Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 15th: How's that dream job now, Farrell?

[GoHardSports]

Those were a couple of good reads Nem and Aub, looks like our team isnt quite at the caliber of the 1993 team yet. Hopefully we can add an elite bat at the deadline this year.

 

[Buckleys]

I'd take Molitor over EE.

I think they are just comparing the 92 team to this present team, Molitor was on the 93 team, whereas Winfield was not.

EDIT - Oops, nevermind.

 

[p.l.f.]

our rotation looks better now
but that 92-93 bullpen wins over huge

offense is comparable

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

 

[Phaneuf is Phaneuf]

offense is comparable

Dude, did you read the article? The top 3 BAs in the league in 93 were all on the Jays, plus you had grade A defense pretty much everywhere; 2013 definitely has a better rotation, at least on paper, but no way are the teams comparable anywhere else.

 

[p.l.f.]

Dude, did you read the article? The top 3 BAs in the league in 93 were all on the Jays, plus you had grade A defense pretty much everywhere; 2013 definitely has a better rotation, at least on paper, but no way are the teams comparable anywhere else.

so 'they' say - but you cant predict the future
i remember those teams well
i think you'll find this team to be damn good too
it's just different
-this offense has tons more power and speed
-the rotation is better
-and there's high potential with lawrie bonifacio gose to get even stronger

92-93:
better defense
great bullpen
great top heavy offense: WACW WAMCO - 7 thru 9 was more D first players

 

[canucksfan]

Dude, did you read the article? The top 3 BAs in the league in 93 were all on the Jays, plus you had grade A defense pretty much everywhere; 2013 definitely has a better rotation, at least on paper, but no way are the teams comparable anywhere else.

The only weakness that team had offensively was catcher.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Why are we comparing this team to the 93 team? Who cares how they stack up against that team? All that matters that they stack up very well against the current MLB teams. That's all that should really matter. We have a great team. Who cares if they are not as good as the one 20 years ago? We are not competing against that team.

 

[Woodman19]

Why are we comparing this team to the 93 team? Who cares how they stack up against that team? All that matters that they stack up very well against the current MLB teams. That's all that should really matter. We have a great team. Who cares if they are not as good as the one 20 years ago? We are not competing against that team.

People love to make comparisons even though in many cases the comparisons mean nothing when gauged in the grand scheme. Why else do you think people think we always need a "Halladay" or a "Joe Carter" fact is you need as much talent as you can get and since we are playing against different teams then the 92-93 teams played against the amount of talent we had then means nothing.

 

[bossy22]

'92 World Series Game One: Toronto Bluejays vs. Atlanta Braves

Saturday, October 17, 1992 at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium in Atlanta, Georgia

Starting Lineups

TOR
White CF
Alomar 2B
Carter 1B
Winfield RF
Mondonaldo LF
Gruber 3B
Borders C
Lee SS
Morris P

ATL
Nixon CF
Blauser SS
Pendleton 3B
Justice RF
Bream 1B
Gant 1B
Berryhill C
Lemke 2B
Glavin P

 

[bossy22]

For fun I started a GDT for 92 World Series playing on Sportsnet.

If possible, could a Mod sticky it for the day?

 

[Puckstuff]

For fun I started a GDT for 92 World Series playing on Sportsnet.

If possible, could a Mod sticky it for the day?

One of the mod's likely can't because this is a forum for hockey and all baseball talk is suppose to stay in this thread only.

 

[bossy22]

Pregame lol

Tomahawk Chop or Pat O'Brien. What/Who's more annoying?

Manuel 'Don't call me Manny' Lee

What's Hannah Montana's dad doing there? Nice mullet, Billy Ray. Almost as cool as Grubers.

 

[King Mapes]

People love to make comparisons even though in many cases the comparisons mean nothing when gauged in the grand scheme. Why else do you think people think we always need a "Halladay" or a "Joe Carter" fact is you need as much talent as you can get and since we are playing against different teams then the 92-93 teams played against the amount of talent we had then means nothing.

Look at who won last year. Not a team you'd be scared of but played well together. Our 93 team was just insane.

 

[dredeye]

One of the mod's likely can't because this is a forum for hockey and all baseball talk is suppose to stay in this thread only.

well we have an ongoing gdt during the season so I don't think it's much of an issue.

I'll add that with the lockout pretty much every hockey thread is recycled comments or question with little to no value anyway. No harm in having a thread dedicated to a great time in Toronto sports for what will be a little over a week.

 

[bossy22]

Tomahawk Chop or Pat O'Brien. What/Who's more annoying?

Correction: It was, and remains to be: Tim McCarver.

 

[Puckstuff]

Reyes - .307/.361 48 SB 9 HR
Cabrera .311/.346 14 SB 13 HR
Bautista .263/.371 40 HR 131 RBI
Encarnacion .272/.358 32 HR 101 RBI
Lind .270/.328 22 HR 88 RBI
Lawrie .287/.336/ 20 HR 82 RBI
Rasmus .260/.318/ 23 HR 78 RBI
Arencibia .244/.299/20 HR 58 RBI
Bonifacio .282/.331/ 52 SB 3 HR

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Dickey - 18-10 3.14 ERA
Johnson - 15-8 3.47 ERA
Morrow - 16-9 3.73 ERA
Buerhle - 13-14 4.06 ERA
Romero - 11 - 10 3.96 ERA

 

[Shimso]

Did I miss something or did they not show the top of the 1st?

