Nah. They expected him to be better. Don't forget Travis D'arnaud is expected to be the next Joe Mauer.
Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 14th: Who is bigger, Dickey or Johnson?
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Nah. They expected him to be better. Don't forget Travis D'arnaud is expected to be the next Joe Mauer.
Who are you to say he won't be?
I'm certainly not saying he will be, but let's not act like it's a given that he won't be. Nobody knows what Syndergaard will be like at his peak.
but we could build for the future! Why are these damn blue jays always trying to win now??
weems
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Nickeas basically sucks besides the fact that hes a amazing defensive catcher (I know some stathead will now tell me otherwise) and pitchers RAVE about how he frames and recieves the ball. Literally everytime I would watch a game and he was starting the commentators would go on and on about how much pitchers talk about the guy and his ability to catch.
I would actually say theres a chance he catchs Dickey alot.
I would actually say theres a chance he catchs Dickey alot.
The ridiculousness has gone from moaning and complaining about D'Arnaud. They've huffed and puffed about him long enough, now it's time to complain about a 17 year old kid none of these guys knew about before today. Talk about being prospect brainwashed.
Toronto is contending now, and AA has proven he can bring in good young players via draft, and not just the Halladay deal.
Are you expecting him to screw up every draft for the next five years(assuming all goes well, of course).
Playing the odds that he by some fluke chance turns into something way above his potential is a fools game. He's projected *at most* to become a #2 pitcher.
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Cool Beans Man
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We really should be more patient as not only a Toronto Blue Jays fans, but as Toronto sports fans. We've been TOO lucky the last decade.
Woodman19
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It might make us favourites but we have not won a game yet. I know the prospects do not either but all you who are jumping for joy need to realize that games are still won on the field.
Will you all still be here in August if by some disaster the Jays are 10 games out?
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I'm dissapointed that we gave up what we gave up. Sure I want Dickey and sure I want to compete for a world series. I just feel we could have gotten more for D'Arnaud, and Syndergaard.
I don't think AA will be able to replinish the farm as quick. The loopholes he used before to get draft picks have been closed, and he doesn't have a Roy Halladay to trade to recoup prospects unless he tries to trade what we got now which probably means we're having a bad season which wouldn't be good considering we're supposed to be going for it.
Whatever, I'm happy we got Dickey, but we better at least make the playoffs. I'm not sold on the deal yet, but I'm open to accepting it, as I pretty much have to. Time will tell.
I don't think AA will be able to replinish the farm as quick. The loopholes he used before to get draft picks have been closed, and he doesn't have a Roy Halladay to trade to recoup prospects unless he tries to trade what we got now which probably means we're having a bad season which wouldn't be good considering we're supposed to be going for it.
Whatever, I'm happy we got Dickey, but we better at least make the playoffs. I'm not sold on the deal yet, but I'm open to accepting it, as I pretty much have to. Time will tell.
Woodman19
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I would say he has proven he milked the old CBA quite well, we will not be able to draft talent like we did since they closed the loophole on us.
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The odds are SUPREMELY stacked against Syndergaard of ever becoming a Cy Young award winner.
It is more outlandish to say Syndergaard will be a Cy Young calibre pitcher than that he wont.
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In Toronto, apparently we have a rebuilding complex.
We're just so used to it that we can't imagine a future...of the present.Given that he's only played 73 games in the majors, it's pretty hard to definitively state, using statistics, that he's a good, or bad, defensive catcher, so I'll take your word for it that he's good.
Wasnt his post only an insult if your post was an insult?
Are you reporting yourself???
My post wasnt really directed at you as much as the person you were responding to and others who disregard prospects.
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Basically Keith Hernandez would joke about how awful Nickeas was as a hitter but they would ******* the guy over how awesome he was at recieving the ball. Said hes never seen pitchers talk so much about a catcher and how he would catch and frame pitchs. Seems weird why the Jays would want both catcher in the deal and honestly if Dickey is going to have a personal catcher Nickeas makes perfect sense.
In Toronto, apparently we have a rebuilding complex.
Can't really blame the ones complaining, this city has been built on "hope for the future" for sooooo long. Kind of feel sorry for them :p
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That wasn't my point at all, do you even read? I was replying to a post which was basically saying he was useless because he was down in the minors.
He's 17 there's a reason he's down in the minor, doesn't mean he sucks.
As for being upset we lost him I'm not. To be honest I didn't even know who he was. but when I say the proposed deal I didn't like it, I would have at least liked to have won the prospect deal which I don;'t think we did.
Clearly these prospects have some value to AA and the Mets GM or they wouldn't be in the deal, fans are allowed to comment about them too without getting a response such as the BS you've spewed to everyone who's been skeptical abput the deal.
He's a Cy Young winner, I guess we should sell the entire farm, that's the opinion you've had through this whole thing, fans are allowed to be skeptical, get over it
If you can find one person who made the claim that Travis D'Arnaud is expected to be the next Joe Mauer, I will give you a cookie.
I'm chalking this up to classic strawman though.
Not at all.
It basically works like this:
1) Make an argument.
2) See a troll response to said argument.
3) Ask poster to defend his response.
4) Poster says something like, "it's not worth it", which is pretty much translated as "I am in over my head".
5) Poster then proceeds to stick to his conviction with no clear substance.
Bodog has the Jays as WS favorites
What does this even mean in terms of the big picture?
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Well, obviously, but no one can say definitively either way. No one really knows right now.
Obviously no one should expect Syndergaard to win a Cy Young (as the odds are definitely against him), but you can't also state that he definitely won't.
Neil Hamburger
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The future is now. We've got a WS contending team on paper, we can only hope it translates onto the field. We've got some of the most exciting players in the game to watch in guys like Reyes, Bautista, JJ, Dickey, EE, Morrow, and Lawrie.
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