WhereAreTheCookies
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Yes there is also that. Not sure they look at trading him at all until Swayman completely solidifies himself as the starter next season.
Off-Season Roster Thread #2 -- Nothing to do but wait
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On July 1st (or whatever date this year) go full Pittsburgh....
3 matching contracts:
1. Malkin 2x$7.5
2. Letang 2x$7.5
3. Fluery 2x$7.5
Completely solves Sabres 3 biggest needs, and really addresses issues for each of those 3.
No one cold argue that those three have not been under the Crosby shadow the entire careers...well each HAS TO trust the each of the 3???? Right???? Each has the same feelings about Pittsburgh was never THEIR team....well guys, here is YOUR team.....bunch of young studs but you're the leaders.
Dreaming but that pitch COULD be made and a reality.
3 matching contracts:
1. Malkin 2x$7.5
2. Letang 2x$7.5
3. Fluery 2x$7.5
Completely solves Sabres 3 biggest needs, and really addresses issues for each of those 3.
No one cold argue that those three have not been under the Crosby shadow the entire careers...well each HAS TO trust the each of the 3???? Right???? Each has the same feelings about Pittsburgh was never THEIR team....well guys, here is YOUR team.....bunch of young studs but you're the leaders.
Dreaming but that pitch COULD be made and a reality.
And structurally, Buffalo very much went with a pile of guys who were low trust. Then those low trust guys gravitated to one another - 3/4ths of the "Card Table" crew all have enough stories about them to make any fan think about the impact of it.
It's interesting that one of the most recent groups of players who bounded around something were Cooper's Norfolk Admirals. And Buffalo went out to get a member of that team in Tokarski.
The difference, of course, being that this isn't a life/death situation. This is a professional sports team. Also, holding up the Navy Seals as the #1 Performing Org in the world is a bit misleading. They are an elite team at achieving military goals. In terms of Sports, you'd probably look to the Patriots as the elite team of achieving sports goals, and they have dipped heavily into the low character end of the pool to get franchise success.
So, while you may want to have higher, to use the videos terminology, "Trust" Guys as your leadership group,, there is no problem with having a high performance, low "trust" player as part of your team, as long as you don't make him your captain. Patrick Kane is the perfect example of that. Low quality person all around, Conn Smythe Winner.
If you want to talk about building your leadership core, you absolutely want high character players, that is more important than them having high skill, though I think having your leaders being a productive important part of the team is still.
Zach716
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Malkin has had injury issues and that isn't gonna get any better at age 36-38. He'll just take ice time away from our young kids when he is playing. On board with Letang 100% and Fleury though.
Matt Ress
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I think that ship has sailed. Unless say, Boston retains some salary and then Linus and Kev can sit back and laugh out loud about being smarter than everyone else.
But yeah that's probably the only scenario where ullmark returns. And that's a steeeeretch
itwasaforwardpass
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Kadri is the type of player you hate...unless he plays for your team. Then you love him...if he's on his previous contract and not the silly one he's about to get in UFA.
Djp
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whil I agree with most of what you said, A big factor is missing. Ruff vs vanek/ Pom et all was part of the problem. There was a lot of talk in Ruff still treating them as ELCs. It was more coach vs players than inner roster divisions
Djp
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Buffalo Sabres: Jack Campbell would make a huge upgrade
The Buffalo Sabres desperately need a goaltender and they may look to free agency to fill the void. Jack Campbell may be hot on their radar.sabrenoise.com
I wouldn't mind giving Campbell 3 yrs @ $5M AAV.
that is the max I would go. I have concerns on him being a starter playing 55+ games.
Djp
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i agree, but there is a third dimension here where you can have a high performer/ low trust on a team but he doesn’t destroy the team.
Jim Bob
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CowbellConray
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I personally think Palat would be an absolutely shrewd signing by our organization. I think he has 4 years of great play still in him. Knows how to win, is by all accounts a stand up guy, two way stud (one of the few + players for the Lightning this playoffs), and can still put up 50-60 points. 4x6.5 and I wouldnt bat an eye. I think he is that good.
Put him with Krebs and Cozens and that line feasts
Jim Bob
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I just don't see Adams adding a veteran winger like Palat this off season, so I don't want to even think about it.
Adams doesn't seem to have any interest in adding high priced vets when he has so many young guys that he wants to see how they work out.
CowbellConray
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That's fair
Do I think Adams goes after a player like Palat? eh, probably not
Do I want Adams to go after Palat? Just check my post history...
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
I would like Palat on the Sabres. But, adding him creates some interesting roster and line construction challenges.