 

[p.l.f.]

Saturday, October 17, 1992 at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium in Atlanta, Georgia

Starting Lineups

TOR
White CF
Alomar 2B
Carter 1B
Winfield RF
Mondonaldo LF
Gruber 3B
Borders C
Lee SS
Morris P

man that's iffy

 

[LV*]

Saturday, October 17, 1992 at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium in Atlanta, Georgia

Starting Lineups

TOR
White CF
Alomar 2B
Carter 1B
Winfield RF
Mondonaldo LF
Gruber 3B
Borders C
Lee SS
Morris P

man that's iffy

Borders at C is iffy..?

 

[p.l.f.]

Borders at C is iffy..?

not defensively
offensively that group looks pretty weak

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Cabrera ain't going to repeat his roid production.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Got the job done didn't they?

 

[canucksfan]

Correction: It was, and remains to be: Tim McCarver.

 

[bossy22]

Saturday, October 17, 1992 at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium in Atlanta, Georgia

Starting Lineups

TOR
White CF
Alomar 2B
Carter 1B
Winfield RF
Mondonaldo LF
Gruber 3B
Borders C
Lee SS
Morris P

ATL
Nixon CF
Blauser SS
Pendleton 3B
Justice RF
Bream 1B
Gant 1B
Berryhill C
Lemke 2B
Glavin P

Game Recap

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_World_Series

Braves fans had plenty to worry about in regard to both starting pitchers. Tom Glavine's post-season career had been less than stellar, including giving up eight runs in the second inning of Game 6 of the NLCS against Pittsburgh. Entering Game 1, Glavine's career post-season record was 1–5 despite two starts where he had pitched complete games and only given up one run each time. Glavine was 0–2 in those starts. In addition to Glavine's struggles in the postseason the Braves would face Toronto ace Jack Morris in Game 1. The Braves were more than familiar with Morris, having faced him three times in the 1991 World Series. Then pitching for the Minnesota Twins, Morris started three games and defeated Atlanta twice. The second of those wins was in the decisive seventh game, when Morris pitched a ten-inning complete game shutout on his way to earning Series MVP honors. However, Morris' 1992 postseason had not gone particularly well. He lost Game 1 of the ALCS against Oakland despite a complete game, and gave up five runs in the third inning of Game 4 but ended up with a no-decision after Toronto rallied for an extra-inning victory.

Glavine gave up a home run to Joe Carter in the fourth for the first run of the Series, while Morris shut the Braves out for five innings. In the sixth, with two runners on and two out Damon Berryhill golfed a Morris pitch over the right-field wall for a three-run homer. It was all the offense Atlanta needed, and the Braves took the game by a 3–1 count. Glavine went the distance for the victory, only giving up four total hits. In taking the loss, Morris suffered his first career World Series defeat in his sixth start, with one no-decision. It would not be his last.

Berryhill's home run marked the first runs Morris had given up in the World Series since a Terry Pendleton home run in the bottom of the third inning of Game 4 of the 1991 Series. Morris pitched an additional 3 1⁄3 innings in that game, all ten in Game 7, and the first 5 2⁄3 innings of this game to run his scoreless innings streak in the World Series to 19.



Baseball Almanac Box Scores
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-scores/boxscore.php?boxid=199210170ATL

Toronto Blue Jays 1, Atlanta Braves 3

Game played on Saturday, October 17, 1992 at Fulton County Stadium

Toronto Blue Jays ab r h rbi
White cf 4 0 0 0
Alomar 2b 4 0 0 0
Carter 1b 4 1 1 1
Winfield rf 3 0 1 0
Maldonado lf 3 0 0 0
Gruber 3b 3 0 0 0
Borders c 3 0 2 0
Lee ss 3 0 0 0
Morris p 2 0 0 0
Stottlemyre p 0 0 0 0
Tabler ph 1 0 0 0
Wells p 0 0 0 0
Totals 30 1 4 1

Atlanta Braves ab r h rbi
Nixon cf 3 0 1 0
Blauser ss 4 0 0 0
Belliard ss 0 0 0 0
Pendleton 3b 4 0 0 0
Justice rf 2 1 0 0
Bream 1b 3 0 1 0
Gant lf 3 1 0 0
Berryhill c 4 1 1 3
Lemke 2b 3 0 1 0
Glavine p 2 0 0 0
Totals 28 3 4 3

Toronto 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 – 1 4 0
Atlanta 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 x – 3 4 0

Toronto Blue Jays IP H R ER BB SO
Morris L (0-1) 6.0 4 3 3 5 7
Stottlemyre 1.0 0 0 0 0 2
Wells 1.0 0 0 0 1 1
Totals 8.0 4 3 3 6 10

Atlanta Braves IP H R ER BB SO
Glavine W (1-0) 9.0 4 1 1 0 6
Totals 9.0 4 1 1 0 6

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E–None. DP–Atlanta 1. HR–Toronto Carter (1,4th inning off Glavine 0 on, 0 out), Atlanta Berryhill (1,6th inning off Morris 2 on, 2 out). SB–Nixon (1,2nd base off Morris/Borders); Gant (1,2nd base off Morris/Borders). WP–Morris (1). U–Jerry Crawford (NL), Mike Reilly (AL), Joe West (NL), Dan Morrison (AL), John Shulock (AL), Bob Davidson (NL). T–2:37. A–51,763.