Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season IV: Off-season progression! (Lockout over: Jays acquire Chapman for 4 prospects!)

[Canada4Gold]

Imagine we're in a spot where the players union is protecting the umpires jobs. Robo umps were the best of those 4 suggestions.

 

[habamillions]

Still getting nowhere with negotiations. Have all the minor details sorted out but it comes down to the money

 

[rojac]

why would you give the better team a lead to start a game. What a stupid suggestion and something put in to clearly be removed so they could show they are willing to negotiate

Huh? It's a series lead not a game lead. Basically, a 2 out of 3 game series that starts with the higher team leading the series 1 game to nothing. As a result, the higher team only needs to win one game to win the series while the lower team needs to win 2 games to win the series. This would mean that the first round series would be at most 2 games with the lower-seeded team needing to win both to advance. If the higher-seeded team wins 1, they advance. The idea of course is to give a substantial advantage to a higher-seeded team, incentivizing owners to spend more on players to finish higher.

 

[Hoverhand]

Imagine we're in a spot where the players union is protecting the umpires jobs. Robo umps were the best of those 4 suggestions.

I wonder if there's a lot of disagreement among the pitchers and position players about whether robot umps would be good.

Still getting nowhere with negotiations. Have all the minor details sorted out but it comes down to the money

The players arent going to bend on CBT until the owners give them one ounce of good faith negotiating on it.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[dredeye]

maybe they think it will make teams try to get home field advantage and owners will spend more to compete.

Even then. I think it would make the league look like a joke. Imagine a team starting the Super Bowl up a touchdown.

 

[dredeye]

Huh? It's a series lead not a game lead. Basically, a 2 out of 3 game series that starts with the higher team leading the series 1 game to nothing. As a result, the higher team only needs to win one game to win the series while the lower team needs to win 2 games to win the series. This would mean that the first round series would be at most 2 games with the lower-seeded team needing to win both to advance. If the higher-seeded team wins 1, they advance. The idea of course is to give a substantial advantage to a higher-seeded team, incentivizing owners to spend more on players to finish higher.

I must have read it wrong. Either way it’s an awful idea. My point above is a similar scenario. Just a terrible idea

 

[canucksfan]

Has there been any talk of a cap floor?

 

[Bjindaho]

Has there been any talk of a cap floor?

No, because there are always owners who will reject any proposal that requires that they actively do anything to make money.

 

[Apex Predator]

What does CBT stand for?

 

[Ale Brew]

What does CBT stand for?

Competitive Balance Tax

 

[Hoverhand]

What does CBT stand for?

Depends on how much fun you're having

 

[Anthrax442]

Baseball fans are mostly to blame for the MLB lockout


Cathal Kelly, Damien Cox's ret@rded cousin

 

[Discoverer]

Baseball fans are mostly to blame for the MLB lockout


Cathal Kelly, Damien Cox's ret@rded cousin

There's absolutely no chance I'll read that, but it's funny... sometimes I assume the headline is just there to generate clicks and doesn't actually reflect the article. But when it's a dipshit like Kelly? He's definitely stupid enough that I believe he actually feels that way.

 

[Hoverhand]

I'm done with people saying "just meet in the middle!" when 1) The owners wont do that 2) the players would absolutely accept a middle ground deal at this point 3) If the owners did "meet in the middle" they would riddle it with the same major strings attached that they did right here.

 

[Killer Orcas]

haha i was listening to a podcast and they were talking about about our lineup if we signed freeman and traded for j ram.
assuming that lourdes would be in the trade..

1. springer(r)
2. ramirez(s)
3. vladdy(r)
4. freeman(l)
5. teoscar(r)
6. bo(r)
7. biggio(l)
8. grichuk(or whomever)
9. janssen(moreno)

that top 6 is by far the best in baseball, and if biggio can be more of what he was 2 years ago jeebuz!
its a very very long shot that it happens but mannnnnnnnnnn, thats pure sex.

is what the other manager would look like upon seeing that line up !!

