Proposal: Off Season Trade Thread vol. III

[HSF]

Ducks have Getzlaf so they don't really need Spezza.
I can't see Spezza a UFA in a year returning better packages then that... and that was with him signed.

Sens will not return core pieces of the deal... I'd argue he has less value then what the Sens gave up to get Bobby Ryan

ducks will go after spezza stastny or kesler

we already know they tried for kesler but if you want to compete with a team like LA who are strong down the middle or even San Jose you are going to need better than Bonino Cogs and Getzlaf

It depends on what you see as a core piece if you think Bonino or Etem core pieces then i can easily see those guys being offered for spezza. I just dont think ottawa will want them. I dont see Anahiem as a good trading partner as they arent deep and have talent to spare. St Louis is more likely with guys like Rattie and Jaskins possibly avaliable

 

[The Fuhr*]

Etem is a much better hockey player then Rattie or Jaskin... In a Spezza deal I'm hoping the team gets an asset as good as Etem in the return.

 

[The Fuhr*]

I think the asking price will be young top 6 or top 4, a good prospect (not top) and a pick (late first, or second).

Basically what Bobby Ryan returned and he had two years to Spezza's one.

 

[benjiv1]

Basically what Bobby Ryan returned and he had two years to Spezza's one.

Ryan also isn't a #1 centre.

Whoever acquires Spezza, is going to do so with the assumption that they can sign him to an extension.

I think a Ryan type return is pretty spot on.

 

[HSF]

Basically what Bobby Ryan returned and he had two years to Spezza's one.

I think people would be pleased with that return

 

[Ice-Tray]

Thanks for all of your input, but after much contemplation I've decided that we're not going to trade Spezza.

Rather, we will re-sign him, and look to keep Hemsky and add Stewart. My apologies for allowing you all to waste your valuable time creating hair-brained trade schemes.

You can all go home now.

 

[Micklebot]

Basically what Bobby Ryan returned and he had two years to Spezza's one.

I guess my point is if the return is any less, why bother even having the conversation. The hope is that's the starting point and we let interested parties outbid one another. If we get an offer of that type then we consider it.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Ryan also isn't a #1 centre.

Whoever acquires Spezza, is going to do so with the assumption that they can sign him to an extension.

I think a Ryan type return is pretty spot on.

I don't believe the Sens will get a "Ryan type return" for Spezza. Partly because the Sens overpaid for Ryan, and partly because Spezza's back issue will cause a real drop in his value.

And because of that, they will elect not to trade him but rather re-sign him.

 

[God Says No]

I don't believe the Sens will get a "Ryan type return" for Spezza. Partly because the Sens overpaid for Ryan, and partly because Spezza's back issue will cause a real drop in his value.

And because of that, they will elect not to trade him but rather re-sign him.

And I'm ok with that scenario. He played better after the new year.

 

[The Fuhr*]

And because of that, they will elect not to trade him but rather re-sign him.

Will Spezza want to spend the rest of his career on a team near the cap floor?

Spezza has never given me the die for Ottawa commitment Alfredsson had.. Alfredsson could have commanded 8.0-10.0 per season back in the Holik UFA days and took less to play in Ottawa.

If ownership does not spend to the cap will Spezza stay?

 

[Laoghaire]

I guess my point is if the return is any less, why bother even having the conversation. The hope is that's the starting point and we let interested parties outbid one another. If we get an offer of that type then we consider it.

Equally important to the assets that Ryan drew was that we also absorbed his cap hit without sending back anywhere near as much. This in a time when the majority of teams were at the ceiling. If we are willing to absorb cap on a Spezza trade it could be worth more than Ryan (in theory).

 

[OttawaSenators11]

When talking about trading Spezza, i get nervous.

I just feel like it could be one of those " last all we got!?" type trades for a #1 center in this league.

Ideally, i would like to add onto what we have

 

[HSF]

i ca see spezza putting up 80 pts on another team and the same people who wanted him gone calling for murray head especially when we have a young zibanejad as the 2nd line center and turris a good 2nd line center as our first

 

[John Holmes*]

Murray should have been fired years ago.

If he does trade Spezza, I think a lot of people will understand. The team is in the process of turning over, though we still have some idiotic contracts to wait out (Phillips, Neil, Greening) and Spezza doesn't necessarily fit in going forward.

Maybe Spezza wants out. We have to consider that. He's not getting younger, and this team is nowhere near contender status.

It might make the most sense for both sides to move him and get some real solid pieces back that will help us down the road when this current nucleus of players mature.

 

[Busboy]

Murray should have been fired years ago.

If he does trade Spezza, I think a lot of people will understand. The team is in the process of turning over, though we still have some idiotic contracts to wait out (Phillips, Neil, Greening) and Spezza doesn't necessarily fit in going forward.

Maybe Spezza wants out. We have to consider that. He's not getting younger, and this team is nowhere near contender status.

It might make the most sense for both sides to move him and get some real solid pieces back that will help us down the road when this current nucleus of players mature.

