Off-Season Roster Thread #2 -- Nothing to do but wait

[Ace]

Again…it’s a move to make sure they don’t have to make a bad move later.

they are so far under the floor that counting on signing the top goalie and a big money d as your only way out is bad management.

signing bad players to take spots from good young players ready for the next step is also bad management.

people don’t even know what they’re criticizing anymore.

 

[Jacob582]

Ha ha ha

The Pegulas are such a joke. The only reason to make this trade now is if Dallas gave them a deadline or to trade for a player's rights (Holtby).

That much cap space and money should be worth a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.

 

[jd1970]

Can Beane manage both teams?

 

[Ace]

And again this doesn’t do anything in any way to change the way they approach building the team. What it does is ensure that if they can’t get the free agents they want they don’t have to overpay bad ones. Theyre in this spot because the players we all want them to play don’t make any money yet.

The only people who could reasonably be even a little upset are ones who somehow convinced themselves we were going to be within 4 million of the cap ceiling…and from where we are and who is locked into the roster in top roles…those people can’t even exist.

 

[Zman5778]

It's a lot worse than the R6 pick swap IMO because it potentially tells us everything about their intentions for the entire season...

I'm not so sure it does. We are FORTY million under the cap. Before this, we were TWENTY million from the floor.

I think most around here (note: most) understand that we're likely to stand pat at forward or maybe bring in a low-cost 3rd/4th line center.

Yes, we need some goalies and a defensemen. But getting Bishop early ensures that if we can't attract free agents, we aren't stuck into throwing stupid money around even for a year.

 

[jd1970]

Again…it’s a move to make sure they don’t have to make a bad move later.

they are so far under the floor that counting on signing the top goalie and a big money d as your only way out is bad management.

signing bad players to take spots from good young players ready for the next step is also bad management.

people don’t even know what they’re criticizing anymore.

Your argument is moot.
Little league franchise, little league manager.

 

[BloFan4Life]

And again this doesn’t do anything in any way to change the way they approach building the team. What it does is ensure that if they can’t get the free agents they want they don’t have to overpay bad ones. Theyre in this spot because the players we all want them to play don’t make any money yet.

The only people who could reasonably be even a little upset are ones who somehow convinced themselves we were going to be within 4 million of the cap ceiling…and from where we are and who is locked into the roster in top roles…those people can’t even exist.

You're delusional. A strong message has been sent. As low cash payroll as possible.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Ha ha ha

The Pegulas are such a joke. The only reason to make this trade now is if Dallas gave them a deadline or to trade for a player's rights (Holtby).

That much cap space and money should be worth a 2nd or 4th round draft pick.

It's not cap space for Dallas since they would have put him on LTIR anyway.

If you want them to continue to develop young players on ELC's and low money contracts moves like this may need to happen. Would you prefer they bring in cast offs from other teams to take roster spots from the kids? If they do land a couple decent players via UFA or through trades this has zero effect on that.

 

[BloFan4Life]

It's not cap space for Dallas since they would have put him on LTIR anyway.

If you want them to continue to develop young players on ELC's and low money contracts moves like this may need to happen. Would you prefer they bring in cast offs from other teams to take roster spots from the kids? If they do land a couple decent players via UFA or through trades this has zero effect on that.

I would rather they use the space to trade for a guy like Boeser.

So sick of people acting like all these kids are going to work out and we shouldnt improve the team since all these players will be future HOFers.

 

[Ace]

You're delusional. A strong message has been sent. As low cash payroll as possible.

I want you to do one of two exercises right now.

1. Get a pen and paper. Write down the players that will be on this team next season and their total salaries. Put it under the number that is the cap floor. subtract it. Now take every empty roster spot and tell me who they are filling it with at what cost and tell me what you come up with as a total. Then…imagine a world where 31 other teams compete for the players you chose and tell me what happens if they don’t get them and we need to make up cap to reach said floor.

or

2. delete your account

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

I would rather they use the space to trade for a guy like Boeser.

So sick of people acting like all these kids are going to work out and we shouldnt improve the team since all these players will be future HOFers.

And who do you expect them to trade for Boeser? It's not even a sure thing that he's available. They did the fast rebuild attempt before and look how that turned out.

So sick of people freaking out because they are finally rebuilding the right way.

 

[threeVo]

I would rather they use the space to trade for a guy like Boeser.

So sick of people acting like all these kids are going to work out and we shouldnt improve the team since all these players will be future HOFers.

