Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 14th: Who is bigger, Dickey or Johnson?

[Mr Knies Guy]

Sign of an uneducated fan

Look at what is left. We didnt Mortgage our future in anyway.

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And I'M the uneducated fan? lulz get that useless comment outta here

 

[Stats01]

That wasn't my point at all, do you even read? I was replying to a post which was basically saying he was useless because he was down in the minors.

He's 17 there's a reason he's down in the minor, doesn't mean he sucks.

As for being upset we lost him I'm not. To be honest I didn't even know who he was. but when I say the proposed deal I didn't like it, I would have at least liked to have won the prospect deal which I don;'t think we did.

Clearly these prospects have some value to AA and the Mets GM or they wouldn't be in the deal, fans are allowed to comment about them too without getting a response such as the BS you've spewed to everyone who's been skeptical abput the deal.

He's a Cy Young winner, I guess we should sell the entire farm, that's the opinion you've had through this whole thing, fans are allowed to be skeptical, get over it

AA didn't sell the farm. I could go to our prospect list and give a run down on our current top 10 but I'm sure you've looked it over and made your opinion. How can someone argue with someone who's belief is that AA sold the farm for a CY Young Winner. Let's just forget the fact we still Sanchez, Nolin, Stroman, Osuna, Norris. Yeah we sold the farm..

 

[weems]

If you can find one person who made the claim that Travis D'Arnaud is expected to be the next Joe Mauer, I will give you a cookie.

I'm chalking this up to classic strawman though.



Not at all.

It basically works like this:

1) Make an argument.

2) See a troll response to said argument.

3) Ask poster to defend his response.

4) Poster says something like, "it's not worth it", which is pretty much translated as "I am in over my head".

5) Poster then proceeds to stick to his conviction with no clear substance.



What does this even mean in terms of the big picture?



For speaking the truth? Lol.

It means absolutely zero but Vegas is usually pretty spot on in there evaluations of sports team.

Just a cool thought I'd throw in.

 

[p.l.f.]

nickeas
#3 catcher with some major league experience
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/nickemi01.shtml

sure why not

 

[cyris]

Alright, everyone has to see the irony in that.

Yea that I didn't get. The post he reported was only an insult if he admits his original post was an insult.

 

[Future]

I'm happy the deal is done, but come on..... D'Arnaud should have been enough alone. So we're pretty much trading away Syndergaard, Buck, and Becerra for ****ing Thole.... My oh my. Why so much? Did they even negotiate or were the mets like "I want that guy, that guy, and oooohh him too! Oh... You can have Thole I guess..."

 

[Cool Beans Man]

I'm happy the deal is done, but come on..... D'Arnaud should have been enough alone. So we're pretty much trading away Syndergaard, Buck, and Becerra for ****ing Thole.... My oh my. Why so much? Did they even negotiate or were the mets like "I want that guy, that guy, and oooohh him too! Oh... You can have Thole I guess..."

Do you honestly think AA didn't try that?

 

[topched]

I'm not sure about you guys... or if someone is willing to do this when the time comes...

But I'd be willing to wager that in comparison to the other "Contending teams" in the MLB right now, we've still got one of if not the best farm system.

 

[cyris]

AA didn't sell the farm. I could go to our prospect list and give a run down on our current top 10 but I'm sure you've looked it over and made your opinion. How can someone argue with someone who's belief is that AA sold the farm for a CY Young Winner. Let's just forget the fact we still Sanchez, Nolin, Stroman, Osuna, Norris. Yeah we sold the farm..

We traded half our top 10 this winter. We didn't sell the farm but we did heavily deplete it.

 

[Scoogs]

R.A. Dickey ‏@RADickey43
Looking forward to a new chapter with the Jays.

https://twitter.com/RADickey43

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

Yea that I didn't get. The post he reported was only an insult if he admits his original post was an insult.

Which, since directed at me, if I was a ***** , I'd have reported myself because I found it insulting.

 

[Stats01]

We traded half our top 10 this winter. We didn't sell the farm but we did heavily deplete it.

