Value of: Offensive Forwards to Minnesota

[Pinto Bean]

One fan doesn't mean our gm wants this. This fan is upset Minnesota is losing. Nothing more. Not a single report any of this are even realistic. Fans vent, nothing more. A gm like Guerin isn't trading his players he just gave extensions to and let fiala go because he's saving money for kaprizov.

The same can be said about your opinion. It's just one fan. No one knows what the management is thinking, Middleton is being played the 4th most amongst Wild defensemen and just a couple seconds more then the #5 guy (Addision) so I'm skeptical if a #4-5 dman on your team is the hold up for a scorer of DeBrincat's stature.

I would much prefer the Sens just sign DeBrincat but Ottawa has the opposite problem. We have enough scorers and not enough positively impactful defensemen.

 

[Sebastien]

The same can be said about your opinion. It's just one fan. No one knows what the management is thinking, Middleton is being played the 4th most amongst Wild defensemen and just a couple seconds more then the #5 guy (Addision) so I'm skeptical if a #4-5 dman on your team is the hold up for a scorer of DeBrincat's stature.

I would much prefer the Sens just sign DeBrincat but Ottawa has the opposite problem. We have enough scorers and not enough positively impactful defensemen.

Minnesota can't keep fiala due to their cap, and same with alex. It would just be a rental , and nothing more. With all due respect

 

[koteka]

You need to find a young guy that doesn’t cost much, has some offensive talent, and just isn’t a good fit on his current team. Until you work through your cap issues, don’t go looking for someone that costs too much.

The Jackets have a bunch of wings, so Emil Bemstrom is kind of the odd man out. He had a 900k cap hit this year and next and then is RFA. He has a nice shot and plays a defensively responsible game.

To me Bemstrom is the kind of guy that can be a cheap middle 6 forward on a good team, but he doesn’t really fit on a bad team.

 

[AHLdepth]

Take Dermott and the 2023 1st out and it’s much closer.

Chalk me up as a Van fan who would be down for Boeser for Dumba as a base trade.

I don't like it, I don't want to do it, but if Dumba returns to any part of the form he had then it's a good reshuffling of assets, and if he doesn't, then his contract is up first so helps us solve some cap issues.

From the human side of it I feel like sending Boeser home to Minnesota would do a world of good for him. I'm confident he'd regain some of the shooting form he showed when he was younger, and even if not he's likely still a consistent 25 goal guy (more if you make plays for him).

 

[McJedi]

Is that cause the Oilers have lost 6 straight to the Wild? Or is it because the Wild have dominated the Oilers since 2005?


Take Dermott and the 2023 1st out and it’s much closer.

Ok. Great. glad Minnesota owns the oilers like the Blues own the Wild. Congratulations on that.

Minnesota should totally trade Dumba for Boeser’s bad contract. Lock in another bad contract with term. Let Vancouver then rent Dumba for a first at the deadline.

the Wild can buyout Boeser in a year or two. wins all around.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Probably not. And it's not for lack of performance. He's been really good this year and has been producing at an impressive rate. His goal scoring is down early on but his shooting percentage is at like 5% so statistically, the goals should start coming once his shooting percentage comes back to normal standards (around 15%).

The issue is that the Sens will have some serious cap issues if they re-sign DeBrincat. We already have so much money tied up in forwards (Tkachuk, Norris, Stutzle, Giroux, and Batherson) that adding another massive forward contract to the mix makes the rest of our team thin.

The Sens need to start allocating more money towards the Defence. We also need to re-sign Pinto, Zub, and Sanderson to significant raises. Giving a winger 9M just means that we won't be able to improve the other areas of the team that are of more importance.

So yea, I'm totally down to trade DeBrincat for some defensive help and future cap flexibility to improve the defensive core.

Yeah… if Debrincat wants $9M then Minnesota isn’t the right destination. They wouldn’t give Fiala $8M and personally, I think Fiala is a better player than Debrincat.

Minnesota let's fiala go because of what he's asking. Their gm isn't going to turn around and trade Jacob Middleton who he resigned to 3 years deal and more for a player he won't keep

I feel like you could find a way to turn down McDavid for Middleton. Middleton is a nothing defenseman. No offense. Some defense. Some physicality.

It is his shtick. Throw some middling to low assets of unreasonable amounts and ask for a good piece in return. He does it only to get a rise out of other posters.

