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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt III | Winter meetings are over. Still waiting for stuff to happen

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Minor League Transactions - Baseball America

Toronto Blue Jays

Signed: RHP Thomas Ruwe (for 2021)

Released: RHP Felipe Castaneda | RHP Juanfer Castro | RHP Yohan Concepcion | RHP Leo Correa | RHP Austin Havekost | RHP Alex Nolan | RHP Blake Sanderson | RHP Andrew Sopko | C Omar Gutierrez | C Jesus Hernandez | C Geyber Jimenez | OF Amin Araujo

Added to 40-man roster: RHP Ty Tice | C Riley Adams | C Gabriel Moreno | SS Otto Lopez | OF Josh Palacios

Minor league Rule 5 picks: SS Sebastian Espino (from Mets)

Voluntarily Retired: RHP Brad Wilson
 
hockeywiz542 said:
Minor League Transactions - Baseball America

Toronto Blue Jays

Signed: RHP Thomas Ruwe (for 2021)

Released: RHP Felipe Castaneda | RHP Juanfer Castro | RHP Yohan Concepcion | RHP Leo Correa | RHP Austin Havekost | RHP Alex Nolan | RHP Blake Sanderson | RHP Andrew Sopko | C Omar Gutierrez | C Jesus Hernandez | C Geyber Jimenez | OF Amin Araujo

Added to 40-man roster: RHP Ty Tice | C Riley Adams | C Gabriel Moreno | SS Otto Lopez | OF Josh Palacios

Minor league Rule 5 picks: SS Sebastian Espino (from Mets)

Voluntarily Retired: RHP Brad Wilson
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In case anyone is curious, Sopko was half of the return from the Dodgers for Martin in 2019.
 
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Managers & Front Office Executives On Expiring Contracts
Blue Jays: Charlie Montoyo is entering the last guaranteed year of his original three-year contract, though the Jays hold a club option on Montoyo’s services for 2022. That option could be exercised to give Montoyo a bit more security as a reward for leading Toronto to the playoffs last year, though expectations are certainly higher for the 2021 team. It should also be noted that there hasn’t yet been any official confirmation that president/CEO Mark Shapiro has signed a new contract with the team after his five-year deal ran out after last season, but last October, Shapiro seemed to imply that a new deal was all but complete.
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TF97 said:
In case anyone is curious, Sopko was half of the return from the Dodgers for Martin in 2019.
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He was also a tire fire for 50+ innings in AAA in 2019.


I enjoy that Brad Wilson is classed as voluntary retirement. I know they mean that in the "as opposed to having to retire due to injury" way, but instead I choose to believe that is actually the counterpoint to involuntary retirement where it unfolds as managment walking up to a guy and saying "Brad, that's it. You're retired. We filed the papers and here's a pension cheque, the keys to an RV registered in the state of Florida, and a book about birdwatching."
 
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The Nemesis said:
He was also a tire fire for 50+ innings in AAA in 2019.


I enjoy that Brad Wilson is classed as voluntary retirement. I know they mean that in the "as opposed to having to retire due to injury" way, but instead I choose to believe that is actually the counterpoint to involuntary retirement where it unfolds as managment walking up to a guy and saying "Brad, that's it. You're retired. We filed the papers and here's a pension cheque, the keys to an RV registered in the state of Florida, and a book about birdwatching."
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It’s almost sad when ones AAA numbers are so horrid that they could only wish they had the stat line of Jo-Jo Reyes.
 
TF97 said:
It’s almost sad when ones AAA numbers are so horrid that they could only wish they had the stat line of Jo-Jo Reyes.
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Everybody wishes they were Jo-Jo Reyes.

For real though the Martin trade was pretty explicitly a salary dump/"do a good turn" type trade and the expectations on the guys got in return was always incredibly muted. Fangraphs called them "fringe prospects" by name when the deal went down, with Sopko actually singled out as the more bankable of the two in terms of MLB future (albeit as a spot-starter/back-of-the-rotation guy).

the other guy, Ronny Brito, was considered a MIF prospect with pop but a questionable bat due to his tinkered-with swing and strikeout heavy approach. MiLB's website says he was assigned to Buffalo as of November, which is surprising because he was an absolute shitshow for the bulk of his 2019 season in Vancouver (I remember him, he was not an interesting or entertaining watch at the plate) and that performance was sandwiched in between being garbagey in Dunedin from April until the Short-A season started in June and then getting bumped up to Lansing in late August where he mashed for the smallest of small sample sizes (4 games, 15 PA).

