Proposal: Offer sheet Nick Robertson

[seanlinden]

Sometimes you have to accept that Nick Robertson is just not a top-6 quality forward. You already know he's not capable of a bottom 6 role. It is what it is. Nick has had plenty of opportunities and hasn't cashed in. That's on him. Comparing him to Cole Caufield is laughable. The comparison to make is to Kailer Yamamoto. And comparing his junior stats is irrelevant. At 23 years old, that is no longer relevant. KY has had a decent career to date. I am sure Nick may follow in his footsteps.

He's not right now... but the whole "Nick has had plenty of opportunities" arguement is extremely flawed.

He's been trying to crack a lineup on a very good team trying to win a cup. The lineup he's been trying to crack has 2 extremely expensive, skill-first, right wingers that thrive on the open ice -- the same "open ice" that Nick Robertson needs to thrive on.

He was, at one point this season, given a role that somewhat suited him with Max Domi in the middle, and proceeded to pace at 21 goals despite only playing 11:23/game and an average of :48 on the powerplay -- almost exclusively on the rarely used #2 unit.

Cole Caufield averaged 19:25/game, including 3:35 on the powerplay. That is nowhere near the realm of similar opportunity.

Sure, you're going to argue that Caufield has earned his opportunity and Robertson hasn't. It's a heck of a lot easier to earn opportunity when you're competing against Alex Newhook, Kirby Dach, Juraj Slafkovsky over Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner or William Nylander.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

He's not right now... but the whole "Nick has had plenty of opportunities" arguement is extremely flawed.

He's been trying to crack a lineup on a very good team trying to win a cup. The lineup he's been trying to crack has 2 extremely expensive, skill-first, right wingers that thrive on the open ice -- the same "open ice" that Nick Robertson needs to thrive on.

He was, at one point this season, given a role that somewhat suited him with Max Domi in the middle, and proceeded to pace at 21 goals despite only playing 11:23/game and an average of :48 on the powerplay -- almost exclusively on the rarely used #2 unit.

Cole Caufield averaged 19:25/game, including 3:35 on the powerplay. That is nowhere near the realm of similar opportunity.

Sure, you're going to argue that Caufield has earned his opportunity and Robertson hasn't. It's a heck of a lot easier to earn opportunity when you're competing against Alex Newhook, Kirby Dach, Juraj Slafkovsky over Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner or William Nylander.

Cole Caufield earned his icetime because he produced. Nick Robertson earned his lack of icetime because he did not produce.

That is the key point. Marner earned his icetime as a young player breaking into the league.

 

[HabsAddict]

He's not right now... but the whole "Nick has had plenty of opportunities" arguement is extremely flawed.

He's been trying to crack a lineup on a very good team trying to win a cup. The lineup he's been trying to crack has 2 extremely expensive, skill-first, right wingers that thrive on the open ice -- the same "open ice" that Nick Robertson needs to thrive on.

He was, at one point this season, given a role that somewhat suited him with Max Domi in the middle, and proceeded to pace at 21 goals despite only playing 11:23/game and an average of :48 on the powerplay -- almost exclusively on the rarely used #2 unit.

Cole Caufield averaged 19:25/game, including 3:35 on the powerplay. That is nowhere near the realm of similar opportunity.

Sure, you're going to argue that Caufield has earned his opportunity and Robertson hasn't. It's a heck of a lot easier to earn opportunity when you're competing against Alex Newhook, Kirby Dach, Juraj Slafkovsky over Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner or William Nylander.

That's why Toronto should keep him and build statues of him.

Meanwhile...GMs are not trading a 3rd for him. The chances of a 3rd round draft choice is 10% to make it in the NHL and they wont trade that for him.

That makes your comparison to CC laughable.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

That's why Toronto should keep him and build statues of him.

Meanwhile...GMs are not trading a 3rd for him. The chances of a 3rd round draft choice is 10% to make it in the NHL and they wont trade that for him.

That makes your comparison to CC laughable.

Are GM's not willing to trade a 3rd for him or are the Leafs saying no to trading him for a 3rd round pick? I like how you have just decided based on absolutely nothing that it is the former lol

 

[seanlinden]

Cole Caufield earned his icetime because he produced. Nick Robertson earned his lack of icetime because he did not produce.

