Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Pt II: It's the off-season in November!... Wait. That's normal for baseball.

[dredeye]

Is today the day the Jays do something?

Hopefully something equally as significant

 

[Hoverhand]

Winter Meetings in two days, will that finally be when the dam breaks?

 

[habamillions]

One would hope. But now that everything is virtual who knows

 

[phillipmike]

JotCast | MLBTR Live Chat | 12/5/2020

griff
1:21 would TB trade Snell to the Jays for Kirk, O.Martinez and Kloffenstein?
Mark P
1:21 I think Toronto would do that. Tampa maybe, though I think they would want at least one player who is absolutely MLB-ready from day one. Kirk showed a lot of promise in small amount of plate appearances, but I don't know if the Rays feel he can immediately be a regular catcher.

I might do it. Seeing a lot of people connecting the Jays to Realmuto. If they Jays sign him, wondering if we could take Kirk and Martinez out and move Jansen, Hiraldo and Kloffenstein instead. Maybe take out Hiraldo or Kloffenstein if we agreed to take on Kiermayer's contract.

 

[dredeye]

Winter Meetings in two days, will that finally be when the dam breaks?

Usually a couple of guys come off the board at least

 

[Kiwi]

JotCast | MLBTR Live Chat | 12/5/2020


I might do it. Seeing a lot of people connecting the Jays to Realmuto. If they Jays sign him, wondering if we could take Kirk and Martinez out and move Jansen, Hiraldo and Kloffenstein instead. Maybe take out Hiraldo or Kloffenstein if we agreed to take on Kiermayer's contract.

If we're willing to spend this off-season (I'm presuming we are) I'd be keen on doing something like that, eating money is a great way of retaining assets while still filling holes in the lineup

You would think in the current financial climate that would interest a lot of budget teams with bad contracts on the books

 

[dredeye]

So reading an article on mlbtr about the Mets. It concluded that the Giants and Jays appear front runners for Odorizzi. The article continues on that Bauer and Springer are the Mets two main targets but it adds that they are likely only willing to spend to add one. My thinking is we end up with whichever one doesn’t sign with the Mets.

 

[Cor]

Is today the day the Jays do something?

It was not

 

[phillipmike]

Evaluating 7 Kris Bryant trade proposals

Blue Jays get KB, for real this time

Blue Jays get:
3B/OF Kris Bryant

Cubs get:
LF Derek Fisher
C Reese McGuire
SS/3B Kevin Smith (Blue Jays’ No. 19 prospect)
RHP Josh Winckowski(Blue Jays’ No. 26 prospect)

Why it could work: The Blue Jays get Bryant, who they originally drafted in the 18th round in the 2010 MLB Draft out of high school. He did not sign and attended the University of San Diego instead, and the Cubs took him second overall in 2013. For the Blue Jays, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. has said he wants to return to primarily third base, but Bryant has experience in the outfield, and can fill a corner-outfield role on days he wouldn’t be playing third. Cavan Biggio is versatile and can play first, second and right field, while Lourdes Gurriel Jr. played left field in 2020 but has experience at both second and shortstop. Between Guerrero, Biggio, Gurriel and Bryant, the team would have third base, first base and left all covered -- with the other player available to DH. For the Cubs, who are not in full rebuilding mode, this is a chance to pick up two prospects who are expected to get to the Majors soon and could fill needs, with Smith playing at third and Winckowski in the rotation. With Ian Happ in center, Fisher can play left field with Kyle Schwarber no longer on the Cubs, and McGuire provides a backup option at catcher.

Who says no? Likely the Blue Jays. Bryant is a good player coming off a rough season, but the main problem is he plays a position that the Blue Jays are set with, if Guerrero does indeed return to third base as he’s said he hopes to. Toronto has a bunch of young players, many of whom can play a few different positions, like Biggio, and Bryant just doesn’t seem to fit with the way their other players slot among each other. And from the Cubs’ side, the desire would likely be a package that includes a more solid third-base option.
-- Sarah Langs

SIGN. ME. THE. F. UP.

Sarah Langs for GM.

 

[phillipmike]

How last year’s big deals worked out (so far)

7. Hyun Jin Ryu, LHP, Blue Jays
Contract: 4 years, $80 million
Toronto couldn’t have known it at the time, but Ryu ended up being the perfect 2020 signing. Forever plagued by injury concerns over the course of a long season, Ryu only had to make 12 starts in '20, and they were good ones: He put up a 2.69 ERA, finished third in AL Cy Young voting and led his team back to the playoffs. He’ll have to hold up for the long haul more in '21, but this has gone splendidly so far. Maybe someday he’ll actually get to pitch for the Blue Jays in the city of Toronto.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Evaluating 7 Kris Bryant trade proposals


SIGN. ME. THE. F. UP.

Sarah Langs for GM.

Yea if the Jays rejected an offer like this for Bryant I would throw up. Would be a huge get for a really decent price.

 

[phillipmike]

Yea if the Jays rejected an offer like this for Bryant I would throw up. Would be a huge get for a really decent price.

Yeah it’s an absolute no brainer. Jays were likely to add a real CF and starter catcher or vet backup for Jansen, so Fisher and McGuire would be gone anyways.

Jays are likely to an infielder too (in this scenario it is Bryant) to go with Vladdy, Bo and Biggio. Not to mention guys like Martin, Groshans, Martinez and Hiraldo behind them so zero room for Smith. The only real loss would be Winckowski but he is far from a sure thing and that isn’t a real loss.

So what you are giving is essentially nothing.

But you are getting an MVP candidate in a contract year.

He either performs and you re-sign him or get a draft pick for him when he walks OR he doesn’t do well and takes our QO, and you get him for another year.

