Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season IV: Off-season progression! (Lockout over: Jays acquire Chapman for 4 prospects!)

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Striplings quote on negotiations:

I could be wrong about this but my suspicions are that the majority of owners would simply raise the CBA to 230-235 million with similar language to the current CBA and get this done.

But a simple majority is not enough. My understanding is that it requires 23 of the 30 owners to approve a new CBA and it only takes 8 to vote one down. I think that there is a group of at least 8 hardcore "poor" owners (that is, owners who want to be able to operate with a low payroll but don't want the CBT to be so high that the "rich" teams can completely price them out of the player market.

The players want more money available to them. This could also be done with a salary floor, but from what I've heard the players want nothing to do with a floor -- although they also want revenue sharing teams to spend that money on payrolls and I'm not sure how you do that without some kind of a minimum payroll. I don't know if something where a team's minimum payroll was based on the revenue sharing received with some minimum also set for non-revenue sharing teams (to keep a team like Baltimore from whining that they have a minimum payroll but Toronto, NY, and Boston don't).

I think it's primarily the veteran players who are pushing for the higher CBT. Some of them likely see the increased money going to pre-arbitration and early arbitration players as taking potential money from them. Also, with increased playoffs, there is a worry that teams will be able to spend less and still make the playoffs, so they want to make up for that by allowing the teams that are willing to spend lots of money to be able to spend even more without penalty.

So, it may take a softening of hardliners on both sides to get this done.

But his is pure speculation on my part. And I don't really have a deep enough understanding of the issues involved to seriously comment on what it would take to get an agreement.
 
Again, the league has gone on strike 3 times. All three were directly caused by the owners (they literally offered CBAs that were worse than the existing deal in each case).

We are already in a better position than we've ever been when the league has had a strike.

Also, the differences could be mediated (or arbitrated) if the owners were interested in anything other than flat out winning (which they aren't).

The owners offered federal mediation. The players, based on past experiences, don't like federal mediation and refused.
 
The players want more money available to them. This could also be done with a salary floor, but from what I've heard the players want nothing to do with a floor -- although they also want revenue sharing teams to spend that money on payrolls and I'm not sure how you do that without some kind of a minimum payroll. I don't know if something where a team's minimum payroll was based on the revenue sharing received with some minimum also set for non-revenue sharing teams (to keep a team like Baltimore from whining that they have a minimum payroll but Toronto, NY, and Boston don't).

The problem with the proposed floor was that it came along with decreasing the CBT to $180M and had harsher first time + repeater penalties, so it would likely have resulted in an overall salary decrease.

Which is a shame because the floor is the most logical thing needed here.
 
Apparently one of things that was slipped in at the last minute was giving the league the ability to change any rule with 45 days notice and the players get no say.
 
Why wouldn't the owners just pay the damn employees given that they are ones who have locked out the players?

M7 guess is that some probably will and others won't -- just like NHL owners during the early part of the pandemic. Of course, the players will present it as though all the owners aren't paying employees. Any comment from either the players or the owners is going to be designed to make their side look good or the other side look bad. I'm not sure that you can take either sides' comments at face value.
 
Strange proposal for the union. Division leaders start up 1-0 in playoff game. Wild card team would have to win 2 straight
 
Live look at Blitzkrug when he realizes he realizes the Topps Now cards he relies on to make money in MLB 22 won't be there at launch because of the lockout

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In all seriousness, if the Players need to be viewed as the asshole to get much needed changes to how the MLB operates, then maybe that's what needs to be done.

With how much of a gongshow negotiations were to save the 2020 season in some capacity pretty much everyone saw this coming.
 
why would you give the better team a lead to start a game. What a stupid suggestion and something put in to clearly be removed so they could show they are willing to negotiate

maybe they think it will make teams try to get home field advantage and owners will spend more to compete.
 
Here is my completely off the wall solution for 14 teams in the playoffs.

First round all best of 5.....and the higher seeded team gets all home games. That is the incentive for the owners to spend. Then have series where #2 meets #7, #3 meets #6, and #4 meets #5. Those home games mean big money for the owners.

Now instead of punishing the two #1 seeds financially for getting a bye (and to keep them in game shape), have them play a mini series (2 out of 3) or even a single game to determine which league gets home field advantage in the World Series. Keeps those teams from getting cold, and it puts money into those owners pockets where there would have none.

Once all that is done, you are left with 8 teams who then play the standard home and away normal playoffs, and no team is cold from sitting for up to a week.

Just a thought that could work for all.

The players know the owners will spend more to get those extra home games, so having a larger playoff won't de-incentivize teams from spending money to improve their seeding if they know they can make it up and more in the playoffs.
 
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