Value of: Offensive Forwards to Minnesota

[biturbo19]

What does Vancouver need? I’d love to run this lineup:
Kaprizov-Hartman-Zucc
Boldy-Gaudreau (Rossi)-Boeser
Greenway-Eriksson Ek-Foligno

Is it defense? Minnesota has a lot of defensive prospects, but basically none are RHD outside of Addison and I don’t see him being offered when he has made the power play so much better than it was in years past.

Really, what Vancouver needs is a steady, defensive defenceman with some size. And a RHD. Obviously there isn't a fit there.

But they basically don't have any defensive prospects of note, so i wouldn't even be too picky about that. Especially if they're potentially years down the line.

Someone like Addison, i get why Minnesota wouldn't want to offer him, and honestly he's not at all what the Canucks need anyway. So that's easy enough.



The other big thing the Canucks need, is flexibility under the cap. They've just got way too much money committed to Wingers, and particularly offensive-oriented ones. They need to re-allocate some of that toward other priorities. Including an impending ENORMOUS Horvat extension.

You just can't have as much money as they do, committed to:

Boeser.
Miller.
Garland.
Mikheyev.
Pearson.
Kuzmenko (who is going to be due a significant extension).

And then have your young guys also wingers like:

Podkolzin.
Hoglander.
Lekkerimaki.

It's just too much.


But given Minnesota's cap situation with the Parise/Suter buyouts, i'm not sure they're in a position to really alleviate that pressure.

But finding a way to reallocate Boeser's money somewhere else, goes a long ways to fixing the "balance" of the Canucks roster. Honestly, just re-allocating some of the money to a more dedicated bottom-6 banger would still help. Slot the roster together better in the meantime, and gain some sort of futures asset (to flip for the defence fix). That'd be just fine.

 

[Sebastien]

Engvall had 15G, 35P in a 3rd line role last year and has been bad this year.
Wondering if Minnesota would take flyer on him. Greenway would be great for the Leafs but he's worth more than Engvall imo

Guerin isn't moving players Like greenway he just signed to 3 years ex.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Oh I know what you prefer, but will you pay the price tag? Garland might be had reasonably, but Horvat will cost something that will hurt, and Boeser would mean gutting salary elsewhere.

What’s the price for each?

Our scoring forwards are in the prospect pool, for better or worse. Compounding the dumb mistake of not keeping Fiala would be to then turn around and trade more assets for a lesser player (Boeser, for example) trying to replace him.

Guerin made the decision when he traded Fiala for Faber and Ohgren that the NHL roster doesn't need a player like Fiala as much as the pool needs players like Faber and Ohgren. The future is more important than the present, and that's what we're seeing on the ice right now.

The idea that we HAVE TO sit tight because he traded Fiala is nonsense. I have no problem with trading for Boeser. It’s not like he will command a crazy price. He should be cheaper to acquire than Fiala was for LA.

Guerin didn’t know there would be a possible $4M increase to the cap next year. He also didn’t know that Talbot was gonna have a meltdown and then be traded for a worse goalie and cap savings.

We have plenty of defensive prospects that are blocked by Brodin-Middleton-Merrill for the next 3 years at least. We can use one or two of Lambos, O’Rourke, Peart, Hunt, etc in a trade and come out ahead. There’s only so many spots to be had on the NHL roster.

 

[AKL]

The idea that we HAVE TO sit tight because he traded Fiala is nonsense. I have no problem with trading for Boeser. It’s not like he will command a crazy price. He should be cheaper to acquire than Fiala was for LA.

Guerin didn’t know there would be a possible $4M increase to the cap next year. He also didn’t know that Talbot was gonna have a meltdown and then be traded for a worse goalie and cap savings.

We have plenty of defensive prospects that are blocked by Brodin-Middleton-Merrill for the next 3 years at least. We can use one or two of Lambos, O’Rourke, Peart, Hunt, etc in a trade and come out ahead. There’s only so many spots to be had on the NHL roster.

1) I don't think we HAVE TO sit tight because we traded Fiala. I think trading Fiala was an indication that we're going to sit tight (relatively) when it comes to top prospects and picks.

2) I don't think we need to go over how Guerin not knowing how Talbot would feel is an indictment of Guerin, not an acquittal. We've gone over it enough on our own boards.

3) Middleton and Merrill are not blocking anyone. Middleton is a 2nd/3rd pairing tweener and Merrill could be a 7D on a lot of teams. Just because they're technically under contract doesn't mean they're blocking guys. And I'm not personally interested in trading prospects before we know how they pan out for marginal (at best) upgrades on the roster.

As an aside, I'm laughing hysterically on the inside because I think it was pretty obvious this team was going to take a step back this season. No reason to hit the panic button just because what we expected to happen is exactly what happened.

