in only 43 games played for the Linkoping's J20 squad. He is a stud on the power play and likes to resemble his game after MSL. He is very good friends with potential 1st rounder Jakub Vrana. Look for him to have a good year with the Gophers.


Now again this is a rough sketch of what I think is good at these positions and picks. There are obviously more prospects available, but you can't grab them all so if you'd like to agree, voice a comment, or just have an honest discussion over this, please feel free to do so. Also if you're up to it, make your own list of three players you'd take at our picks. Just thought we could discuss a little more in depth of what talent NYR could snag at the draft. Thanks guys and please respond. :)
 
I really like Barbashev, he has more skill and size than Dubie at that age, but does he have the same grit? IDK.

No, but that doesn't concern me. Barbashev won't fight like Dubi, and is not as intensely physical as him.

I just love the fact that he can lay a crushing hit and it doesn't distract him from his offensive efforts. True throwback.
 
I got an idea, or a little game I should say, for people who have the time to make a list. Say for instance you were the Rangers GM on the day of the draft. Using what picks the Rangers have now, narrow it down and select three players given with the 1 pick that you can see the Rangers choosing. Let's also say that we pick around #17, so let's not go all out making Ekblad or Reinhart picks. Be realistic. I'll make my list now if you're a bit confused...

Now again this is a rough sketch of what I think is good at these positions and picks. There are obviously more prospects available, but you can't grab them all so if you'd like to agree, voice a comment, or just have an honest discussion over this, please feel free to do so. Also if you're up to it, make your own list of three players you'd take at our picks. Just thought we could discuss a little more in depth of what talent NYR could snag at the draft. Thanks guys and please respond. :)

A lot of good choices.

If I were being conservative:

Hawryluk doesn't get out of the top 60. Rehill doesn't get out of the top 90.

I liked Bjork a lot when I saw NTDP earlier in the winter. He was a very solid two way guy, but thought he really needed to develop into more of an offensive presence. He was third line material at the time and at the USHL level that's just not good enough for prospect status going into the draft.

Smith is the next Josh Anderson. Late 3rd, early 4th is a good spot for him unless a team really falls in love, which is not out of the question considering this draft. He's not a typical 6'6'' guy. He can keep up with some of Oshawa's more talented players. (After dealing with a gentle giant like Boyle) I like his potential as a punishing, monstrous forward.
 
Awful news, one of my fave prospects going into the '14 draft.

Hope he clears all tests, but thats the kind of 'injury' you can never forget.

i hope its not another Cherepanov type situation. still cant believe he would have been 25 already..
 
A lot of good choices.

If I were being conservative:

Hawryluk doesn't get out of the top 60. Rehill doesn't get out of the top 90.

I liked Bjork a lot when I saw NTDP earlier in the winter. He was a very solid two way guy, but thought he really needed to develop into more of an offensive presence. He was third line material at the time and at the USHL level that's just not good enough for prospect status going into the draft.

Smith is the next Josh Anderson. Late 3rd, early 4th is a good spot for him unless a team really falls in love, which is not out of the question considering this draft. He's not a typical 6'6'' guy. He can keep up with some of Oshawa's more talented players. (After dealing with a gentle giant like Boyle) I like his potential as a punishing, monstrous forward.

Agreed that Hawryluk would probably be taken in the late 2nd, early 3rd, but after this collapse, who knows if anyone would pick him now. Rehill I could see rising, but if he's still there at our early 5th then by all means pick him.

On Bjork. I agree with what you're saying, but I feel he's got a lot to prove when in college. I would think he'd be an all 4 year student with his development, but his defensive qualities are superb. I could definitely see us grabbing him due to that. Isn't Fogarty a defensive forward? I could see us taking the time to develop him. Hagelin was a 4 year project, too. I think at the 4th round and depending on who else is available, then try him out. Nothing to lose there, but thanks for the response.

Agreed with Smith.

I'm curious to see who'd you pick, if it were up to you.
 
