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I think we need to resign one of our UFA's or bring in someone to reach the floor. I don't see the team making a bunch of big trades and see them using the youngsters to fill the spots instead.
Off Season Trade Thread vol. IV: Spezza's Long Goodbye
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Mr Invidious
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I choose this line-up over 90% of the proposed line-ups with Stewart, Kulemin or any other top 6 tweener/3rd liner added.
SDC can play. Give him a chance that lasts longer than 3 games. See what him, Pageau, Stone and Hoffman can do. It might not be a playoff team, but I think this benefits us more in the long-run rather than plugging the line-up with some short-term solutions.
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If we're using the same players I think I'd prefer
Hoffman - Spezza - Hemsky
Mac - Turris - Ryan
SDC - Zib - Stone
Greening/Condra - Smith - JGP
With Neil as an extra, I don't think either Ryan or Hemsky would like to play LW and I think Hoffman would be a good fit on the top line, he certainly has all the tools to be successful there.
Other than that I don't want to break up the Turris line, it was absolute dynamite when Ryan was healthy and even with his sports hernia it was still pretty good.
I don't particularly like moving SDC to the wing but I think Zibby has shown that he can really excel in that position so I'd like to keep him there.
As far as the bottom line I prefer Smith at centre just because he's much better than JPG at faceoffs and has proven himself there. I wouldn't really care though if they decided to run with JGP in the centre position.
This is my preferred lineup too, but with Neil on the 4th line and Condra on the 3rd.
We would also have Puempel, Prince, Lazar who could potentially play in the bottom 6.
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There are several problems with your lineup.
- I still don't trust Hoffman to play on the top line, and especially with Spezza. They didn't click when they briefly played together from what I remember.
- Even though the M-T-R line was good, so was Stone when he played there. I don't have any qualms in switching Ryan with Stone.
- Since Stone plays with Mac and Turris, that leaves Ryan to play on the top line. He's played LW before so it shouldn't be that much of a problem. My only nitpick with that line is that they are all RHS. I'd like to have on LHS shot there.
- SDC as a winger will most likely not work. I agree Zib plays better at C, but if I had to pick either SDC or Zib at wing, I'd pick Zib.
- Also Hoffman showed good chemistry with Zib near the end of the year, so I'd like to keep them together.
- I also have issues with JGP as a winger. I'd rather keep him as a center. If you are concerned with faceoffs, then we have Smith and Zib at each respective line to take them if we have to. Smith played LW last year and was more than fine.
- Right now I'd rather have Neil over Greening in the lineup.
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Agreed with everything here, I'd also like to point out that SDC is a right shooting center, so putting him as a LW is a risky move that is likely to fall short.
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-How often did Hoffman play with Spezza? I mean Ryan didn't exactly mesh with Spezza either and he was definitely giving more icetime with him. As far as trusting Hoffman in my opinion he looked more than ready for top 6 minutes, and the numbers back it up.
-The Turris line with a healthy Ryan was miles better with him than Stone, I don't mind Stone being there but I don't think we should break up that line just because Stone had success there for 12 games.
-I'd rather have more focus on Zibanejad's development as a centre than Da Costa's, if he can't cut it at wing we replace him with someone who can. I personally don't wouldn't have Da Costa in the lineup at all I was just going off the players the original post had.
-Everyone showed good chemistry with Zibanejad, including Stone. Also SDC and Stone showed great chemistry as well.
-I'm pretty sure JPG can play RW but frankly I don't care who plays centre on the bottom line, that's just my preference. I wouldn't say Smith played LW enough to make a good judgement on him though
-I've made my opinions on Neil clear
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Meh, this is a trade thread so I won't get into it much further. But basically your lineup is a mess.
Do Make Say Think
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It's basically the same forward group we iced this year with Hoffman instead of Michalek in the top six and a bottom six without Neil? The only glaring issue I see is Da Costa as a LW and frankly if I weren't using the players already posted he wouldn't be on the roster at all.
You can't predict how this lineup would or wouldn't perform
I think he can make the jump personally yeah, he passed the eye test and his underlying stats are insanely good.
