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Off-Season Roster Thread #2 -- Nothing to do but wait

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I wouldnt expect a ton in return. The Sabres have to add salary and the Stars arent right up against the cap (yet).
 
Sabre Dance said:
Hard to do that without giving up prospects or picks. They’d have to overpay on long term deals in free agency. I don’t mind overpaying for 1-2 years but I don’t know how many players would sign up for that in Buffalo right now.
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Bingo! Of course we can sit here and say "just sign a goalie and RHD for 6 mil each" but UFAs want term and thats something Adams doesn't want to commit to...

-Next summer Adams needs to pay Tage, Cozens, Samuelsson, Asplund and Okposo (i'm sure Okie will take a home town discount and not cost much but they're gonna want him around

-Summer 2024 he's got Mitts, Krebs, Dahls, Joki and Power...

I dont mind taking on a 1 year dead contract now to make sure we can pay our up and coming young core in the future
 
Der Jaeger said:
This is essentially a non-move move. Sabres have $40M in cap space. And the Sabres will put him on IR for the year. So he's not blocking anyone from making the team.

Dallas has $14M in cap space, and this basically gives them $5M more.

If the Sabres get a pick, or even future considerations, who cares? It's not like signing Campbell and Subban are getting the Sabres where they need to be, and it's not blocking anyone from coming.

It's a blah move.
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Why can the Sabres put him on IR so that he doesn't count against the cap, but Dallas can't? If he's currently on IR and not counting against the cap, why even deal him?
 
Doug Prishpreed said:
Why can the Sabres put him on IR so that he doesn't count against the cap, but Dallas can't? If he's currently on IR and not counting against the cap, why even deal him?
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Maybe its floor insurance for the Sabres and a few mil saved for Dallas.

If we do struggle to reach the floor, he isn't put on LTIR, and if we do, he is. Does it work like that?
 
jc17 said:
Maybe its floor insurance for the Sabres and a few mil saved for Dallas.

If we do struggle to reach the floor, he isn't put on LTIR, and if we do, he is. Does it work like that?
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Dallas can put him on IR or LTIR. If they don't have anybody on LTIR when the season opens, the team can accrue cap space throughout the season (perhaps to be used at the deadline). If he's on regular IR he counts against the cap just as any normal player would. He's currently still on LTIR though.

The Sabres can put him on IR so he counts against the cap. If he's on LTIR to open the season then we would be under the floor, assuming we aren't over it otherwise. If we move him to LTIR during the season, we accrue that cap space that he would've been otherwise taking up while on regular IR. No real downside to that.

I'm not a Cap Guru so anybody can feel free to correct me but this is my understanding of it.
 
RefsIdeas said:
Dallas can put him on IR or LTIR. If they don't have anybody on LTIR when the season opens, the team can accrue cap space throughout the season (perhaps to be used at the deadline). If he's on regular IR he counts against the cap just as any normal player would. He's currently still on LTIR though.

The Sabres can put him on IR so he counts against the cap. If he's on LTIR to open the season then we would be under the floor, assuming we aren't over it otherwise. If we move him to LTIR during the season, we accrue that cap space that he would've been otherwise taking up while on regular IR. No real downside to that.

I'm not a Cap Guru so anybody can feel free to correct me but this is my understanding of it.
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No one can go in LTIR until opening day …meaning he has to be in the cap on day 1. They don’t get relief until after that and until their salaries are over the upper cap limit. Aka - He still counts for the stars in the cap on the day that you need to be cap compliant by… And putting him on LTR will never give us more capspace unless we actually have salaries above the upper cap limit.
 
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jc17 said:
Maybe its floor insurance for the Sabres and a few mil saved for Dallas.

If we do struggle to reach the floor, he isn't put on LTIR, and if we do, he is. Does it work like that?
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No, a player only goes on LTIR once the team hits the top end of the salary cap.

This is purely a move to help the Sabres get above the cap floor while spending as little actual cash as possible.
 
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KrakenSabresMike said:
No one can go in LTIR until opening day …meaning he has to be in the cap on day 1. They don’t get relief until after that and until their salaries are over the upper cap limit. Aka - He still counts for the stars in the cap on the day that you need to be cap compliant by… And putting him on LTR will never give us more capspace unless we actually have salaries above the upper cap limit.
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That wasn't quite my understanding of it:

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Der Jaeger said:
Why? If it gets the Sabres the flexibility to make moves without thinking of the cap floor, wouldn't that be good enough itself?
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For me - it's the timing of this move that hurts - not the move itself.