This is exactly the types of deals I would be looking to move, surplus low ceiling MLB or AAA players for value now or prospects further away with higher ceilings vs losing them for nothing like McKinney, Pannone, Alford etc.

Cubs aren’t taking this deal for Bryant, it’s tremendously bad for them but if they were interested, imall over it. I suspect they want close to MLB ready pieces but more so pitchers. I was think guys like Kay, Hatch and/or Merryweather.

I think Hoyer would really want Hatch back. And I would do it for Bryant.

If the Cubs are really looking to shed money, I’m wondering if Darvish is on the table.

 

[phillipmike]

Baltimore signs former Jays prospect, Connor Greene.

 

[The Nemesis]

Baltimore signs former Jays prospect, Connor Greene.

He never did figure out how to get guys out, so he'll fit right in with the Orioles.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Evaluating 7 Kris Bryant trade proposals


SIGN. ME. THE. F. UP.

Sarah Langs for GM.

That has Donaldson 2.0 written all over it, if you ignore the years of control.

 

[Bjindaho]

Yeah it’s an absolute no brainer. Jays were likely to add a real CF and starter catcher or vet backup for Jansen, so Fisher and McGuire would be gone anyways.

Jays are likely to an infielder too (in this scenario it is Bryant) to go with Vladdy, Bo and Biggio. Not to mention guys like Martin, Groshans, Martinez and Hiraldo behind them so zero room for Smith. The only real loss would be Winckowski but he is far from a sure thing and that isn’t a real loss.

So what you are giving is essentially nothing.

But you are getting an MVP candidate in a contract year.

He either performs and you re-sign him or get a draft pick for him when he walks OR he doesn’t do well and takes our QO, and you get him for another year.

This is exactly the types of deals I would be looking to move, surplus low ceiling MLB or AAA players for value now or prospects further away with higher ceilings vs losing them for nothing like McKinney, Pannone, Alford etc.

Cubs aren’t taking this deal for Bryant, it’s tremendously bad for them but if they were interested, imall over it. I suspect they want close to MLB ready pieces but more so pitchers. I was think guys like Kay, Hatch and/or Merryweather.

I think Hoyer would really want Hatch back. And I would do it for Bryant.

If the Cubs are really looking to shed money, I’m wondering if Darvish is on the table.

It should be noted that the dramatic differences in value are due to teams like Toronto and Boston eating his contract and the assumption that money is involved in some of the other offers.

With Chicago talking scorched earth, this would be the time to at least what Darvish costs. Honestly, to take 40M off their payroll, I would think something like this offer plus Hatch wouldn't be far off (I think the offer for Bryant is actually too much).

 

[Leafin]

That Bryant deal is a no brainer for the Jays. I think the price to acquire him would sting a fair bit more than that.

 

[Discoverer]

That Bryant deal is a no brainer for the Jays. I think the price to acquire him would sting a fair bit more than that.

Probably not. For one year of Bryant at his salary and coming off the season he just had, there just isn't a ton of surplus value there. The potential is there for it to be a huge win, but I don't think anyone is going to give up high-end prospects for him at this point.

I never bought that Chicago was seriously considering non-tendering Bryant, but I also think the fact that there was discussion about it speaks to how much value he holds right now.

 

[SDig14]

It doesn't look like Realmuto is an option there. If the rumors are true Mets only want to spend big on one player, if they get Bauer we could get Springer and DJ/Kim/Realmuto and if the last one then trade catching for pitching.

Bauer hasn't really been in any of these rumors that much, hard to guage which teams are hard after him.

 

[Petes]

It doesn't look like Realmuto is an option there. If the rumors are true Mets only want to spend big on one player, if they get Bauer we could get Springer and DJ/Kim/Realmuto and if the last one then trade catching for pitching.

Bauer hasn't really been in any of these rumors that much, hard to guage which teams are hard after him.

I feel like everyone is forgetting that other teams besides the Mets and Jays are bidding for these players... don’t rule out the Dodgers, Yankees, Angels, Braves...

I don’t think it’s going to be as simple as the Mets landing one star player and then the rest just line up nicely for the Jays.

 

[SDig14]

I feel like everyone is forgetting that other teams besides the Mets and Jays are bidding for these players... don’t rule out the Dodgers, Yankees, Angels, Braves...

I don’t think it’s going to be as simple as the Mets landing one star player and then the rest just line up nicely for the Jays.

I just don't see those teams being hard after guys we seem to be, which appears to be Springer. The rumor was the Yankees are trying to bring back DJ and then are done big spending.

I could totally see the Dodgers giving Bauer massive money and bringing back Turner and then be done as well for big free agents.

Angels need pitching too, but they are awful and will need to overpay a bit.

I just don't think there are that many fits for big money guys, and I think we will get one for sure. I'm hoping for 2, and if just 1, perhaps target Lindor, Bryant or someone else.

I think there are even less suitors for a Lindor trade than teams wanting to spend big on free agency.

 

[tmlfan98]

Wouldn't signing Springer and Realmuto cost one 1st round pick each in compensation?

 

[Discoverer]

Wouldn't signing Springer and Realmuto cost one 1st round pick each in compensation?

They would lose their second pick and $500,000 in international slot value for signing one. If they sign a second, they would lose their third pick and another $500,000.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Report: Indians 'would love' to build Lindor trade with Jays, like Gurriel

Seems as though Gurriel Jr for Lindor might be a base. I wouldn’t do it unless Lindor comes extended though.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Report: Indians 'would love' to build Lindor trade with Jays, like Gurriel

Seems as though Gurriel Jr for Lindor might be a base. I wouldn’t do it unless Lindor comes extended though.

I'd rather move Teo, but if it's for a signed Lindor, then heck yeah.