That means nothing. The MLB draft is an absolute crapshoot.
Deck McGuire went 11th in his draft year, and he's not even a top-11 prospect in the Jays system.
Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 12th: We don't know Dickey (about any extension. Yet)
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That means nothing. The MLB draft is an absolute crapshoot.
Deck McGuire went 11th in his draft year, and he's not even a top-11 prospect in the Jays system.
See, I'm not sure I ever want to see Halladay in a Jays uniform again. He essentially said he didn't want to wait around while the Jays rebuilt, but rather go off and try to win somewhere else. Why should he get to come back once the Jays are ready to win?
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Ken Rosenthal said yesterday he doesn't see the Jays extending Dickey prior to being traded. I know that's just speculation, but it's scary to think what could happen.
He could have left way before he signed his extension with the Jays. He was very classy about the way he left, everyone understood the Jays weren't going to win anytime soon and he almost won a couple times with Philly.
Nasty Nazem
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Even if Dickey re-signs, that's an overpayment. I can't believe we're trading TDA in the first place but Syndergaard as well? Unless we're getting Wheeler back or something, this deal blows.
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Halladay wanted to win. The jays were showing no signs of getting even close to that and JP was a terrible gm that was here far too long. Which by default may have been a blessing in disguise. Anyway, you can never fault a guy for wanting to win. He did it with class and respect and gave the jays the ability to trade him for value instead of just walking away a year later leaving a comp pick. He was the class of the team then and would be again. He was also one of the best blue jays pitchers of all time. He should retire a jay IMO and seeing him win here for the first time would be epic
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Maybe AA values D'Arnaud and/or Syndergaard less than the unaffiliated scouting community? Maybe he values Dickey more? Perish the thought.
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Well considering he's put together the largest scouting group in baseball I'll just assume he takes their valuations very seriously
It would pretty much be free
Take the salary out of it at this point, since its a sunk cost. Its pretty much the Angels selling him for $4M, which based on how he's been seems about right.
He said he wanted to win. If the Jays gave him that chance he would stay if they couldn't they should trade him while they could get some value because he wouldn't resign.
He didn't have to let us trade him either he had a NTC.
Doc went through many bad years and multiple rebuilds without complaint. Resigned more than once and when he was close to FA let us make the trade that rebuilt our farm system. If he wants to come back he is more than welcome in my eyes. Also think what it would do for our team, it would add a legit ace pitcher without giving up 2 top 3 prospects.
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Dickey did acknowledge that he took the painkiller Toradol for most of the 2011 season to deal with some foot pain, and he also pitched nearly all of 2012 with an abdominal tear that required surgery this offseason.
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I'm sure he listens to his scouts. Neither Jon Heyman nor Baseball America are his scouts.
No it isnt.
TDA now is worth alot more than he was then. More than enough to make up for the difference of adding Wallace(Gose came later).
Syndergaard is atleast equal to Drabek who had already gone through Tommy John's surgery by the time we got him.
As reportedly constructed, that is the only way I will be okay with this deal. If the deal essentially ends up being d'Arnaud and Syndergaard for Dickey, I will be extremely disappointed.
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I have been willing to give AA the benefit of the doubt plenty of times but in previous deals there was at least some red flags to why he moved who he did. Snider did not appear to improve his penchant for striking out and Musgrove and Comer has velocity issues. There are no warts on either TDA or Syndergaard.
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Jesus, it's like having flash backs of Wakefield on Red Sox forums....
You need a personal catcher to catch a knuckleball. This is NOT an option. To give you a hint, the Red Sox traded Tim Wakefield's personal catcher to SD.....Only to trade for him back that same year because none of the other catchers could catch Wakefield.
And Just to make for damn sure he got to the game before Wakefield's start, they paid for a police escort to take him to Fenway.
If you look at the stats Thole for Buck is a "What the **** are you doing?!?!?!?" BUT you need that personal catcher. Need it. The Jays can afford to lose a little of Buck's offense for solid knuckleball catching.
Since people always ask for a hockey metaphor, do you want Micheal Leighton in net or Roberto Luongo?
Dickey + Thole for TDA + Buck. I say that is even. Why? 3 yrs of Dickey for 6 yrs of TDA. I'd say that's a push. You need Thole so Thole for Buck is a push. The Syn part I would offer for I. Davis. He's 25 young and hitting home runs. In fact I would offer extra for Davis.
For me if I was AA:
Dickey, Thole, I. Davis for TDA, Syn, Buck, (Low end) prospect.
You need a personal catcher to catch a knuckleball. This is NOT an option. To give you a hint, the Red Sox traded Tim Wakefield's personal catcher to SD.....Only to trade for him back that same year because none of the other catchers could catch Wakefield.
And Just to make for damn sure he got to the game before Wakefield's start, they paid for a police escort to take him to Fenway.
If you look at the stats Thole for Buck is a "What the **** are you doing?!?!?!?" BUT you need that personal catcher. Need it. The Jays can afford to lose a little of Buck's offense for solid knuckleball catching.
Since people always ask for a hockey metaphor, do you want Micheal Leighton in net or Roberto Luongo?
Dickey + Thole for TDA + Buck. I say that is even. Why? 3 yrs of Dickey for 6 yrs of TDA. I'd say that's a push. You need Thole so Thole for Buck is a push. The Syn part I would offer for I. Davis. He's 25 young and hitting home runs. In fact I would offer extra for Davis.
For me if I was AA:
Dickey, Thole, I. Davis for TDA, Syn, Buck, (Low end) prospect.
And eventually, he decided that winning was more important than being a Blue Jay. And I respect that decision, but in my mind, that should be the end of him being a Blue Jay. He shouldn't just be allowed to come back if the Jays become contenders.
And Taylor was traded for Wallace who was traded for Gose who was who AA wanted originally.
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