So the Martin trade amounts to a big fat nothing, but prospects are voodoo and it's not like Martin was traded as a hot commodity (his contract was an overpay by that point to the extent that the Jays paid like 75% of it to get LA to take him off their hands, and he was with the Dodgers pretty much the same as what he was in his last Blue Jays year: a sub-replacement hitter buoyed to a 1.2 fWAR on account of his diminished but still solid defensive value behind the plate.) I'll take offloading the last year of his contract in exchange for a pair of lottery ticket prospects most times that offer comes up. They didn't work out but that's baseball. You're gonna strike out, but the important thing is to not stop swinging.
 
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The Nemesis said:
Everybody wishes they were Jo-Jo Reyes.

For real though the Martin trade was pretty explicitly a salary dump/"do a good turn" type trade and the expectations on the guys got in return was always incredibly muted. Fangraphs called them "fringe prospects" by name when the deal went down, with Sopko actually singled out as the more bankable of the two in terms of MLB future (albeit as a spot-starter/back-of-the-rotation guy).

the other guy, Ronny Brito, was considered a MIF prospect with pop but a questionable bat due to his tinkered-with swing and strikeout heavy approach. MiLB's website says he was assigned to Buffalo as of November, which is surprising because he was an absolute shitshow for the bulk of his 2019 season in Vancouver (I remember him, he was not an interesting or entertaining watch at the plate) and that performance was sandwiched in between being garbagey in Dunedin from April until the Short-A season started in June and then getting bumped up to Lansing in late August where he mashed for the smallest of small sample sizes (4 games, 15 PA).

So the Martin trade amounts to a big fat nothing, but prospects are voodoo and it's not like Martin was traded as a hot commodity (his contract was an overpay by that point to the extent that the Jays paid like 75% of it to get LA to take him off their hands, and he was with the Dodgers pretty much the same as what he was in his last Blue Jays year: a sub-replacement hitter buoyed to a 1.2 fWAR on account of his diminished but still solid defensive value behind the plate.) I'll take offloading the last year of his contract in exchange for a pair of lottery ticket prospects most times that offer comes up. They didn't work out but that's baseball. You're gonna strike out, but the important thing is to not stop swinging.
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Absolutely, it also opened the door to maximize Jansens playing time, as Martin surely wouldn’t have been a $20M benchwarmer. It also allowed Martin the chance to play for a legitimate contender. It was a win-win all around regardless of the outcome of the prospects. This front office has generally been quite successful when it comes to acquiring unheralded minor leaguers as well.
 
Major League Baseball should create a 14 day initial signing period for all UFA's to prevent this type of holdout from happening. This is bad for the sport. Fans start to lose interest waiting for things to happen after so long.
 
smitty10 said:
Major League Baseball should create a 14 day initial signing period for all UFA's to prevent this type of holdout from happening. This is bad for the sport. Fans start to lose interest waiting for things to happen after so long.
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It’s how the baseball off season works. This season is different than others for sure but that’s because of what’s happening with covid and the massive market teams aren’t looking to spend this off season. That slows things down a lot. Not to mention some gm changes and the Mets the other big market team had to hire a new gm.
 
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dredeye said:
It’s how the baseball off season works. This season is different than others for sure but that’s because of what’s happening with covid and the massive market teams aren’t looking to spend this off season. That slows things down a lot. Not to mention some gm changes and the Mets the other big market team had to hire a new gm.
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It is definitely how baseball off seasons work....I don't think that makes it good though. One of the main thing other sport leagues have is big days. You can market big days or at the very least weeks in every other major sport in North America. You really can't at all in baseball. Baseball finishes in early November....and then stuff just kinda happens whenever. I don't know how you change that but it would be good for the sport if it did.
 
Opinion | Blue Jays mailbag: An off-season of chicken, and a season for chicken bone
That said, my bold prediction is that the Jays will end up signing Realmuto while using their catching depth to make a big trade elsewhere. I’m not picking this option because I think it’s their top choice but because I believe Springer ultimately lands with the Mets and LeMahieu stays with the Yankees. Realmuto’s top suitors aren’t as apparent, which means he could fall into the Jays’ laps even though the club has enough promising young catchers already.
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I'd much rather keep Jansen/Kirk as a future top 5 catching tandem in baseball at a fraction of the cost but if we do miss out on literally everyone and we can turn those catchers into an ace like Snell or someone else and have Realmuto then that option also works at first glance. I would rather we keep Kirk/Jansen and get Springer/D.J/Bauer though
 
The issue is Jansen hasn't been able to hit for 2 years. I believe in him still, but he hasn't take that step offensively yet that I hoped he would. If teams value him and you can sign JT then your team is better. All of this is assuming literally all better fit free agents turn us down.