Now again this is a rough sketch of what I think is good at these positions and picks. There are obviously more prospects available, but you can't grab them all so if you'd like to agree, voice a comment, or just have an honest discussion over this, please feel free to do so. Also if you're up to it, make your own list of three players you'd take at our picks. Just thought we could discuss a little more in depth of what talent NYR could snag at the draft. Thanks guys and please respond. :)

I like your list. I would subtract Honka and add Larkin to the 1st rounders. This assumes that Barbashev is not a realistic pick at 17, which he probably isn't. If Barbashev is there, I would have a tough time picking between him and the others. If he isn't, I'd ultimately choose between Scherbak and Larkin.

3rd rounders and later: Nogier is a good pick. Warren Foegele intrigues me, I like that he's going to a US college next year. I also like Daniel Muzito-Bagenda, although I'm not sure if he'll last to the 4th round pick if one of the aforementioned were taken in the 3rd.

What would you (or anyone else reading) think about using a later round pick on Blake Clarke?

I realize this has been a bad season for him. Call me an optimist, but maybe he just needs to put some time between himself and this season. He is skilled and, if he puts it together, could be a steal in the 4th/5th round. Plenty of maybes and ifs here. This would be a calculated risk, a real boom-bust pick. Is it worth it in the 5th round? To me, yes.

Similar question about Alexis Pepin.
 
I like your list. I would subtract Honka and add Larkin to the 1st rounders. This assumes that Barbashev is not a realistic pick at 17, which he probably isn't. If Barbashev is there, I would have a tough time picking between him and the others. If he isn't, I'd ultimately choose between Scherbak and Larkin.

3rd rounders and later: Nogier is a good pick. Warren Foegele intrigues me, I like that he's going to a US college next year. I also like Daniel Muzito-Bagenda, although I'm not sure if he'll last to the 4th round pick if one of the aforementioned were taken in the 3rd.

What would you (or anyone else reading) think about using a later round pick on Blake Clarke?

I realize this has been a bad season for him. Call me an optimist, but maybe he just needs to put some time between himself and this season. He is skilled and, if he puts it together, could be a steal in the 4th/5th round. Plenty of maybes and ifs here. This would be a calculated risk, a real boom-bust pick. Is it worth it in the 5th round? To me, yes.

Similar question about Alexis Pepin.

Larkin is a very good player and is a typical Ranger pick. He has an American born heart and is committed to the U of Michigan next year and will be teammates with Nieves. If Barbashev drops and is available by the time we pick, I hope the organiztion thinks hard about the pick because he's too solid to not pass up. They're both good picks with our 1st, but realistically and based off of what NYR's needs are as an organization, Honka makes too much sense. He's a right offensive minded shot on the back end that this club lacks. I wouldn't be upset if Larkin and Barbashev are taken with our pick, though.

Foegele is an interesting player. I could see teams picking him mid 2nd round to late 4th round. His choice going to college is most likely going to help his draft status, but I don't know much about him to be honest except that he is a point machine. I'm glad you mentioned Muzito-Bagenda. I was stuck in the later rounds with him and Kraskovsky. They're both solid two-way guys, the reason I chose Kraskovsky in the end, though, is for the simple fact that he'll most likely be playing in the KHL next year. But Muzito-Bagenda is a force and will most likely be playing in the SHL next year. Actually most mocks that I have looked at (and have been in myself) have him going in the 5th to 7th round. That'd be a steal to grab him then. IMO, I have a huge gut feeling that the Rangers are after him to pick.

In the 4th or 5th round, and depending on who's available, I would try Clarke or Pepin for sure. Both of them have had extremely underwhelming seasons, although Pepin picked it up as of late. The thing about Pepin is that he was extremely overweight and had dieting issues at the start of the season. He started losing that weight a bit, but it definitely was a factor to why he wasn't doing so hot. I think that the trade to Gatineau helped, as well. Clarke can play with a bit more edge, even though that's what he likes to do. His stats are not helping him at all, although I think he got a bit more confident in his play after the trade to Saginaw (but not like he was last year). If I were to choose between the two, I'd say Clarke because he is hard nosed and plays a solid north/south game and has that Duclair factor to regain his potential. Pepin has too much risk, IMO. Both realistically, I could see taken by late 3rds.

Thanks for responding, man. I hope my knowledge helped a bit. If you get a chance, I'm curious to who you'd select with our picks.
 