I don't want to derail your thread about acquiring another offensive player, I just don't think it matters. Even if you manage to replace most of what Fiala brought without harming the future too much, that was a team that didn't make it out of the first round last year anyway. Is that what you're going for again?

 

[Parax]

Guerin said he wasn't going to go all in last season when the team was looking like a threat and was the last chance before the worst years of the buyout. His focus wasn't on last year, I don't see why it'd be on this year, we're probably at least 1-2 seasons away from the Wild being active in giving up futures to get immediately better.

 

[MNRube]

Really hoping we avoid Boeser. He already skates like he is 36.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I don't want to derail your thread about acquiring another offensive player, I just don't think it matters. Even if you manage to replace most of what Fiala brought without harming the future too much, that was a team that didn't make it out of the first round last year anyway. Is that what you're going for again?

This is such a bizarre comment considering Fiala pulled a disappearing act each of the last two playoffs.

So your logic is, even if it doesn’t harm the future too much, don’t improve the team currently because then we would be as good as last year’s team and they lost in the playoffs so therefore this team will lose in the playoffs?

No. We are going for improving the team regardless. Boeser has 11pts in 17 playoff games btw. Horvat has 16pts in 23 playoff games, including 11 goals. These guys have shown more success at scoring in the playoffs than Fiala.

 

[AKL]

We are going for improving the team regardless.

No, we're very obviously not, that's the point.

You might want to be, but the team very obviously isn't.

 

[Digitalbooya]

No, we're very obviously not, that's the point.

You might want to be, but the team very obviously isn't.

Well, then fire Guerin.

 

[AKL]

Well, then fire Guerin.

That's an option but I get pushback when I say that.

 

[KingTech]

any offer for Iafallo or Arvidson?

 

[Fjordy]

Maybe something around Mittelstadt+ for Dumba + Greenway

 

[BCNate]

I'd do Boeser for Dumba.

 

[AKL]

Maybe something around Mittelstadt+ for Dumba + Greenway

I would say that heavily depends on the + on Buffalo's side if it were me

 

[ViD]

Voracek is available

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'd do Boeser for Dumba.

I would too.

 

[McJedi]

Untouchables: Kaprizov, Boldy, Wallstedt

Minnesota needs more offensive style forwards. Right now they have three in Kap, Zucc and Boldy. They’ve gone back to back games without scoring a goal.

Assets:
-picks
-Dumba
-Middleton
-Greenway
-any prospects (Lambos, O’Rourke, Peart, Ohgren, Khusnutdinov, etc)

Fire away!

You should make the mistake of trading for Boeser. Send Dumba to Vancouver. Help Vancouver get the RHD they need and take the bad Boeser contract off their hands.

Vancouver could flip Dumba for value at the deadline. Boeser can be injured a lot and score 22 goals as a one dimensional forward. Cap hits are about equal

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You should make the mistake of trading for Boeser. Send Dumba to Vancouver. Help Vancouver get the RHD they need and take the bad Boeser contract off their hands.

Vancouver could flip Dumba for value at the deadline. Boeser can be injured a lot and score 22 goals as a one dimensional forward. Cap hits are about equal

Getting Boeser for Dumba would be value, even with your criticisms of him and his contract.

 

[voyageur]

I don't think the Wild want to give up very much, probably could have Jonathan Drouin for peanuts. I mean Minnesota had success with a Drouin from Montreal 50 years ago, why not go back to the well?

 

[HuGo Sham]

Hoffman: 3 goals in his last two games.

you can have him for some bundt cake

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Pearson's play has been pretty offensive lately. Any interest?

 

[Digitalbooya]

You should make the mistake of trading for Boeser. Send Dumba to Vancouver. Help Vancouver get the RHD they need and take the bad Boeser contract off their hands.

Vancouver could flip Dumba for value at the deadline. Boeser can be injured a lot and score 22 goals as a one dimensional forward. Cap hits are about equal

I'd trade Dumba for Boeser. Dumba doesn't fit on Minnesota's blue line anymore and is 100% gone after this year.

 

[Djp]

Boston just terminated the contract of an offensive forward….

 

[bernmeister]

Greenway, Ohgren and the MIN 2023 1st

For

Kreider

CK is not part of our probs

 

[bernmeister]

You don't have a 2023 3rd, neither does Rangers
so...

Av 2023 3rd NY owns + NYR 2023 6th + Pajuniemi elc -> rfa + Bodzinski 2yrs -. rfa
for
Wild 2023 2nd

The 2 Fs are cheap who can contribute to bottom or at best mid 6.
Paj is blocked by bread LaF etc and Othman will be here next yr
Bod got better since we got him coupla yrs ago, and they actually gave him multiyear deal

the 2 lesser picks defray surrender of a 2nd

We don't have anyone top level available for OP ask
Young core not getting moved
Panarin has full nmc