And who knows, Gabby Moreno could be the best of the bunch in 3-5 years.
 
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The issue is Jansen hasn't been able to hit for 2 years. I believe in him still, but he hasn't take that step offensively yet that I hoped he would. If teams value him and you can sign JT then your team is better. All of this is assuming literally all better fit free agents turn us down.

And who knows, Gabby Moreno could be the best of the bunch in 3-5 years.
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I think we tend to underestimate how difficult it is for catcher to transition to the majors because there's so much to learn and so much to focus on outside of hitting.

To wit: Realmuto had an 11-game cup of coffee with a 69 wRC+ then a rookie season with an 89 wRC+.

I'm still entirely convinced Jansen is going to be a star. He just had an 89 wRC+ with a .190 BABIP (around 100 with a sub-.190 BABIP if you tack on the two playoff games). I would be inclined to bet on Jansen and spend the money elsewhere.
 
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포스팅 마감 임박 김하성, 관건은 ML 보장 계약

The deadline for posting (private competitive bidding) by Ha-Sung Kim (25, Kiwoom) is approaching, but there is no news of the contract yet. The deadline is at 7am on January 2nd next year.

According to an official from Kim Ha-sung's side, the reason the contract, which was likely to be made right now, is delayed is because there is a difference in position in terms of terms rather than the amount. Whether or not the right to veto downgrade in minor leagues is inserted. The club wants a safety device, and Kim Ha-seong wants a complete major league guarantee contract.

From the club's perspective, 25-year-old Kim Ha-seong is obviously the most attractive player from all KBO league players, but the fact that he is an unproven rookie in the major leagues is an obstacle. There is also a precedent that the beasts from various KBO leagues so far have failed to meet expectations. On the other hand, from a player's point of view, it is natural that they want to be guaranteed enough opportunities to realize their dreams. Previously, among the beasts, Kim Hyun-soo (LG), who had advanced to Baltimore, had the right to veto minor league relegation in the terms of the contract and exercised it.

Ha-sung Kim is actively appealing his merits. In the 2020 season, he made a big success with a batting average of 0.306, 30 homers, 109 RBIs, and 23 steals. The baseball prediction system ZiPS (SZymborski Projection System) analyzed that "If Kim Ha-sung converts his 2020 KBO league performance into a major league performance, it will be'a batting average of 0.274, an on-base ratio of 0.345, a slugging ratio of 0.478, 24 homers, and 17 steals." A factor of evaluation is the consistency of batting 0.294, 133 homers, and 575 RBIs for 7 seasons in the KBO league without injury. Among this year's free agent (FA), there are many excellent infield resources such as Diddy Gregory, Andrelton Simmons, and Marcus Semieon, but Kim Ha-sung is the only player in his mid-20s with '5 tools'.

According to local media, Ryu Hyun-jin (33)'s Toronto and Choo Shin-soo's (38)'s former team Texas are among the top candidates. There is not much time left for Kim Ha-sung to draw the desired contract and receive a New Year's gift.
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According to a Korean newspaper, Kim is in deep conversation with a MLB team but the issue is that Kim wants the right to veto a demotion to the minors and the team doesn't want to give him one.
 
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Puckstuff said:
I'd much rather keep Jansen/Kirk as a future top 5 catching tandem in baseball at a fraction of the cost but if we do miss out on literally everyone and we can turn those catchers into an ace like Snell or someone else and have Realmuto then that option also works at first glance. I would rather we keep Kirk/Jansen and get Springer/D.J/Bauer though
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My thoughts exactly. Do I want to Realmuto on my team? Yes. Do I want to pay the biggest contract in franchise history to get him, lose draft picks and block other prospects? No

Now that may change if someone told me I can get Jansen+ for Snell.

But I don’t see the need to pay $100-150M to take a top 5 catching tandem to move up 4 spots to get the #1 catcher who is likely going to cost me $25-30M per when my current catcher who makes 600k hasn’t played a full season yet.

If Realmuto gets hurt, flames out or declines you are stuck with a loss of $25-30M per year. If Jansen or Kirk flame out, you lose nothing.

It’s an investment that doesn’t need to be made right now unless Realmuto’s price comes down a lot.
 
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TheBeastCoast said:
It is definitely how baseball off seasons work....I don't think that makes it good though. One of the main thing other sport leagues have is big days. You can market big days or at the very least weeks in every other major sport in North America. You really can't at all in baseball. Baseball finishes in early November....and then stuff just kinda happens whenever. I don't know how you change that but it would be good for the sport if it did.
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How can you get away with collusion if people expect you to sign free agents on a specific day?
 
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