The Boychuk move was necessary at the time - I'm completely fine with that.

But this early in the offseason? Nah... It stinks unless there's a reason to make ir right now (compensation). It tells me they aren't going to be spending anything on actually improving the squad or the on ice product. I like giving the likes of Quinn/JJP their chances. But when so obvious improvements are needed elsewhere (in goal, RHD)... It makes no sense.
 
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Rowley Birkin said:
For me - it's the timing of this move that hurts - not the move itself.

The Boychuk move was necessary at the time - I'm completely fine with that.

But this early in the offseason? Nah... It stinks unless there's a reason to make ir right now (compensation). It tells me they aren't going to be spending anything on actually improving the squad or the on ice product. I like giving the likes of Quinn/JJP their chances. But when so obvious improvements are needed elsewhere (in goal, RHD)... It makes no sense.
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The timing of the move may be driven more by Dallas not wanting to pay the signing bonus due. Either way it's nothing but a rumor, and Weekes has been wrong just as often as he's been right so until we get a confirmation it's happened it's really nothing to be concerned about.

If they make it to mid August and still haven't signed or traded for anyone to address the teams needs then I'll be concerned, until then this is a nothing move that buys them some insurance that they'll reach the floor if the trade actually happens.
 
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Well, I was expecting something like this, I hope this does not affect the signing or trading of 2-4 players to improve roster.
 
WhereAreTheCookies said:
The timing of the move may be driven more by Dallas not wanting to pay the signing bonus due. Either way it's nothing but a rumor, and Weekes has been wrong just as often as he's been right so until we get a confirmation it's happened it's really nothing to be concerned about.

If they make it to mid August and still haven't signed or traded for anyone to address the teams needs then I'll be concerned, until then this is a nothing move that buys them some insurance that they'll reach the floor if the trade actually happens.
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Weekes is as reliable as anyone out there right now, isn't he? Id take his words with less salt than most others.

And if we're doing Dallas such a favour re signing bonuses or whatever... Then we'd better be getting compensated for it!
 
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Rowley Birkin said:
For me - it's the timing of this move that hurts - not the move itself.

The Boychuk move was necessary at the time - I'm completely fine with that.

But this early in the offseason? Nah... It stinks unless there's a reason to make ir right now (compensation). It tells me they aren't going to be spending anything on actually improving the squad or the on ice product. I like giving the likes of Quinn/JJP their chances. But when so obvious improvements are needed elsewhere (in goal, RHD)... It makes no sense.
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Would've liked to have seen a draft pick come over with the move personally if it was done at this time. Not even like a premium pick, just something to make the move worthwhile and productive for the team for Buffalo to take the contract off Dallas' hands. It's a headscratcher on the level of the Botterill 6th round pick exchange. While it's not a make or break it type of move, it still leaves a feeling of "really? Why?"
 
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OkimLom said:
Would've liked to have seen a draft pick come over with the move personally if it was done at this time. Not even like a premium pick, just something to make the move worthwhile and productive for the team for Buffalo to take the contract off Dallas' hands. It's a headscratcher on the level of the Botterill 6th round pick exchange. While it's not a make or break it type of move, it still leaves a feeling of "really? Why?"
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It's a lot worse than the R6 pick swap IMO because it potentially tells us everything about their intentions for the entire season...
 
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OkimLom said:
Would've liked to have seen a draft pick come over with the move personally if it was done at this time. Not even like a premium pick, just something to make the move worthwhile and productive for the team for Buffalo to take the contract off Dallas' hands. It's a headscratcher on the level of the Botterill 6th round pick exchange. While it's not a make or break it type of move, it still leaves a feeling of "really? Why?"
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Weekes reported a trade is being discussed but nothing has really come out about what is involved.

There may very well be picks involved. The trade may not happen. Nobody knows, yet.
 
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At least its something.

I know I'm in the minority but the 6th didn't bother me much, outside of it being Toronto. We weren't the only team to do things like that. If they couldn't find a player they liked enough to draft thats on the scouts (which i know comes back to JB, but then the draft prep should be criticized not the trade)
 
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