It's almost funny once in awhile with antagonistic fan bases. However, that doesn't describe the Minny fan base.

However, if Horvat was in play, that 2023 1st would 100% have to be part of it. Not so for Boeser or Garland.

If Horvat is pulling the 23’ 1st from Minnesota, he will need to have an extension agreed to before the trade. The Wild can’t toss a 1st rounder for a rental.

Ok. Great. glad Minnesota owns the oilers like the Blues own the Wild. Congratulations on that.

Minnesota should totally trade Dumba for Boeser’s bad contract. Lock in another bad contract with term. Let Vancouver then rent Dumba for a first at the deadline.

the Wild can buyout Boeser in a year or two. wins all around.

Idk what your deal is, but I feel like you haven’t watched Dumba in 4-5 years. Minnesota could easily pay a third team to retain on Boeser.

Dumba won’t get a 1st at the deadline lmao.

 

[AKL]

Idk what your deal is, but I feel like you haven’t watched Dumba in 4-5 years. Minnesota could easily pay a third team to retain on Boeser.

Dumba won’t get a 1st at the deadline lmao.

The point is that Boeser is just the forward version of Dumba right now, but getting paid 6.65M for two more years, unlike Dumba's whose money is off the books in 6 months.

If you're okay with that risk and think you can find a team to retain for an agreeable price, so be it, but that's what you're walking into. This isn't the Dumba from 2018, but neither is this the Boeser you remember from his first few years.

 

[jd22]

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If Horvat is pulling the 23’ 1st from Minnesota, he will need to have an extension agreed to before the trade. The Wild can’t toss a 1st rounder for a rental.
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Fair enough. Though I don't think just the first is enough at that point, assuming it's top 10 protected. Given it would probably be somewhere in the 11-22 range.

Just my opinion.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Fair enough. Though I don't think just the first is enough at that point, assuming it's top 10 protected. Given it would probably be somewhere in the 11-22 range.

Just my opinion.

I think that any Horvat trade to Minnesota should have an extension. But it’s absolutely critical if they trade the 2023 1st. The 2023 1st round is projecting to have something like 14-17 centers drafted. For a team like Minnesota, I’m not sure it’d be a good idea to pass that up without some form of multi year gain.

 

[Digitalbooya]

The point is that Boeser is just the forward version of Dumba right now, but getting paid 6.65M for two more years, unlike Dumba's whose money is off the books in 6 months.

If you're okay with that risk and think you can find a team to retain for an agreeable price, so be it, but that's what you're walking into. This isn't the Dumba from 2018, but neither is this the Boeser you remember from his first few years.

I’d say Boeser has a much better chance of rebounding than Dumba. Could be a low risk high reward pickup. If Boeser was performing really well, he wouldn’t be available.

 

[AKL]

I’d say Boeser has a much better chance of rebounding than Dumba. Could be a low risk high reward pickup. If Boeser was performing really well, he wouldn’t be available.

Based on what?

 

[Digitalbooya]

Based on what?

His down year had more to do with a death in his family and playing for the Wild he would be a lot closer to home. Dumba’s problem is physical after the Tkachuk fight years ago.

 

[Gecklund]

Timo for picks and prospects

 

[Pinto Bean]

Yeah… if Debrincat wants $9M then Minnesota isn’t the right destination. They wouldn’t give Fiala $8M and personally, I think Fiala is a better player than Debrincat.

Yep thats fair. Inevitably, I think DeBrincat deserves an 8-9M contract but when you have a team that has Tkachuk, Norris, and Stutzle already making 8M to go along with a few other higher priced forwards it just wouldn't be wise IMO to throw another 8M+ at a winger (albeit a very good one).

 

[Kingspiracy]

Any interest in Arvidsson from LA?

 

[Digitalbooya]

Timo for picks and prospects

What kind of contract is he looking for and what kind of package of picks/prospects would you expect in a trade?

 

[Gecklund]

What kind of contract is he looking for and what kind of package of picks/prospects would you expect in a trade?

8-9 by 8 would be my guess. Devils fans have agreed to a Holtz+1st package so something similar. Rossi+1st would be my starting point.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Boeser makes too much sense, but dumba is basically just cap. I'd want Beckman and a 2nd/3rd.

Brock is a 60+ pt winger in minny, close to his family where he can get his head back on straight.

