Proposal: Offer sheet Nick Robertson

[Joe n]

Not if he never gets the opportunity... which is the exact point. Caufield entered the NHL and was instantly on the #1 powerplay unit. He remained there as Montreal not only recognized that they need him to develop, but had pretty poor options around him.

Players don't magically develop with age. It's experience, confidence, opportunity. etc.

Caufield would have never got the opportunity he did as a rookie in Montreal if he had been drafted by Toronto... and without that opportunity as a rookie, he likely would not have "developed" into the player he is today.



Not sure if you're serious or not... but Marner went off for 35 goals that year as a pass-first player.

It's also not Marner he'd have been competing with for a spot, it'd be Matthews or Nylander, who've always been the triggermen on the Leafs PP. Caufield's a shooter.

Sarcasm.

 

[LeProspector]

He’s not good enough for an offer sheet lol

 

[Junohockeyfan]

You guys keep saying this... but with no actual argument to back it up.

Do you think any reasonable coach is going to put together a #1 powerplay unit comprised of 3 shooters up front?

Is a reasonable coach going to say, "yeah, let's take John Tavares, who's got an excellent set of hands around the net, and apt at screening goalies / deflecting pucks, off the powerplay so we can put a kid who's 5'8 170lbs in that spot"? I think not. That's some of the toughest ice in hockey.

Is a reasonable coach going to say "yeah, let's take Auston Matthews, the league's reigning rocket winner (by a wide margin), who happens to posess what is probably the league's best wrist shot, off the wing of the powerplay and put him where he's going to get hacked, so that we can develop a young guy?" I think not.

Is a reasonable coach going to say "yeah, let's take William Nylander, who also has a great distance shot, off the other wing to make room for this kid?" again, I think not.

We can go on as to why he'd be a piss poor replacement for Rielly or Marner at the top... but I think I've made my point.

Don't get me wrong, the Leafs PP is far from perfect and definitely too predictable... but Cole Caufield, Nick Robertson, adding one of those guys isn't the answer.

The way you're talking about Caufield it's like he's the 2nd coming of McDavid, that he's somehow instantly going to go from College and beat out, on a pure-merit basis, legitimate NHL stars in their mid 20s. That's just not realistic for any player but a special few.

It's one thing to do what Montreal did; as a bad team, give him a longer leash than a guy like Tyler Toffoli. You know you're not winning anything with Toffoli, so even if Caufield's maybe not quite as good, you give him the opportunity because you know that Caufield is important to the long term future of the club and Toffoli is just "there".

It's another to suggest that Toronto should deprioritize the use of their 23-25 year old star players, when they're trying to win a cup, so that they can develop Nick Robertson.

Let's not forget, Coel Caufield managed to be a -24 his rookie year, amongst the team-worst; and I'm assuming he got a fair bit of favourable matchups / ozone starts. You think Toronto would continue to give him all that ice time with being that poor defensively???

No argument to back up? CC is a top line forward and Nick is barely an NHLer. He was in the AHL last season for a portion. Those are facts. That’s the evidence. All you have are excuses for why Nick has sucked to date!

 

[Joe n]

No argument to back up? CC is a top line forward and Nick is barely an NHLer. He was in the AHL last season for a portion. Those are facts. That’s the evidence. All you have are excuses for why Nick has sucked to date!

You don't seem to understand what he is saying. He's asking if Caufield was drafted by the Leafs would he take Marner of Nylander's spot in the lineup? More likely, he would have had a hard time cracking the lineup and would have the same thing happen where he is up and down from the AHL to the NHL when there are injuries.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I think CC would have more points playing with prime Tavares or Matthews vs Suzuki who was a developing player.

Has Robertson got any significant time wirh either of them?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

You don't seem to understand what he is saying. He's asking if Caufield was drafted by the Leafs would he take Marner of Nylander's spot in the lineup? More likely, he would have had a hard time cracking the lineup and would have the same thing happen where he is up and down from the AHL to the NHL when there are injuries.

He may have played along side of them. May have opened up a trade opportunity to allow the Leafs to fix the blueline. Or he may supplant them. Leafs may have won a cup by now! No one knows.