That is the key point. Marner earned his icetime as a young player breaking into the league.

Yes he did. But Marner also earned his ice time on a team that was coming off a last place finish... on a team that was clearly rebuilding, and embracing that for them to become a good team, it was going to be on the shoulders of Marner, Matthews and Nylander just like Montreal embraces Caufield, Suzuki & Slafkovsky today.

The difference is, developing Nick Robertson over the last few years is well, well down on the Leafs priority list, and they have highly established forwards in the spots that Nick Robertson needs to develop in.

That's why Toronto should keep him and build statues of him.

Meanwhile...GMs are not trading a 3rd for him. The chances of a 3rd round draft choice is 10% to make it in the NHL and they wont trade that for him.

That makes your comparison to CC laughable.

Not at all. Toronto should have traded him a few years ago. It's been clear from the get-go that this team is going to revolve around the core 4, and you can't develop a guy like Robertson with those.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

big difference between pacing over a small sample and achieving. To date, he's barely secured a roster spot. He was in the AHL last season. Totally overrated by some Leaf fans.

He scored 14 goals in 56 games . That better ?

 

[HabsAddict]

Are GM's not willing to trade a 3rd for him or are the Leafs saying no to trading him for a 3rd round pick? I like how you have just decided based on absolutely nothing that it is the former lol

Leafs can ask for the moon...and get laughed at.

Have you seen any OS that can get him for a 3rd? Neither has anyone else.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Cole Caufield earned his icetime because he produced. Nick Robertson earned his lack of icetime because he did not produce.

That is the key point. Marner earned his icetime as a young player breaking into the league.

Who was he competing with for those minutes ? He was spoon fed opportunity. Opportunity that Robertson could only dream of. Now I agree that Caufield is better ; what I don’t agree with is that their situations/ deployments were remotely similar

Leafs can ask for the moon...and get laughed at.

Have you seen any OS that can get him for a 3rd? Neither has anyone else.

Probably because any rational thought would lead to the conclusion that it would be an easy match for such a low return .

 

[rojac]

If Robertson really wants off the Leafs, why would he sign an offer sheet unless it was one that he was absolutely sure the Leafs would not match? Because if the Leafs match an offer sheet, then Robertson is stuck with the Leafs for another season because he could not be traded for a year.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Leafs can ask for the moon...and get laughed at.

Have you seen any OS that can get him for a 3rd? Neither has anyone else.

lmao are you really trying to use him not being signed to an offer sheet as proof he isn't worth a 3rd round pick? Because offer sheets happen sooo often right? Take a lap.

 

[jfhabs]

Who was he competing with for those minutes ? He was spoon fed opportunity. Opportunity that Robertson could only dream of. Now I agree that Caufield is better ; what I don’t agree with is that their situations/ deployments were remotely similar


Probably because any rational thought would lead to the conclusion that it would be an easy match for such a low return .

There's 9 months separating them, both drafted in 2019, and Caufield has 115 more NHL points. Why are they even mention in the same sentence?

At this point they only comparable is they are both small.
If Caufield was drafted by the Leafs in 2019 you can rest assured he'd be playing on your top 6 for the past 2-3 seasons.

 

[HabsAddict]

Probably because any rational thought would lead to the conclusion that it would be an easy match for such a low return

Everyone knows the Leafs have 875k in cap space so they can only match if they cut someone.

Yet no OS for a 3rd.

Just the facts...

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Everyone knows the Leafs have 875k in cap space so they can only match if they cut someone.

Yet no OS for a 3rd.

Just the facts...

The fact is that the Leafs can go 10 percent over the cap in the offseason so yes , they can easily match and make a subsequent move .

Facts #

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Who was he competing with for those minutes ? He was spoon fed opportunity. Opportunity that Robertson could only dream of. Now I agree that Caufield is better ; what I don’t agree with is that their situations/ deployments were remotely similar


Probably because any rational thought would lead to the conclusion that it would be an easy match for such a low return .