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Thanks for sparking this discussion. Your input is helpful, especially on later-round draft picks.

Larkin is a very good player and is a typical Ranger pick. He has an American born heart and is committed to the U of Michigan next year and will be teammates with Nieves. If Barbashev drops and is available by the time we pick, I hope the organiztion thinks hard about the pick because he's too solid to not pass up. They're both good picks with our 1st, but realistically and based off of what NYR's needs are as an organization, Honka makes too much sense. He's a right offensive minded shot on the back end that this club lacks. I wouldn't be upset if Larkin and Barbashev are taken with our pick, though.

I hear you regarding Honka. There is a definite organizational need for a true offensive D. Although McDonagh's offensive emergence is awesome, adding another pure offensive D to the organization would go a long way. However, I also think organizational center depth needs a significant upgrade.

I think there may be a solution that addresses both needs: adding quality center depth and a true offensive D without trading assets for additional picks. It is, however, fairly risky. If he's there, take Anthony DeAngelo in the 3rd round.

The pluses for DeAngelo address all of the Rangers' needs for an offensive D. Right-handed shot, good skater, good vision, good shot, good passer. The minuses are well-documented. Small, defensive liability, personal issues which have led to suspensions.

The Rangers have been leaning towards high character guys, so DeAngelo is likely not an option. But when you have limited choices, not just by fewer draft picks, but by a shallow draft pool for this particular type of player, you have to take some chances.

This was a kid that was being talked about as a 1st rounder earlier in the season. The talent is there, is it worth the risk? To me, yes.

Foegele is an interesting player. I could see teams picking him mid 2nd round to late 4th round. His choice going to college is most likely going to help his draft status, but I don't know much about him to be honest except that he is a point machine. I'm glad you mentioned Muzito-Bagenda. I was stuck in the later rounds with him and Kraskovsky. They're both solid two-way guys, the reason I chose Kraskovsky in the end, though, is for the simple fact that he'll most likely be playing in the KHL next year. But Muzito-Bagenda is a force and will most likely be playing in the SHL next year. Actually most mocks that I have looked at (and have been in myself) have him going in the 5th to 7th round. That'd be a steal to grab him then. IMO, I have a huge gut feeling that the Rangers are after him to pick.

I can't take credit for Muzito-Bagenda. I saw his name earlier in the season, but didn't really follow up on him until someone else mentioned him recently. I will always err on the side of drafting size that can play.

In the 4th or 5th round, and depending on who's available, I would try Clarke or Pepin for sure. Both of them have had extremely underwhelming seasons, although Pepin picked it up as of late. The thing about Pepin is that he was extremely overweight and had dieting issues at the start of the season. He started losing that weight a bit, but it definitely was a factor to why he wasn't doing so hot. I think that the trade to Gatineau helped, as well. Clarke can play with a bit more edge, even though that's what he likes to do. His stats are not helping him at all, although I think he got a bit more confident in his play after the trade to Saginaw (but not like he was last year). If I were to choose between the two, I'd say Clarke because he is hard nosed and plays a solid north/south game and has that Duclair factor to regain his potential. Pepin has too much risk, IMO. Both realistically, I could see taken by late 3rds.

It seems that my picks in this draft are riskier than usual. A couple of them are taking advantage of players whose stock has fallen for one reason or another.

Finally, these would be my picks:

1st: Larkin by the slightest margin over Scherbak

3rd: DeAngelo

4th: Clarke (If Clarke is gone, Hunter Smith. If Smith is gone, Pepin)

5th: Muzito-Bagenda

6th: There are a couple NCAA freshmen that I may try here. Zach Saar from Penn State is one. I've seen him several times this season, and he was increasingly impressive as the season wore on. He's huge (6'5" 235#) and skates well for a big man. He hits often, has a good motor, and his offensive side was coming along at the end of the season. He's an older freshman (20), but I think he's the type of pick where, even if his offense doesn't catch up to everything else, he'd still make the NHL in a bottom six role from his work ethic.

Nick Schilkey from Ohio State is another. I've also seen him several times this season. Although he is smaller, he has great hands and goes to the net. 13 goals in the Big Ten as a freshman is pretty good.