All we know is Nick sucks. He’s barely an NHler.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

He may have played along side of them. May have opened up a trade opportunity to allow the Leafs to fix the blueline. Or he may supplant them. Leafs may have won a cup by now! No one knows.

All we know is Nick sucks. He’s barely an NHler.

Why would the leafs want to generate less offense (Caufield cant even score 30 goals, even Mitch 'Muffin' Marner can shoot well enough to score 35 ) and become worse defensively while also somehow becoming smaller and weaker?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Why would the leafs want to generate less offense (Caufield cant even score 30 goals, even Mitch 'Muffin' Marner can shoot well enough to score 35 ) and become worse defensively while also somehow becoming smaller and weaker?

Worse offensively than the likes of Knies and Domi? lol

This isn’t a “what if CC was a Leaf” scenario. He’s not a Leaf. This is a Nick is barely an NHler discussion. Cole Caufield has no bearing on it. I have no idea why you guys keep comparing Nick to Cole. Compare Nick to Kailer Yamamoto. Rotten Apples to apples…

 

[Joe n]

Worse offensively than the likes of Knies and Domi? lol

This isn’t a “what if CC was a Leaf” scenario. He’s not a Leaf. This is a Nick is barely an NHler discussion. Cole Caufield has no bearing on it. I have no idea why you guys keep comparing Nick to Cole. Compare Nick to Kailer Yamamoto. Rotten Apples to apples…

Again, unless he can go in the corner and retrieve pucks he would be useless on the top 2 lines. If he made the team it would have been on the 3rd line.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Worse offensively than the likes of Knies and Domi? lol

This isn’t a “what if CC was a Leaf” scenario. He’s not a Leaf. This is a Nick is barely an NHler discussion. Cole Caufield has no bearing on it. I have no idea why you guys keep comparing Nick to Cole. Compare Nick to Kailer Yamamoto. Rotten Apples to apples…

Without a doubt worse offensively than Marner and Nylander (the position Caufield would be competing for to get into the top 6) but also much much worse defensively than Marner, much less physical and powerful than Nylander and wouldnt fit with either JT (Too slow to cover up for CC's defensive deficiancies) or AM34 (the best in the world at the one thing CC is elite at).

Caufield might score more goals than Mitch one day but he wouldn't be able to supplant either him or Nylander, much less in his first couple seasons in the league while they are in their prime.

Knies serves a different purpose, plays the left wing and he's about 6'3, 220 pounds and fits in with either top 6 center.

Would love to watch the competition between CC, Robertson, bobby Mcmann and Nikita Grebyonkin, Domi, etc but they are all left handed players battling for a left handed position.

CC would be a righty trying to force himself off wing into a lineup that doesn't need him.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Without a doubt worse offensively than Marner and Nylander (the position Caufield would be competing for to get into the top 6) but also much much worse defensively than Marner, much less physical and powerful than Nylander and wouldnt fit with either JT (Too slow to cover up for CC's defensive deficiancies) or AM34 (the best in the world at the one thing CC is elite at).

Caufield might score more goals than Mitch one day but he wouldn't be able to supplant either him or Nylander, much less in his first couple seasons in the league while they are in their prime.

Knies serves a different purpose, plays the left wing and he's about 6'3, 220 pounds and fits in with either top 6 center.

Would love to watch the competition between CC, Robertson, bobby Mcmann and Nikita Grebyonkin, Domi, etc but they are all left handed players battling for a left handed position.

CC would be a righty trying to force himself off wing into a lineup that doesn't need him.

He plays mostly left wing on the habs, Slaf is on the right side. They both seem to play their opposite side.

 

[seanlinden]

No argument to back up? CC is a top line forward and Nick is barely an NHLer. He was in the AHL last season for a portion. Those are facts. That’s the evidence. All you have are excuses for why Nick has sucked to date!

Yes he is... on one of the worst teams in the league. He & Robertson attempted to break into the league around the same time... obviously their career trajectories have been different, but you'd have to be a fool to not consider some of the factors as to why their career trajectories have been different. Yes, Caufield's likely a better player, but the reality is, it was a heck of a lot easier for a small shoot-first winger to earn meaningful development minutes in Montreal's lineup versus Toronto's.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

He plays mostly left wing on the habs, Slaf is on the right side. They both seem to play their opposite side.