Der Jaeger
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Sinek makes a point in another TED talk that he gravitate to military units because they work on the extremes, which make leadership and the culture easier to see. But the points are just the same, life and death, or not.
The Patriots example proves Sinek's point. You can take low trust players and put them into a high trust organization, and they'll either improve or leave. But it started with the culture first, not the players. Belichick set the culture before Tom Brady ever took a regular season snap.
You build a high performing team this way (which I've done, a lot): set culture, then bring in people who fit that culture, reinforce culture. Then you can take a chance or two.
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Off topic: special operations and high performance. Sure, they are the highest performing organizations in the military world. But I could take a SEAL squadron or SFOD-D squadron, bring them into any business or organization in the country, and they'd have it running well. Part of the mindset is that "hard will take until the end of the day, impossible just a little longer."
Belichick is famously hard on players, and still gets lots out of his teams, even without Brady. Ruff was fine.
Oh yeah - a big stretch for sure. I didn't realize he had a full NMC this year. He has a 16-team NTC for 23-24.
But if you ask me today who I'd rather have at 3x5M between Ullmark or Campbell, I think I'd prefer Ullmark.
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There are also great resources from David Marquet around the Navy's working culture and process. His book "turn the ship around" relates the ways he managed a submarine to smooth running operations is really interesting. He promotes this idea of everyone having the trust and autonomy to do their job, which is aligned to the overall vision through clear leadership and goals. It actually makes me think of Granato and Sean McD, who preach this idea of doing YOUR job well, and having the trust to make the right decisions.
Marquet is a huge name in operational effectiveness, and has some great great material on team management and delivery.
Der Jaeger
Generational EBUG
Super off topic, but here it goes:
The key is trust. What Marquet talks about is part of it. Doing your job is part of it. But it takes a special kind of person to form those teams, and be part of them.
Sinek talks about how in the military we give medals to people who are willing to sacrifice for others, in business they bonus those who are willing to sacrifice others for gain. Dramatic, but on target with his point.
Which leads to why special operations forces select the way they do. Why to the SEALs go through hell week? Why is Ranger school 62 days (minimum) of no sleep, minimal food, etc? Why does SFAS includes back breaking team events? It's not to find the leaders. It's to find those willing to sacrifice and work for others.
That builds trust. You find players, workers, or people in your life willing to do that, and you keep them around.
But you see where the comparison breaks down right? The Seals are the peak aspirational goal for a lot of career military types. They don't really compete much for elite army talent, they get to take their pick and build as they choose.
Professional Sports teams don't have that luxury. There are only so many elite talents available and 32 teams are vying to get them. The true elite talent, high character guys might play for 1 team in their career, maybe 2. You have to make choices about what players to pursue after that, and not every one is going to be a boy scout at the end of the day.
Not to dig in the Patriots history too much, but Belicheck won 3 super bowls in his first five years and was gifted with a HOF QB in his 2nd year. None of his proteges have been able to replicate his success because it was based around 2 key tenants.
1. Belicheick's defensive genius
2. Brady
Success (and luck) begat the 'Patriot way' not the other way around. If there was some magic formula Bill used for culture, it would have been replicated elsewhere already by people who saw it up close. It hasn't been, because they lack 1 and 2.
Culture, character, etc. They all matter. But, in the environment of a professional sports team, culture alone isn't enough. And the idea you can craft culture in some lab and build it is false. It's almost entirely about the players you have and getting success to reinforce it.
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I’m here for a talk on the character of the cheating Patriots with the murdering tight end
BG82
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Hearing Alex DeBrinicat could be a casualty in Chicago if they cannot move Toews or Kane.
This kid would fit what were looking
This kid would fit what were looking
The issue is they don't really have a cap crunch unless they are looking to do big things in the UFA market. Really looks like Kubalik and a goalie are their two most expensive pieces.
Irving Zisman
Really Bad Grandpa
2 things can be true at the same time. Those Vanek/Roy/Pominville teams had more roster talent on average, yet consistently underperformed (even if certain physicality and defensive issues existed).
DJ is right- Culture is incredibly more important than many people want to admit, especially on these boards. I’ve been here for over 15 years (longer if you count the lurking), and until very recently saw many posts and threads defending or downright condoning bad behavior and turning a blind eye to the many rumors - Press and former players alike - of horrible attitudes/team culture. I’ll never forget certain people giving a pass to young players mocking Gionta and Gorges…
Granato and this roster finally feels different. With that in mind, I’d prefer they steer clear of any potential additions that have had any sort of baggage - rumored, perceived or otherwise - in the past (Kadri, Subban, Kassian, etc). Although in a vacuum, Kadri’s skill set would be perfect for the roster…
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