If roles were reversed there would be no change in outcome. Cole is a top line forward and Nick is barely an NHLer. That’s just the quality difference in the players. Nick just doesn’t have it. He was born that way! Ksara sara. A kuna matata. C’est la vie!

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Everyone knows the Leafs have 875k in cap space so they can only match if they cut someone.

Yet no OS for a 3rd.

Just the facts...

The fact the idea that Robertson has chosen not to sign an offer sheet hasn't crossed your mind is slightly concerning tbh or that a team would be willing to trade a 3rd for him but wouldn't want to trade a 3rd and pay him over 2 million a year. Or...you know...offer sheets are incredibly rare and most teams just don't do them lol

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

The fact the idea that Robertson has chosen not to sign an offer sheet hasn't crossed your mind is slightly concerning tbh or that a team would be willing to trade a 3rd for him but wouldn't want to trade a 3rd and pay him over 2 million a year. Or...you know...offer sheets are incredibly rare and most teams just don't do them lol

Nope the only conclusion possible is that he’s worthless …..

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Nope the only conclusion possible is that he’s worthless …..

"Nobody has put an offer sheet in on Swayman, guess he isn't worth anything!!" Smooth brains.

 

[HabsAddict]

The fact the idea that Robertson has chosen not to sign an offer sheet hasn't crossed your mind is slightly concerning tbh or that a team would be willing to trade a 3rd for him but wouldn't want to trade a 3rd and pay him over 2 million a year. Or...you know...offer sheets are incredibly rare and most teams just don't do them lol

Are you in telepathic communications and you know that Robertson has chosen not to sign an OS?

OR is it that no one has bothered?

He wants to be traded, of course he'll sign an OS and go to a team that wants him.

Think it through....

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Are you in telepathic communications and you know that Robertson has chosen not to sign an OS?

OR is it that no one has bothered?

He wants to be traded, of course he'll sign an OS and go to a team that wants him.

Think it through....

Lmao you are the one making assumptions to support your point of view here my guy not me.

 

[Joe n]

There's 9 months separating them, both drafted in 2019, and Caufield has 115 more NHL points. Why are they even mention in the same sentence?

At this point they only comparable is they are both small.
If Caufield was drafted by the Leafs in 2019 you can rest assured he'd be playing on your top 6 for the past 2-3 seasons.

Ahead of Marner or ahead of Nylander?

 

[jfhabs]

Ahead of Marner or ahead of Nylander?

Neither, but he's next in line after the Leafs top 4 forwards

 

[Stephen]

Leafs can ask for the moon...and get laughed at.

Have you seen any OS that can get him for a 3rd? Neither has anyone else.

I think you’re missing the big picture here, and that is the Leafs are in control of the situation. They don’t have to react to the trade request and can field an offer sheet threat if and when it comes and deal with it by assessing whether they want to match or move off another contract because they prefer Robertson (or not). Robertson is a fairly marginal asset despite the huffing and puffing from his side and whatever dollar amount that gets attached to his next contract is going to be peanuts.

 

[Joe n]

Neither, but he's next in line after the Leafs top 4 forwards

I don't care about Robrertson one way or the other but if they were drafted by the other team, Caufield would not have as many games played or points right now.

 

[seanlinden]

There's 9 months separating them, both drafted in 2019, and Caufield has 115 more NHL points. Why are they even mention in the same sentence?

At this point they only comparable is they are both small.
If Caufield was drafted by the Leafs in 2019 you can rest assured he'd be playing on your top 6 for the past 2-3 seasons.

Really?

Which of Marner or Nylander was he going to "bump down" over the last 2-3 years?

 

[HabsAddict]

I think you’re missing the big picture here, and that is the Leafs are in control of the situation. They don’t have to react to the trade request and can field an offer sheet threat if and when it comes and deal with it by assessing whether they want to match or move off another contract because they prefer Robertson (or not). Robertson is a fairly marginal asset despite the huffing and puffing from his side and whatever dollar amount that gets attached to his next contract is going to be peanuts.

I actually don't give a flying squirrel about Robertson, i just got involved when he was compared to CC.

He IS a marginal asset but try to convince his newly minted fan base. He's going to accept his 875k and be happy. Or KHL...