The idea behind using this pick on either of these players is pre-emptive, especially Saar. Saar has the look of a player who is about to break out. By this time next season, if things develop the right way for him, Saar would be one of the top collegiate UFA. Is it worth spending a 6th rounder to have exclusive rights to such a player? In this draft, I think so.
 
Thanks for sparking this discussion. Your input is helpful, especially on later-round draft picks.

No problem. I think it's cool to see who else we could look at more in depth in the later rounds rather than always hyping up the 1st rounders. Not saying that isn't fun, though. ;)

It seems that my picks in this draft are riskier than usual. A couple of them are taking advantage of players whose stock has fallen for one reason or another.

Finally, these would be my picks:

1st: Larkin by the slightest margin over Scherbak

3rd: DeAngelo

4th: Clarke (If Clarke is gone, Hunter Smith. If Smith is gone, Pepin)

5th: Muzito-Bagenda

6th: There are a couple NCAA freshmen that I may try here. Zach Saar from Penn State is one. I've seen him several times this season, and he was increasingly impressive as the season wore on. He's huge (6'5" 235#) and skates well for a big man. He hits often, has a good motor, and his offensive side was coming along at the end of the season. He's an older freshman (20), but I think he's the type of pick where, even if his offense doesn't catch up to everything else, he'd still make the NHL in a bottom six role from his work ethic.

Nick Schilkey from Ohio State is another. I've also seen him several times this season. Although he is smaller, he has great hands and goes to the net. 13 goals in the Big Ten as a freshman is pretty good.

The idea behind using this pick on either of these players is pre-emptive, especially Saar. Saar has the look of a player who is about to break out. By this time next season, if things develop the right way for him, Saar would be one of the top collegiate UFA. Is it worth spending a 6th rounder to have exclusive rights to such a player? In this draft, I think so.

Wouldn't mind Larkin at all there.

Although DeAngelo has significant lapses that need to be tended to, I still don't think he'll be in the 3rd round. He's early to mid 2nd, IMO, and even if he drops to the later part of that round, someone would steal him then or trade up to get him. Agreed on the Honka and DeAngelo segment you posted, though. Another guy worth noting here is Blake Siebenaler. He played on a not so good Niagara team in the OHL, but is excellent in the offensive zone. He reads the play well and makes crisp passes. He skates really well with the puck, too and is still discovering the defensive side of the game. He might rise to late 2nd, but in the 3rd round he'd be ideal.

If Clarke is available in the 4th, then yes. Same goes with Smith, but again we need to see what's available.

Liking Muzito-Bagenda, as well.

I don't know much about Saar, but from what you presented about him makes me a bit weary in the selection. At 20 years of age and being a freshman and not really putting up that many points makes me wonder about how he'll develop. Elite prospects has him listed at 6'4"/218lbs, but that's still pretty massive. I think making him work for attention from NHL scouts will provide him with a contract, but I don't think he's done that much to waste a pick on. This is another reason why teams have development programs for players like him to look at further. I'd much rather use that pick on a guy like Schilkey.

Hope some of this analysis helps.
 
Bayreuther should be available in the 4th or 5th round as an overager, he's a puck moving defenseman who put up a PPG at age 19 in the NCAA.

We'll see this upcoming year how he acclimates without the same offensive weapons playing with him.
 
No problem. I think it's cool to see who else we could look at more in depth in the later rounds rather than always hyping up the 1st rounders. Not saying that isn't fun, though. ;)



Wouldn't mind Larkin at all there.

Although DeAngelo has significant lapses that need to be tended to, I still don't think he'll be in the 3rd round. He's early to mid 2nd, IMO, and even if he drops to the later part of that round, someone would steal him then or trade up to get him. Agreed on the Honka and DeAngelo segment you posted, though. Another guy worth noting here is Blake Siebenaler. He played on a not so good Niagara team in the OHL, but is excellent in the offensive zone. He reads the play well and makes crisp passes. He skates really well with the puck, too and is still discovering the defensive side of the game. He might rise to late 2nd, but in the 3rd round he'd be ideal.

If Clarke is available in the 4th, then yes. Same goes with Smith, but again we need to see what's available.

Liking Muzito-Bagenda, as well.