Those three collectively are less overpaid than David Clarkson. It's really insignificant and should have next to zero effect on the team moving forward.

 

[krapsik]

i ca see spezza putting up 80 pts on another team and the same people who wanted him gone calling for murray head especially when we have a young zibanejad as the 2nd line center and turris a good 2nd line center as our first

I can see Spezza plays only half of the regular season games with back problems. And then we call Murray a genius. Most important thing is: are Spezza want to be out of the team or not. If he wants out, then stupidest thing is try to keep him. We need to overpay to do that.
If he want to be Sens for life, then he need to take some "home discount" with long term deal.

 

[Busboy]

I can see Spezza plays only half of the regular season games with back problems. And then we call Murray a genius. Most important thing is: are Spezza want to be out of the team or not. If he wants out, then stupidest thing is try to keep him.
If he want to be Sens for life, then he need to take some "home discount" with long term deal.

Remember last time Alfie injured his back and everyone said his career was over?

Me too.

If Spezza's back issues were really that bad then he would not be playing. The team doctors have too much liability to let him play if his back was not capable of enduring a pro hockey league.

 

[sam2020]

Those three collectively are less overpaid than David Clarkson. It's really insignificant and should have next to zero effect on the team moving forward.

Clarkson very well could go down as the worst contract in the league this past year as for Spezza/Neil/phillips in no way are the over paid.

 

[sam2020]

Murray should have been fired years ago.

If he does trade Spezza, I think a lot of people will understand. The team is in the process of turning over, though we still have some idiotic contracts to wait out (Phillips, Neil, Greening) and Spezza doesn't necessarily fit in going forward.

Maybe Spezza wants out. We have to consider that. He's not getting younger, and this team is nowhere near contender status.

It might make the most sense for both sides to move him and get some real solid pieces back that will help us down the road when this current nucleus of players mature.

The issue is if he wants to go to Toronto a team in far worse shape then Ottawa would that make sense no it would not.

 

[operasen]

Those three collectively are less overpaid than David Clarkson. It's really insignificant and should have next to zero effect on the team moving forward.

Its not so much the salary, its more about the three roster spots that are stunting the growth of our prospects or getting in the way of an upgrade at the position.

We are about to face the issue that we have too many D on one-ways next year and someone is going to have to go. That should be Phillips. Instead it will be someone that in a year or so will be a solid player on another team.

I'd like to see all three of the guys you mention moved in the next months. Or just walk away.

 

[Busboy]

Its not so much the salary, its more about the three roster spots that are stunting the growth of our prospects or getting in the way of an upgrade at the position.

We are about to face the issue that we have too many D on one-ways next year and someone is going to have to go. That should be Phillips. Instead it will be someone that in a year or so will be a solid player on another team.

I'd like to see all three of the guys you mention moved in the next months. Or just walk away.

All three of them are capable NHL players with intangibles.

Greening is at worst a good 4th line winger with versatility. Can be used on the PK and 3rd line if needed.

Neil is our toughest player. At his worst he's taking bad penalties. At his best he's changing the momentum of the game and delivering some of the best hits in the NHL. He's also a leader on the team and heavily involved in community initiatives and charities.

Phillips has over 1200 games of NHL experience. That's more than double the experience of every player on our roster except Spezza and Neil. He's paid like a bottom pairing defenseman and plays like one.

The issue with these players is coaching. All three would be welcome additions to contending teams for various reasons and are a benefit to our roster. Problems only arise when they're asked to play a role they're not capable of.

With the exception of Phillips, we don't have players ready to step in a fill these guys roles. Losing them would hurt the team.

 

[Hemmer Time]

Personally, I think Greening is the only bad contract out of all of them. I think its important to have guys like Phillips and Neil on the team, its just that their usage is off. Phillips would be best playing 16 mins a night mainly on PK for about 50 games a year. But will the coach send him to the press box if he's wearing a A? And as for Neil, we still need him to play against some of the tougher teams, but he should be playing about 6-8 minutes a night and benched if he takes stupid penalties. They both provide leadership, which we need, but they need to have their usage adapted.

Greening's contract is just plain brutal for someone who is taking up a prospects spot at 2 million more and is less effective. If its possible to trade him, I would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[John Holmes*]

Greening sucks. He should be looking for a job in Europe.

Phillips and especially Neil are finished. Sorry but the "yeah but there are dumber contracts out there" argument doesn't move me too much.

I also gave Murray a pass on Cowen and Wiercioch because I think those are acceptable gambles.

Hoping Greening can channel Brian Bickell, and guaranteeing that he will block a better player for the next three seasons was downright stupid.

Neil will also block a young winger while contributing virtually nothing for two more years, as Phillips will do on defense.

What can you do. A lunatic owner who won't fire an incompetent GM. To borrow your argument...hey! At least we're not the Leafs.

 

[SaltyPete]

I don't understand what people see in Stewart, he's going to cost way more than what he's worth.

 

[John Holmes*]

I'm kind of on that track myself. I'd probably rather give Prince a shot and see what he can do instead of trading him away, but then again maybe Stewart could flourish here.