Off Season Trade Thread vol. IV: Spezza's Long Goodbye

[Valar Morghulis]

for 4 million dollars a player like him is perfectly fine :s


he doesnt have stone hands like Neil. A player who stands infront of the net and has good hands is very valuable in my mind

Much much better than Neil, but I would like Neil to be playing only 8 min a night on the 4th line. I would just rather run with someone else other than Stewart. When he's on a hot streak he's a beast, but when he's not, I find him dragging his line down. But, maybe I just don't like him as much as most.

 

[HSF]

First of all we know the budget isn't increasing: after the news of the biggest TV deal in franchise history was signed the team President was asked if it would increase our roster budget and he said yes only to have Melnyk say that it wouldn't a few hours after.

So no, the budget isn't increasing next year and considering the TV deal added something like 40 million dollars (I think a bit less since the deal is 400 over 12 years I believe) to the team's budget and it won't do anything I wouldn't expect any increase in the short term (2-3 years) unless we make the playoffs next year and get to the second round to have a bunch of home games

The point isn't that Spezza isn't valuable, the point is that we're cash-strapped and have important players that will be needing new deals in 2015 in him, Ryan, MacArthur and Methot (probably other ones I can't think of) as of now: tough decisions need to be made to make sure we don't lose all our talent and the average of the team age needs to be considered, we're one of the youngest teams so once the current core hits it's prime Spezza most likely won't be the game breaker he is today

Spezza might simply not fit in the team's long-term plans at which point offering a long-term deal is just not a good idea, especially if you can trade him for a lot of assets which is what he's worth

IIRC he never said that the budget was staying the same. He just said we would be a budget team which makes perfect sense.


The only source I have seen was from a news reporter who seemed to speculate what the budget would be.

Spezza made 8 mill the year before this one and made 5 million this year. You really think Melnyk would have a problem giving spezza 6-7mill again?


I trust Bob Mackenzie and if spezza did say he would look favourably at a trade (this is the 2nd time) then it is clear that Spezza doesn't want to be a Senator for much longer

Maclean himself said that he hopes to see spezza here next year cause of how irreplaceable he is..another fact is melnyk and murray saying they want to be contenders as soon as they can not rebuild again....spezza would be in the contender pile

What you are saying is all speculation on your part

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Much much better than Neil, but I would like Neil to be playing only 8 min a night on the 4th line. I would just rather run with someone else other than Stewart. When he's on a hot streak he's a beast, but when he's not, I find him dragging his line down. But, maybe I just don't like him as much as most.

The other issue is who's available

I can't think of any other player that is in his mold that we have a shot at landing, especially considering that you have to think that Murray has the inside track with Tim in Buffalo

 

[God Says No]

IIRC he never said that the budget was staying the same. He just said we would be a budget team which makes perfect sense.


The only source I have seen was from a new reporter who seemed to speculate what the budget would be.

Spezza made 8 mill the year before this one and made 5 million this year. You really think Melnyk would have a problem giving spezza 6-7mill again?


I trust Bob Mackenzie and if spezza did say he would look favourably at a trade (this is the 2nd time) then it is clear that Spezza doesn't want to be a Senator for much longer

Maclean himself said that he hopes to see spezza here next year cause of how irreplaceable he is

What you are saying is all speculation on your part

You have to look at the bigger future picture. Spezza can get 7, but what bout Ryan, Anderson, etc. who will be getting raises next year as well.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

On a completely separate tack, I wonder what we would have to add to Spezza to get Read and Simmonds out of Philly. I'd imagine it's probably a non-starter with Simmonds in there, and probably doubly unlikely given their C depth with Giroux, Couturier and Lecavalier.

Still, if there was any way at all to swing that, I'd love to explore it. Simmonds would be an instant fan-favourite.

 

[HSF]

You have to look at the bigger future picture. Spezza can get 7, but what bout Ryan, Anderson, etc. who will be getting raises next year as well.

Anderson is probably gone. We are already losing Michaleks salary and i fully expect the budget to increase. We spent money for karlsson i see no reason why we wouldnt for other stars like ryan and spezza.


Ryan is already making 5mill you are what adding another 2 million onto that? I dont see a problem especially since Melnyk has said time and time again we are spending wisely. We definitly obtained Ryan with the thought of resigning him. These managers are millionaires they weren't born yesterday they know what they are doing when they obtain players

 

[BK201]

Simmonds has NMC.

 

[HSF]

is there a rumour that philly wants spezza? or just people speculating?

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Simmonds has NMC.

A modified NTC, actually. I'd imagine it's in the same mould as Spezza's, but that's just a guess.

is there a rumour that philly wants spezza? or just people speculating?

Not even speculation on my behalf, more wishful thinking after seeing how well Turris and Read have been clicking overseas.