That is a different team, not that it would matter. He cant play with JT and he wouldnt fit with Matthews so he would have to be a great 3rd liner, which would likely be possible if Domi was his center. Not a massive difference in playmaking between Domi and Suzuki (Suzuki is obviously a better player all around) so Caufield would still be able to flirt with his 25 goals there.

But he doesn't fit and wouldnt have even been given a chance to make Toronto, much like most other perennial playoff teams. Similar to how Robertson wouldn't have much competition making the Habs roster the past couple seasons because they have been a bottom of the barrel, lottery team.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Has Robertson got any significant time wirh either of them?

Has he earned any?

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Why are Leafs fans babbling about how Caufield fits on the Leafs roster? Nothing to do with Nick Robertson. Robertson is not even in the same league as Caufield and will be out of the league in 2 years

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Why are Leafs fans babbling about how Caufield fits on the Leafs roster? Nothing to do with Nick Robertson. Robertson is not even in the same league as Caufield and will be out of the league in 2 years

They are both in the NHL, that means they are literally in the same league.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

They are both in the NHL, that means they are literally in the same league.

Not in the same league skillwise or potential, but you already knew that and decided to be pedantic. This is a thread about why Nick Robertson sucks, not Caufield.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Not in the same league skillwise or potential, but you already knew that and decided to be pedantic. This is a thread about why Nick Robertson sucks, not Caufield.

The "offer sheet nick robertson" thread is in fact about a potential offersheet to Robertson.

You clearly didn't know that, just like you dont know "NHL" stands for National Hockey League.

The League part being where both Caufield and Robertson play, the same league with Mcdavid, Crosby and Ryan Reeves.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

The "offer sheet nick robertson" thread is in fact about a potential offersheet to Robertson.

You clearly didn't know that, just like you dont know "NHL" stands for National Hockey League.

The League part being where both Caufield and Robertson play, the same league with Mcdavid, Crosby and Ryan Reeves.

What? Get back on track.

 

[Golden_Jet]

They are both in the NHL, that means they are literally in the same league.

By the wording I took it as not the same level player. A word can mean more than one thing.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

No one is offer sheeting a hobbit who can't skate and only passable NHL skill is shooting but will never be able to get into positions to shoot. There is a reason he only gets 10 minutes a game. Watch him play.

Maybe Dallas will do his brother a solid and bring him in for brownie points.

 

[Joe n]

"get on track"

immediately throws childish insults out there because you get too emotional talking about the leafs


You always crack me up.

I thought that comment was about Caufield

 

[Namikaze Minato]

I thought that comment was about Caufield

It is bold to talk about Caufield and Robertson and refer to the taller, heavier one as a Hobbit. Though I suppose they are just in the same league, size wise.

 

[TS Quint]

Robertson likely ends up in Russia. Let him prove something over there and he may have some value.
Leaf fans should have learned their lesson after they hyped Bracco so much. No one was getting fooled that Bracco had any value and no should be fooled that Robertson has shown enough to have any real value.

Indeed what most Leaf fans truly want is any offer sheet not to be matched so they can get something of value for Robertson. If they thought Robertson had value they'd want the offer sheet to be matched which clearly they don't.

No one with two brain cells to rub together is going to the KHL.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Without a doubt worse offensively than Marner and Nylander (the position Caufield would be competing for to get into the top 6) but also much much worse defensively than Marner, much less physical and powerful than Nylander and wouldnt fit with either JT (Too slow to cover up for CC's defensive deficiancies) or AM34 (the best in the world at the one thing CC is elite at).

Caufield might score more goals than Mitch one day but he wouldn't be able to supplant either him or Nylander, much less in his first couple seasons in the league while they are in their prime.

Knies serves a different purpose, plays the left wing and he's about 6'3, 220 pounds and fits in with either top 6 center.

Would love to watch the competition between CC, Robertson, bobby Mcmann and Nikita Grebyonkin, Domi, etc but they are all left handed players battling for a left handed position.

CC would be a righty trying to force himself off wing into a lineup that doesn't need him.

The only thing we know is CC is a top line winger and Nick is barely an NHLer. No amount of your excuses changes those facts.