Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 10th: Melk Man Edition
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- Nov 22, 2005
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What I am trying to say is you can't play the best case scenario versus worst case scenario game. It's not the 38 year old basket case versus the can't miss young prospect.
If you are going to pump one guys tires, I figure you need to at least look at the other guy.
If you are going to pump one guys tires, I figure you need to at least look at the other guy.
weems
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It's also not smart to play the "Hes just a prospect and hasnt proven anything" card because that sounds way too Toronto Maple Leaf esque.
we better not be trade TDA, if dicky was younger and had more then 1 year of control i'd be all for it but not for a 38yo cy young winning knuckleballer with only 1 year of control.
getting him would vault us into a great spot but we all know in baseball all you got to do is make the playoffs then anything can happen.
baseball is to random to for us to go all in with little position players left in our system for the future and a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 20 years.
if you all think JPA is valuable think about how valuable TDA would be if he becomes 60-70% of what posey is, that's how i have him projected, i.e. a 270/340/550 hitter
getting him would vault us into a great spot but we all know in baseball all you got to do is make the playoffs then anything can happen.
baseball is to random to for us to go all in with little position players left in our system for the future and a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 20 years.
if you all think JPA is valuable think about how valuable TDA would be if he becomes 60-70% of what posey is, that's how i have him projected, i.e. a 270/340/550 hitter
- Aug 2, 2005
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Yes, yes you would.
Dallas did it with Iginla and have absolutely zero regrets. Yeah, it sucks not having that player. But regardless of a generational talent, you still may never win a cup - aka Calgary. Where-as Dallas celebrated with Lord Stanley that year.
Hell, the Jays did it with David Cone back in 1992 (Jeff Kent).
You don't trade a Steve Yzerman player for a 2nd line scorer. He won't have as a huge impact as a Steve Yzerman kind of player. Not even close.
This is all dumb hypotheticals right now
If you could guarantee that Dickey will take us to the promised land this year, you'd make the trade
If you could guarantee that D'Arnaud will become a top-3 catcher in the league for the next 10 years, you wouldn't make the trade.
No one knows either of these things, ergo all of these comparisons being thrown around make no sense.
If you could guarantee that Dickey will take us to the promised land this year, you'd make the trade
If you could guarantee that D'Arnaud will become a top-3 catcher in the league for the next 10 years, you wouldn't make the trade.
No one knows either of these things, ergo all of these comparisons being thrown around make no sense.
SB164
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It doesn't matter if it was going to guarantee you the Stanley Cup. Now, a 2nd line player doesn't really do much but someone who is going to make a difference (like my two examples above), maybe you do pull the trigger.
I'd trade any player on any roster for a Cup or World Series. No doubt in my mind.
But anyway, that's really stupid to discuss since that can't be guaranteed. But the guy said if it was guaranteed, so that's why I debated. If you traded D'Arnaud for Dickey and it guaranteed us the championship.. then hell yeah, I do it. But that's a really stupid way to look at things, IMO.
Lol at people talking about Dickey like he is some seasoned veteran, who at the age of 38, shouldn't be worth any young, cost controllable player (including Arencibia) because he has 1 year left on his deal.
It's intentionally wrong to ignore how great of an ace he is, and has been for the past couple of years.
However, would I trade for Dickey?
Not necessarily. It depends on the price and what else is available on the market. I'd rather upgrade the bullpen some more and develop a replacement or plan for Lind. Perhaps look into a long-term project at 2B, as well. These are positions where I would not necessarily mind flipping top prospects or pitching to upgrade. Even a guy like Bauer, who Arizona traded, would have been a very good target.
These are smart moves since you are not downgrading, but instead building up for the future by trading from positions of strengths to fill weaknesses.
It's intentionally wrong to ignore how great of an ace he is, and has been for the past couple of years.
However, would I trade for Dickey?
Not necessarily. It depends on the price and what else is available on the market. I'd rather upgrade the bullpen some more and develop a replacement or plan for Lind. Perhaps look into a long-term project at 2B, as well. These are positions where I would not necessarily mind flipping top prospects or pitching to upgrade. Even a guy like Bauer, who Arizona traded, would have been a very good target.
These are smart moves since you are not downgrading, but instead building up for the future by trading from positions of strengths to fill weaknesses.
Yes, but at the same time how often do you get to add a Cy Young-calibre pitcher at the price of either one top prospect, or a slightly above replacement level catcher and a good prospect?
You can sign comparables to Lind on the FA market for $6M per year or something, guys like Dickey are getting 5/80 and based on the extension talk the Jays are looking at something like 3/31 for him.
You can sign comparables to Lind on the FA market for $6M per year or something, guys like Dickey are getting 5/80 and based on the extension talk the Jays are looking at something like 3/31 for him.
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We will be when TDA is tearing up the league in 2 years and Dickey is dead from old age.
p.l.f.
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DECEMBER 14, 2012 8:22 PM
Mets in serious talks to trade R.A. Dickey to Toronto
BY ANDY MARTINO
All day Thursday and Friday, the Mets engaged in intense trade discussions regarding Cy Young Award-winner R.A. Dickey, and entered the weekend with the strong possibility that Dickey would soon become a Toronto Blue Jay, according to major league officials familiar with the situation.
While no deal was complete as of Friday night, and the exact package of players was not known, several industry sources predicted that Dickey would be dealt to Toronto, barring an unforeseen hitch in the talks.
If traded to the Blue Jays, Dickey is willing to sign a contract extension with his new club, a fact that could increase the Mets’ ability to ask for top talent.
As the Daily News has been reporting, Dickey has been asking for a two-year, $26 million contract extension,
Mets in serious talks to trade R.A. Dickey to Toronto
BY ANDY MARTINO
All day Thursday and Friday, the Mets engaged in intense trade discussions regarding Cy Young Award-winner R.A. Dickey, and entered the weekend with the strong possibility that Dickey would soon become a Toronto Blue Jay, according to major league officials familiar with the situation.
While no deal was complete as of Friday night, and the exact package of players was not known, several industry sources predicted that Dickey would be dealt to Toronto, barring an unforeseen hitch in the talks.
If traded to the Blue Jays, Dickey is willing to sign a contract extension with his new club, a fact that could increase the Mets’ ability to ask for top talent.
As the Daily News has been reporting, Dickey has been asking for a two-year, $26 million contract extension,
You would complain over a prospect doing well on another team over enjoying a playoff run and a few more with the team we have? This is what I don't get with some people. They are so focused on prospects that they totally forget what the purpose for them is, and what the whole point of having a successful major league team. If the Jays make the playoffs while making this trade then I give AA full credit and I wish D'Arnaud well. It's been way too long since this team made the playoffs.
p.l.f.
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wow
is it true ?
MLB Sports Report @MLBSportsReport
BREAKING: #BlueJays sign R.A. Dickey to a 3 year $62M contract.
is it true ?
MLB Sports Report @MLBSportsReport
BREAKING: #BlueJays sign R.A. Dickey to a 3 year $62M contract.
MugenSilverSiR
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Dickey is no Cone. Stop the comparison when you think that dickey can perform just like a cine did.
To be honest, I'm kind of surprised the Mets aren't willing to do that deal. 13 million for two years seems decent, have to be confident Rogers will pony up.
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