Why is the team giving up assets for a prime aged player when they arent competing?

You have the absolute worst takes on this entire website

 

[RefsIdeas]

I want you to do one of two exercises right now.

1. Get a pen and paper. Write down the players that will be on this team next season and their total salaries. Put it under the number that is the cap floor. subtract it. Now take every empty roster spot and tell me who they are filling it with at what cost and tell me what you come up with as a total. Then…imagine a world where 31 other teams compete for the players you chose and tell me what happens if they don’t get them and we need to make up cap to reach said floor.

or

2. delete your account

This isn't nearly as difficult as you think it is. I'm headed out now, but I'll be glad to link a bunch of CapFriendly prospective lineups that are well over the cap and teams would have to attach stronger assets than a 7th to move (Mrazek, Hornqvist, Scandella).

 

[Ace]

People act like this GM didn’t waste 8 million dollars like a year and a half ago because he was big game hunting when they had no business doing so and the guy said yes.

REALITY CHECK: Getting to the floor with this roster was only going to be easy if they A: mortgaged futures to trade for contracts. B: Took declining players on bad ones. C: managed to get all the top guys at the couple positions they have truly open.

Im begging some of you to get off the ledge and back to reality

 

[threeVo]

The overreacting here is hilarious. Dallas is helping the Sabres out here more than vice versa. The Stars werent backed against a wall. Its a nothing burger trade that allows them some breathing room should they not lure any UFAs. Everyone is acting like we can just pick and choose who signs here.

They would be stupid to trade futures for a high price player right now. We likely arent competing for the playoffs so lets blow another rebuild by being impatient.

 

[jc17]

The only people who could reasonably be even a little upset are ones who somehow convinced themselves we were going to be within 4 million of the cap ceiling…and from where we are and who is locked into the roster in top roles…those people can’t even exist.

Not quite. I think the assumption is that there's an internal budget, so its not 4M closer to the cap, but 4M closer to the pegula's budget. Your point mostly still stands, but I don't think anyone is worried about the cap ceiling, and more worried with the strategy of hitting the floor.

 

[Zman5778]

The overreacting here is hilarious. Dallas is helping the Sabres out here more than vice versa. The Stars werent backed against a wall. Its a nothing burger trade that allows them some breathing room should they not lure any UFAs. Everyone is acting like we can just pick and choose who signs here.

They would be stupid to trade futures for a high price player right now. We likely arent competing for the playoffs so lets blow another rebuild by being impatient.

We're getting a 7th because we're saving the Stars like $3.5 million in real money. That's what it comes down to, I'm pretty sure.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Ok look, the always frustrated are frustrated!

 

[BloFan4Life]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is lots of room for improvement, and spending MID money in free agency is often good and can be done smartly. Don’t sell that other stuff to hard.</p>&mdash; Jeremy White (@JeremyWGR) <a href="">June 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Dirty Dog]

We're getting a 7th because we're saving the Stars like $3.5 million in real money. That's what it comes down to, I'm pretty sure.

I think so too. This type of deal doesn’t look to usually get much value (from what I can tell), and we seem to arguably need the cap space as much as Dallas needed to lose it.

Tying the draft pick to real money makes sense to me

 

[threeVo]

Ah Jeremy White the guy who still wished the Bills drafted the "Other Josh" because they align politically.

 

[BloFan4Life]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No, it is not in any way amazing, other than saving the owners lots of actual dollars.</p>&mdash; Jeremy White (@JeremyWGR) <a href="">June 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Weltschmerz]

I would rather they use the space to trade for a guy like Boeser.

So sick of people acting like all these kids are going to work out and we shouldnt improve the team since all these players will be future HOFers.

Oh great a 50 point player with a qualifying offer of 7.5, great way to ruin our salary structure.

Do you think Thompson will take less then after next season?

 

[BloFan4Life]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes. They’re looking to make the appearance of the floor without spending actual money. They could ALSO get to the floor with actual players if they choose to.</p>&mdash; Jeremy White (@JeremyWGR) <a href="">June 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Jacob582]

They would be stupid to trade futures for a high price player right now. We likely arent competing for the playoffs so lets blow another rebuild by being impatient.

The bold is the problem a lot of us have. I don't expect to sign big time UFA's or trade a bunch of picks/prospects. But there are things they can/need to do (goaltending) so they don't punt yet another season.

At what point are we competing for the playoffs?