 

[Anthrax442]

Even Montoyo couldn't fail with this lineup

 

[djdev]

is what the other manager would look like upon seeing that line up !!

its insane really lol.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Like 1 through 8 all are threats to hit the ball deep in that lineup.

I don't think a team actually needs that much firepower lol. Don't sign freddie (him not being in a Braves jersey is just...no, man.) and use the money to make sure the bullpen doesn't implode into a black hole again after 35 games.

A core of Springer, Teo, Bo and Vladdy with decent contributors like Grichuk, Biggio and then maybe a surprise breakout like Moreno is plenty of offense.

 

[djdev]

Like 1 through 8 all are threats to hit the ball deep in that lineup.

I don't think a team actually needs that much firepower lol. Don't sign freddie (him not being in a Braves jersey is just...no, man.) and use the money to make sure the bullpen doesn't implode into a black hole again after 35 games.

A core of Springer, Teo, Bo and Vladdy with decent contributors like Grichuk, Biggio and then maybe a surprise breakout like Moreno is plenty of offense.

tbh i want j ram for the defense and switch hitting ability just as much as his offense, hes a perfect fit for this team(age as well)
that idea was just for fun since i dont think its neccessary either, but if vladdy ever learned how to 3b hes perfect

 

[KapG]

Banning the shift lol. Is this professional sports we are talking about? These guys are in the majors but can’t hit the f***ing ball the other way? I’m sorry but baseball is a bit of a clown show

 

[GreytWun]

Banning the shift lol. Is this professional sports we are talking about? These guys are in the majors but can’t hit the f***ing ball the other way? I’m sorry but baseball is a bit of a clown show

Hitting a baseball in the majors is already hard enough. You think they can just magically guess every pitch is coming so they can hit the ball to the opposite field ? Have you played baseball at a high level before ?

 

[Bjindaho]

Hitting a baseball in the majors is already hard enough. You think they can just magically guess every pitch is coming so they can hit the ball to the opposite field ? Have you played baseball at a high level before ?

They absolutely can hit around the shift. The problem is that players are so primed for true three outcome at-bats that they won't take the free hit (even if it is always the right play).

One of the big problems here is that MLB is so out of tune with the problem. Teams shifting to make it harder to get a hit is perfectly fine. The problems start when every at-bat lasts 5-10 pitches because of 3 outcome baseball.

 

[phillipmike]

Banning the shift lol. Is this professional sports we are talking about? These guys are in the majors but can’t hit the f***ing ball the other way? I’m sorry but baseball is a bit of a clown show

It isn’t ideal but every sport has a rule where you can stand before a play. If you’re in violation then you get penalized.

-NFL: Illegal Formation before the snap (yardage penalty)
-NBA: Line up at Tip off and on the foul line for free throws (other team gets possession and possibly a team foul)
-NHL: Face offs (thrown out the circle and possibly a penalty)

Even other sports like tennis; you’re only allowed to start a play on certain parts of the court when serving and returning.

To me the simplest rule is you’re only allowed 2 infielders on one side of 2nd base and the remaining 2 on the other side before the pitch is thrown. And if you violate then the play is blown dead and the batter gets a ball in the count and if it’s done with 3 balls, you get a walk.

 

[rojac]

It isn’t ideal but every sport has a rule where you can stand before a play. If you’re in violation then you get penalized.

-NFL: Illegal Formation before the snap (yardage penalty)
-NBA: Line up at Tip off and on the foul line for free throws (other team gets possession and possibly a team foul)
-NHL: Face offs (thrown out the circle and possibly a penalty)

Even other sports like tennis; you’re only allowed to start a play on certain parts of the court when serving and returning.

To me the simplest rule is you’re only allowed 2 infielders on one side of 2nd base and the remaining 2 on the other side before the pitch is throw. And if you violate then the play is blown dead and the batter gets a ball in the count and if it’s done with 3 balls, you get a walk.

Also, it's not that unusual for leagues to change what the defense is allowed to do with the idea of increasing offense.

I wonder how it work if you had a system likes yours for limiting shfts but penalties only took place after the first 3 (or 2 or whatever) times a team did it. This would allow a manager to use the shift strategically.