I don't know much about Saar, but from what you presented about him makes me a bit weary in the selection. At 20 years of age and being a freshman and not really putting up that many points makes me wonder about how he'll develop. Elite prospects has him listed at 6'4"/218lbs, but that's still pretty massive. I think making him work for attention from NHL scouts will provide him with a contract, but I don't think he's done that much to waste a pick on. This is another reason why teams have development programs for players like him to look at further. I'd much rather use that pick on a guy like Schilkey.

Hope some of this analysis helps.

Saar is probably bigger than 6'4" 218. Hes got pretty good hands and skating ability for an absolute monster. I didn't think he'd be the type to get drafted, but the type that a lot of teams would look at in a couple years to sign as a 3rd/4th liner.
 
Put this up in contracts thread as well - but UMASS Lowell D - Christian Folin. Any chance we pick him up? Would be a good signing given any unforeseen contract issues with Staal and competition for J.Moore, McI, Skeij.
 
100% no on Pepin and Clarke.

Caught U-18 and Tuch was a completely different player. Very physical and imposing with slick hands and good skating.

Milano is on par with Scherbak IMO. He is 360* shifty with the puck and is not afraid to drive to the net hard. He's not small and finishes his alot of checks hard for a guy that Redline ranked as a C+ in physicality.
 
100% no on Pepin and Clarke.

Caught U-18 and Tuch was a completely different player. Very physical and imposing with slick hands and good skating.

Milano is on par with Scherbak IMO. He is 360* shifty with the puck and is not afraid to drive to the net hard. He's not small and finishes his alot of checks hard for a guy that Redline ranked as a C+ in physicality.

tuch is a climber. hes got some serious buzz right now and will be long gone pre 15. hes a load and a kid who can be a real good power forward ala kevin stevens and john leclaire. his shot is just scary hard. for a big kid his release is very quick and accurate. we wont get a sniff at him sadly unless we make some kinda draft day deal to move up.

milano is still a favorite of mine, hes just a dynamic player with high end skating and sublime vision. his hands are on par with anyone in this draft. hes just a very dangerous type kid. hes very hard to contain when he has the puck and can handle any defender and break him down. if he gets to your hip, he will make you look silly. like you said, hes not a real big guy but hes rock solid and tough as nails. hes also got some cockiness/confidence that i like. maybe its the long island attitude who knows but he interviews well, usndp program pedigree, and kid loves to play the game. would be very happy with this kid on the podium. local kid would make for an instant msg favorite. makes too much sense.
 
Bayreuther should be available in the 4th or 5th round as an overager, he's a puck moving defenseman who put up a PPG at age 19 in the NCAA.

We'll see this upcoming year how he acclimates without the same offensive weapons playing with him.
Agreed. Solid 5th rounder, IMO.

Saar is probably bigger than 6'4" 218. Hes got pretty good hands and skating ability for an absolute monster. I didn't think he'd be the type to get drafted, but the type that a lot of teams would look at in a couple years to sign as a 3rd/4th liner.

That's what I was assuming. Thanks for the input.

Put this up in contracts thread as well - but UMASS Lowell D - Christian Folin. Any chance we pick him up? Would be a good signing given any unforeseen contract issues with Staal and competition for J.Moore, McI, Skeij.

Signed with Minnesota last night.

100% no on Pepin and Clarke.

Caught U-18 and Tuch was a completely different player. Very physical and imposing with slick hands and good skating.

Milano is on par with Scherbak IMO. He is 360* shifty with the puck and is not afraid to drive to the net hard. He's not small and finishes his alot of checks hard for a guy that Redline ranked as a C+ in physicality.

I think Clarke could turn it around, but Pepin has lots of risk. Definitely would need to see our options, but I wouldn't want them either, IMO.

Tuch again would be an awesome pick, but agreed he'll rise.

Agreed with Milano, as well.
 
I love how in the year 2014, you still have scouts saying "if you didn't look at the name on the back of his sweater you'd swear he was a North American player" as a compliment.
 
Anyone that wants to pretend like there is no anti-Russian bias watch that video "he's not a typical Russian for me". Seriously, that whole video is a series of bigoted stereotypes about Russians and European players.
 
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