 

[BK201]

Only rumors I've heard are Spezza shopping in the west.

But it would be dumb to not listen to offers.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Spezza to Philly makes absolutely no sense

It started because someone wanted Matt Read

Who doesn't? The guy is awesome

 

[God Says No]

Anderson is probably gone. We are already losing Michaleks salary and i fully expect the budget to increase. We spent money for karlsson i see no reason why we wouldnt for other stars like ryan and spezza.


Ryan is already making 5mill you are what adding another 2 million onto that? I dont see a problem especially since Melnyk has said time and time again we are spending wisely. We definitly obtained Ryan with the thought of resigning him. These managers are millionaires they weren't born yesterday they know what they are doing when they obtain players

I see Anderson coming back, unless Lehner goes to another level next year. Then we have McArthur, Methot and any RFA's we need to resign + any carry over from this upcoming year. Oh and don't forget your golden boy Stewart which will need a new contract as well.

I agree these are millionaires who know what they are doing (I hope), and that is why the Spezza move might be also money related. To free up space to sign other people.

Also, I'm not as optimistic as you are that the budget will increase.

 

[Valar Morghulis]

The other issue is who's available

I can't think of any other player that is in his mold that we have a shot at landing, especially considering that you have to think that Murray has the inside track with Tim in Buffalo

True. But I would rather have Grabovski and Kulemin. They can do other things when they aren't scoring. Stewart is too risky for my liking. His ceiling is much higher, but if he doesn't reach it then he's not worth it IMO.

If it only costs a low pick or a guy like Prince then fine, I guess it's worth a shot. But no way would I give up something more like Wiercioch or a better prospect.

 

[HSF]

I see Anderson coming back, unless Lehner goes to another level next year. Then we have McArthur, Methot and any RFA's we need to resign + any carry over from this upcoming year. Oh and don't forget your golden boy Stewart which will need a new contract as well.

I agree these are millionaires who know what they are doing (I hope), and that is why the Spezza move might be also money related. To free up space to sign other people.

Also, I'm not as optimistic as you are that the budget will increase.

fair enough

 

[Valar Morghulis]

I hope Lehner can play half the games next year to see if he can take control. Giving us a better idea on whether or not we need Anderson or another stop gap goalie for the year after. If he does well, ship out Anderson for anything you can get.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

True. But I would rather have Grabovski and Kulemin. They can do other things when they aren't scoring. Stewart is too risky for my liking. His ceiling is much higher, but if he doesn't reach it then he's not worth it IMO.

If it only costs a low pick or a guy like Prince then fine, I guess it's worth a shot. But no way would I give up something more like Wiercioch or a better prospect.

They're going to be UFAs so likely to be out of our price range due to bidding

 

[BK201]

A modified NTC, actually. I'd imagine it's in the same mould as Spezza's, but that's just a guess.

Not even speculation on my behalf, more wishful thinking after seeing how well Turris and Read have been clicking overseas.

I see I see that could work well for us.

 

[HSF]

Grabovski and kulemin....oh god

 

[Benjamin]

If we weren't on a budget...

Wiercioch + Prince + Greening

for

Read + Grossman

Wiercioch + Prince for Read. They save cap space with Greening for Grossman swap.

 

[HSF]

philly trading read is like us trading turris



there is no point in them dealing him .. they need a number 1 D which we cant give them

 

[torlev*]

I'd like to add Boyle but my money is on him going back to Tampa Bay. They desperately need help on D and he won a Cup there. If we had some money to go after him, then I'd be less convinced but, alas...

I can’t see why Boyle would go to a non-playoff team in his final years, particularly at the discount that it would take to fit him in Melnyk’s budget.

 

[Mr Invidious]

I can’t see why Boyle would go to a non-playoff team in his final years, particularly at the discount that it would take to fit him in Melnyk’s budget.

Maybe because that non-playoff team just made the playoffs... without the best goal scorer in the league?

EDIT: Unless you're talking about Ottawa, in which it is just wishful thinking. He's also from Ottawa.

 

[HockeySens]

You have to look at the bigger future picture. Spezza can get 7, but what bout Ryan, Anderson, etc. who will be getting raises next year as well.

Not to mention, Methot and MacArthur, then Zibanejad, Stone and Pageau will be done with their ELC. For what its worth, sens will probably not re-sign Anderson if Lehner outplays him next season.

 

[HockeySens]

If we weren't on a budget...

Wiercioch + Prince + Greening

for

Read + Grossman

Wiercioch + Prince for Read. They save cap space with Greening for Grossman swap.

Would you trade that for a 20/(40-50 pt) point winger version of Turris

 

[Benjamin]

philly trading read is like us trading turris



there is no point in them dealing him .. they need a number 1 D which we cant give them

I wasn't aware Read was that highly valued.