 

[biturbo19]

His down year had more to do with a death in his family and playing for the Wild he would be a lot closer to home. Dumba’s problem is physical after the Tkachuk fight years ago.

Yeah. This is why a Boeser/Dumba swap just doesn't make sense to me. There would have to be something else as well.


Dumba is a guy i don't see any way the Canucks could (or should) afford to pay as an impending UFA. A fairly "toolsy" offensive defenceman whose body is starting to break down, just isn't a guy you give any kind of money or term to in free agency. That's the profile of a guy who is falling off, and about to drive right off a cliff. Even in his prime, Dumba wasn't really what the Canucks need. But we're just finally able to see the end of Tyler Myers deal in sight. We don't need to rehash that sort of misfit situation for a bunch more years.

We need simple, steady, defence-first guys. Dumba is basically the opposite of that.


It's where swapping Boeser under contract for Dumba as a UFA, would basically amount to just calling "mulligan" on even qualify Boeser. Which, as much as i don't personally care for Boeser as a player to build around, he is still a young guy with a premium skillset as a goal-scorer. For the same reason i don't think you could just "walk away" from him as an RFA this summer, i don't think you can deal him for just a "walk away" guy like Dumba.


If Dumba has to be included for cap purposes, that's fine. Add him to the collection of defence projects that don't really work, maybe even try to flip him at the deadline. But he can't be the "value piece" of the deal. Doesn't necessarily have to be an amazing piece coming back, but something has to be there.

 

[Punchs Fedora]

Would Victor Olofsson be of interest to the Wild?

 

[McJedi]

Yeah… if Debrincat wants $9M then Minnesota isn’t the right destination. They wouldn’t give Fiala $8M and personally, I think Fiala is a better player than Debrincat.

I feel like you could find a way to turn down McDavid for Middleton. Middleton is a nothing defenseman. No offense. Some defense. Some physicality.

If Horvat is pulling the 23’ 1st from Minnesota, he will need to have an extension agreed to before the trade. The Wild can’t toss a 1st rounder for a rental.

Idk what your deal is, but I feel like you haven’t watched Dumba in 4-5 years. Minnesota could easily pay a third team to retain on Boeser.

Dumba won’t get a 1st at the deadline lmao.

I think Dumba is a mediocre, overpaid middle pair guy. But he’s also a rental. Boeser is a mediocre, overpaid, injury prone winger with three more years on his contract.

no chance you’ll get retention on his deal, unless Minnesota wants to give away good picks for it.

 

[jd22]

I think that any Horvat trade to Minnesota should have an extension. But it’s absolutely critical if they trade the 2023 1st. The 2023 1st round is projecting to have something like 14-17 centers drafted. For a team like Minnesota, I’m not sure it’d be a good idea to pass that up without some form of multi year gain.

Yeah, that's fair enough and logical. However, Vancouver is in much the same situation. Miller is arguably better on the wing, though he can play C. Pettersson is a the only true top 6 C the Canucks have (if they were to trade Horvat). The Canucks have nothing of note, centre wise, coming in the pipeline. They need to draft D and C.

So here we are. The fit for Horvat might be right but both teams, prospect wise, have a similar deficiency. Except I'd take Minnesota's prospect pool any day.

What kind of cap hit for Horvat would fit into your long term cap structure? I don't see him signing for any less than 7 x 8 or 6.8 over 8. That said, those are extreme low ends of what I think he'd accept. Probably a cap hit around 8 is more likely.

 

[Digitalbooya]

8-9 by 8 would be my guess. Devils fans have agreed to a Holtz+1st package so something similar. Rossi+1st would be my starting point.

Can’t afford his cap hit and shouldn’t be trading Rossi unless it’s for a center.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Boeser makes too much sense, but dumba is basically just cap. I'd want Beckman and a 2nd/3rd.

Brock is a 60+ pt winger in minny, close to his family where he can get his head back on straight.

I’d do Boeser($1M retained) for Dumba+Beckman+2nd

 

[Digitalbooya]

I think Dumba is a mediocre, overpaid middle pair guy. But he’s also a rental. Boeser is a mediocre, overpaid, injury prone winger with three more years on his contract.

no chance you’ll get retention on his deal, unless Minnesota wants to give away good picks for it.

Boeser is 1 year and 8 games removed from a 49pts in 56gp season and he would be much closer to his family in Minnesota (hopefully helping him and helping the Wild with a bounceback). He is the sort of gamble Minnesota should be after.