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My biggest issue with your lineup is playing SDC and JGP as wingers. I really don't think that's a good idea.
HavlatMach9
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It's not so much the lineup at fault, it's the justifications, especially those that include 'my opinion'.
Well like I said I was restrained in using the players provided, I would personally call up a player other than SDC to play that position or sign a UFA like Pouliot. I didn't really put to much thought into the bottom line admittedly, it could just as easily be Greening - Smith - Condra.
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I just read that the Bruins want a PMD in the off season. What if we do this.
To Boston
Wiercioch, Puempel, 2nd (They need to shed salary because of the Iggy bonuses)
To Ottawa
Loui Eriksson
Then
To STL
Spezza, Condra
To Ottawa
Berglund, Rattie, 1st. (
Rattie replaces Puempel in our system and the 1st is better than a 2nd.)
Sign Boyle to a 2 year 9M deal.
This would be the line up
Keeps us in budget.
I would prefer to sub Boyle and Rattie and get Shattenkirk but STL fans are adamant that we cannot get him.
To Boston
Wiercioch, Puempel, 2nd (They need to shed salary because of the Iggy bonuses)
To Ottawa
Loui Eriksson
Then
To STL
Spezza, Condra
To Ottawa
Berglund, Rattie, 1st. (
Rattie replaces Puempel in our system and the 1st is better than a 2nd.)
Sign Boyle to a 2 year 9M deal.
This would be the line up
Keeps us in budget.
I would prefer to sub Boyle and Rattie and get Shattenkirk but STL fans are adamant that we cannot get him.
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Do Make Say Think
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Not half bad but I have to think Boston isn't giving up on Eriksson so soon even if he hasn't been as amazing as we might have thought he was going to be
I wouldn't worry about what the STL fans say
They are just that, fans. We know nothing about what goes in the NHL.
That thread is hilarious, especially when someone says "we already agreed that 3rd overall for Tyler Myers was good so you can't have him"
Qward
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With that line up if BM and PM think that Lazar is ready for the show and they do not keep Da Costa, they could slide him in between Neil and Greening to keep him protected and put Smith with Hoffman and Stone.
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Stylizer1
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Out of all the Sens prospects, Lazar may be able to play the best with Greening and Neil, but I would rather just leave him in juniors than bring him into that situation haha.
Maybe if it was one or the other and someone like Stone on his flank, I would be okay with it as a third line. Stone is obviously a great passer, and besides the work ethic and passion, Lazar is most known for goal scoring. At least he could have someone that could score with him.
I do kinda like a Hoffman Smith Stone line though. I could see Smith scoring 35 points or so and getting back to where most of us thought he would develop into by now.
I'm not the biggest Da Costa fan, but if Spezza is actually traded, I wouldn't mind rolling with Da Costa and Zib as the other centers giving Stephane an extended look with quality minutes. If he got 10-15 games in and was underwhelming, we could just waive him and bring Grant up and shift Smith up a line.
I think the Sens should be looking for a power forward type with scoring ability in a trade for Spezza. That could help Turris or Da Costa's game by having someone dig out pucks for them.
I may be a little more relaxed there than most as I think another development year could do us good rather than trying to win. I want to see Lazar, Wideman, Schneider, and Puempel get some games in to see what we have.
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Spezza can make something out of nothing
Smith can't. In fact I honestly think Smith has decent offensive instincts but Greening and Neil are absolutely terrible: Smith could be far more effective with competent line mates and that would make our bottom 6 much better
Spezza is also a lot better with good line mates (who isn't?) but he doesn't outright suck without them
I don't agree on the first two points. Ryan got all the ice time with Spezza when he was dealing with the groin and back problems. That was not "normal" Spezza. I would give it another go next year with both fully healthy.
Ryan with those two was better obviously, but if Hemsky is gone , that's stacking 3 out of your 4 best forwards on a line. I would rather have someone who played really well with them (Stone) and spread the offense a little more and improve Spezza's linemates.
And I do agree with the last one though. Da Costa isn't beating Zibanejad, Turris, and he's not an ideal 4th liner. I just don't see room on our organization for him as he doesn't come off as a winger IMO.
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