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Canada4Gold said:
I'm not a fan of banning the shift. I'm a big fan of strategy games, so seeing teams try to find their optimal strategy is something I like. Now they're going to make 1 thing they do illegal. I get it, the game is probably more exciting for the average fan if there's more offense, but it feels like you're handicapping the strategy.

I'm also quite annoyed that in-adaptable players who complained about the shift are about to get their way over guys who can use the whole field.
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They'll still be the semblance of a shift. It just won't be three guys fully on one side of the infield. But you could still have a SS on his side of second that covers once the ball is hit and the second more towards the middle. It just wouldn't be quite as dramatic of a shift if that makes sense. I like strategy but not at the cost of the game itself
 
the owners doing the "oh just one more thing" by trying to sneak the international draft in there is so incredibly nauseating.

In terms of the shift, this notion that bunting up the foul line is the grand solution to shifts is pretty off base. If you're a left handed hitter, for example, and the defence is shifted to the right side of the field, you're going to get pitched inside. You're not getting a 89 mph fastball middle-away to easily drop down a bunt.

In most cases, the odds are more in your favour if you stay true to trying to elevate the ball and hit it as hard as you can.
 
One thing that I could be down for is limiting how close to the hitter that fielders are allowed to be when the ball is pitched.

It's great to get a running start in a bunt situation, but if the hitter pulls the bat back and takes a quick swing, that fielder is now in grave danger.

Edit: Taking this one step further, infielders should be required to play on the traditional dirt section (ie not allowed to play short outfield or in on the grass)

I could be down with a 2 infielders per side rule, but the success of the shift really just speaks to the desire for three outcome baseball. By poking the ball the other way, you give up your chance for a home run.
 
Based on the Jays' success in IFA I selfishly hope we don't see a draft. Having said that, obviously it seems like a normal and fair way to distribute the talent. I can also see why the owners must want the draft - that's a lot of $ compared to what they can pay drafted talent
 
thehockeysong said:
Based on the Jays' success in IFA I selfishly hope we don't see a draft. Having said that, obviously it seems like a normal and fair way to distribute the talent. I can also see why the owners must want the draft - that's a lot of $ compared to what they can pay drafted talent
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The owners want the draft because all things being equal players are never going to pick a crappy organization to sign with if NYY or Toronto come calling. This is a case of the have-nots trying to lower the teams who invest in development down to their (Cheap!) level.

It's a recurring theme in baseball, where the owners who cry poor are trying to drag down the playing field.
 
As a jays fan i dont want the international draft. I also like the comp pick as jays lose a lot of players to free agency. Those two seem to be tied together. But as long as a deal gets done im cool with anything
 
Hoverhand said:
the owners doing the "oh just one more thing" by trying to sneak the international draft in there is so incredibly nauseating.

In terms of the shift, this notion that bunting up the foul line is the grand solution to shifts is pretty off base. If you're a left handed hitter, for example, and the defence is shifted to the right side of the field, you're going to get pitched inside. You're not getting a 89 mph fastball middle-away to easily drop down a bunt.

In most cases, the odds are more in your favour if you stay true to trying to elevate the ball and hit it as hard as you can.
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I mean, yeah they do. Defense shifts, pitcher still pitches away because down and away is where you get dead pull hitters to roll over the ball and hit weak grounders to the pull side.

I don't like getting rid of the shift, players will adapt eventually. The game has moved to 3-true outcome which lead to teams developing more pull hitters going for dingers in all situations. More and more teams going to heavy shifts will incentivize players/teams to develop a more all field approach which will kill the shift naturally. If players and/or teams don't want to adapt they'll be left behind, no need to cater to them.
 
Sounds like it wouldn't start until 2024 so it wouldn't effect the top player the Jays are linked to next year. It might have an effect if the Jays wanted to tap in to the line of Vladdy Sr's kids on the way lol
 
Hoverhand said:
In terms of the shift, this notion that bunting up the foul line is the grand solution to shifts is pretty off base. If you're a left handed hitter, for example, and the defence is shifted to the right side of the field, you're going to get pitched inside. You're not getting a 89 mph fastball middle-away to easily drop down a bunt.
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This logic assumes the bunter is so bad they can't inside-out a pitch or just take a step deeper into the batter's box. If the proposed idea is ultimately that players are sucking at something and they should try the easier route, then I say stop babying them and teach them to stop sucking.

I'm fine with the shifts being reduced. I did like the strategy aspect and teams should have been able to combat the shifts, but there was also a player safety issue what with four outfielders huddled in one field or three infielders all playing one side of the infield.
 
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So it looks like Espinal is really wants to play 3B. Guy is jacked!
 
TheBeastCoast said:
Sounds like it wouldn't start until 2024 so it wouldn't effect the top player the Jays are linked to next year. It might have an effect if the Jays wanted to tap in to the line of Vladdy Sr's kids on the way lol
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They are 2023 to go with Bonilla. Toronto may not be able to financially given the limited pool.
 
phillipmike said:
So it looks like Espinal is really wants to play 3B. Guy is jacked!
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If Espinal can keep his defensive profile at 3rd while adding even a little more power, he suddenly jumps into the upper class of 3B in baseball.

He finished 18th in WAR by a 3B in 246PA but would have been 2nd in WAR/500PA (keep in mind that he was the best defensive 3B in all of baseball with only Chapman and McMahon being close)
 
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Bjindaho said:
If Espinal can keep his defensive profile at 3rd while adding even a little more power, he suddenly jumps into the upper class of 3B in baseball.

He finished 18th in WAR by a 3B in 246PA but would have been 2nd in WAR/500PA (keep in mind that he was the best defensive 3B in all of baseball with only Chapman and McMahon being close)
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I'd have no issue with playing everyday at third.
 
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Players declined international draft. Cbt is close. But pre arb is still 25mil off. Dont see a deal anytime soon. Only way u see owners moving up on prearb is if players agree to 14 playoff teams
 
If either side was smart they would be locking themselves inside a boardroom until they figure this shit out. No leaving for a week to regroup...sit down and don't leave until you have cleaned up your mess.
 
It seems like the two sides have practically come together on the CBT and minimum salary. The question now is with the international draft and the pre-arb bonus pool
 
All parties should ashamed of themselves. What an embarrassment. These leagues are becoming trash
 
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