Yeah and you don't think while we're contending we won't be replenishing that. Teams are allowed to contend and draft and develop haha

 

[Bad News Benning]

hate giving up good prospects. that being said you either go all in or you might as well trade joey bats and company. this team had to choose a direction and I'm glad they are going for it. we can't accept losers mentality. yanks and sox won't be vulnerable forever. Ican't wait to actually see meaningful baseball in September.

 

[Communal Blood]

R.A. Dickey ‏@RADickey43

Now that its official, I want to say that I don't have the words to express how grateful I am to you for the steadfast support and...

R.A. Dickey ‏@RADickey43

Encouragement I received from all of you.Ive always felt that there was a connection beyond the uniform.Thank you for making me feel wanted

R.A. Dickey ‏@RADickey43

Looking forward to a new chapter with the Jays

 

[Epictetus]

Oh also, the Toronto media needs to take lessons from the New York media on how to break a trade step-by-step.

 

[Animal]

sweet no cash involved in this deal

 

[p.l.f.]

#43 ?

 

[91Kadri91*]

I'm not sure about you guys... or if someone is willing to do this when the time comes...

But I'd be willing to wager that in comparison to the other "Contending teams" in the MLB right now, we've still got one of if not the best farm system.

EDIT: Oops, I misread your post.

Nonetheless, the Jays definitely don't have the best farm system among contenders. Texas has one of, if not the best, farm system in the league. If you give me a list of who you consider contenders, I could probably think of a few more that would be ahead of the Jays.

 

[Animal]

I don't think we're done. We were making offers to solid relief pitchers last week. This trade doesn't affect this season's payroll so i'm fully expecting a really good reliever signing soon

 

[cyris]

Yeah and you don't think while we're contending we won't be replenishing that. Teams are allowed to contend and draft and develop haha

No one is saying we cant draft and develop any more guys. but it will be much harder. No Haliday to trade, different draft rules, and less supplemental picks coming.

 

[Animal]

Woah, definitely not. Not even close. I'd say we'd be lucky to be top-20. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we were bottom-10 now.

I'm not complaining (although I do believe this most recent deal was an overpayment), as our major-league team has obviously improved substantially, I'm just saying that the Jays most definitely don't have the best farm system in the league. They arguably didn't have the best farm system before the Miami trade. Factor in the Miami trade and this trade, and I'd be ecstatic if we were still top-20.

If you actually read his post you'll realize thats not what he said

 

[Sokil]

"You're a madman Anthopolis, this ship will never fly!"

 

[Jamie Thomas]

I really don't get the condescending tone from many posters in this thread. Were they even there when AA made the big blockbuster with Miami? Everybody in the Jays thread was praising AA, labelling him a genius and nobody cared that they had to give some pretty good prospects because the value was certainly in favor of the Jays and that was an amazing deal.

Some fans only feel that giving up 2 top prospects + a legitimate one for a 38 years old cy young winner + 2 scrubs is overpaying. I feel the same way. I am happy to have Dickey, but I would have prefered to go in the season with already a pretty good rotation, see what this team is about and maybe make a move if needed next offseason to push them to the next level.

But yeah, those who are lukewarm about this trade are just delusional know nothing fans who only care about prospects. Whatever.

 

[TSA0402]

I would say he has proven he milked the old CBA quite well, we will not be able to draft talent like we did since they closed the loophole on us.

I see excuses. Toronto still has some viable arms in their system, although obviously they have been somewhat depleted. With the talent on their major league team, I fail to see the big deal.

If you can find one person who made the claim that Travis D'Arnaud is expected to be the next Joe Mauer, I will give you a cookie.

I'm sure if I wanted to waste my time strolling through thousands of posts, I can find several guys who think D'Arnaud is worth more than Dickey alone. Dickey is a Cy Young Winner and D'Arnaud still has question marks. He is a top prospect but far from an elite one.

 

[Scoogs]

Santos should be ready to go for spring training, yes?

We need serious stability back there.