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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Edition III: Spring Training Madness (Spring Training is over. Season starts on Thursday, Mar 30)

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Kurtz said:
Yeah, they might have to rethink this rule, because that's a free base right there:

Or we're about to enter the running era.
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If he had paid more attention to Merrifield, he would have had him picked off.

Useless pickoff attempts will likely go down, but there will be more cat and mouse.

Also, the Tiedemann strike in the 4th (clock violation by McCutcheon) was a blown call by the ump. By rule, the pitcher has to be on the rubber at the 8 second mark or there is automatic ball (which means that the ump should have assessed a ball AND a strike)
 
Kurtz said:
Yeah, they might have to rethink this rule, because that's a free base right there:

Or we're about to enter the running era.
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I don't see that as a free base at all. All the pitcher had to do was step off and Merrifield would have been caught in no-man's-land.
 
So the ump hears a buzz if there's a clock violation, correct? Does he hit a button to start the timer, or is someone up in the press box doing that?
 
Discoverer said:
I don't see that as a free base at all. All the pitcher had to do was step off and Merrifield would have been caught in no-man's-land.
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I don’t think he can step off under the new rule?

They’re definitely trying to force the pace of the game and small ball.

What you might see happen are more pitch outs when they think guys are going to run. Or more fastballs.

Honestly I think it’s a bit too much change at once. It will be chaos.
 
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BertCorbeau said:
I don’t think he can step off under the new rule?

They’re definitely trying to force the pace of the game and small ball.

What you might see happen are more pitch outs when they think guys are going to run. Or more fastballs.

Honestly I think it’s a bit too much change at once. It will be chaos.
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The pitcher can step off, but if he doesn't get Merrifield out, it is a balk.
 
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Also, catcher pickoff attempts do not count towards the pitcher disengagement rule, but unless the runner is out, they technically eat into the pitcher's 20 seconds.

Bjindaho said:
The pitcher can step off, but if he doesn't get Merrifield out, it is a balk.
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Another fun fact (which Merrifield likely forgot) is that when he successfully stole second, the pitcher gained two more disengagements.
 
Bjindaho said:
The pitcher can step off, but if he doesn't get Merrifield out, it is a balk.
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Exactly. If you don't step off there, Merrifield is going to easily get into 2B. If you do step off, either you get him out, or he gets in safely, in which case... it counts as a balk and he gets 2B, which he already did and which would have happened if you hadn't stepped off.

A straight pickoff move to first, even when the runner has a big lead, is a lot riskier in that situation. But if the runner is on the move, there's no downside to stepping off and trying to catch him.
 
Discoverer said:
Exactly. If you don't step off there, Merrifield is going to easily get into 2B. If you do step off, either you get him out, or he gets in safely, in which case... it counts as a balk and he gets 2B, which he already did and which would have happened if you hadn't stepped off.

A straight pickoff move to first, even when the runner has a big lead, is a lot riskier in that situation. But if the runner is on the move, there's no downside to stepping off and trying to catch him.
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So if he successfully steals 2B on the third disengagement, he doesn't get awarded an extra base (i.e. goes to 3rd)? Didn't watch minor league ball so not familiar with how this rule plays out.
 
Eyedea said:
So if he successfully steals 2B on the third disengagement, he doesn't get awarded an extra base (i.e. goes to 3rd)? Didn't watch minor league ball so not familiar with how this rule plays out.
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The rule says that if disengages a 3rd time and doesn't retire a runner, a balk is called. The reset would only apply after the play to the best of my understanding.

I believe that the runner would be awarded a base from the end of the play (if he wasn't awarded an extra base, it would create an incentive to simply throw over the 3rd time if you know the guy is going).
 
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Bjindaho said:
The rule says that if disengages a 3rd time and doesn't retire a runner, a balk is called. The reset would only apply after the play to the best of my understanding.

I believe that the runner would be awarded a base from the end of the play (if he wasn't awarded an extra base, it would create an incentive to simply throw over the 3rd time if you know the guy is going).
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The Pirates broadcasters talked about it during the game yesterday and they believe that the rule works that way as well.
 
Discoverer said:
I'm basing it on this, but maybe it's off: What you need to know about MLB's 2023 rule changes

"How it will be enforced: After a third step-off, the pitcher will be charged with a balk, unless at least one offensive player advances a base or an out is made on the ensuing play after the step off."
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Weird, because MLB.com's version seems to directly contradict it

www.mlb.com

Pitch timer, shift restrictions among announced rule changes for '23

A pitch timer, limits on defensive shifts and bigger bases are coming to Major League Baseball in 2023. Following recent experiments in the Minor Leagues, the recently formed Joint Competition Committee voted Friday in favor of three rule changes aimed at improving pace of play, action and...
www.mlb.com www.mlb.com

  • If a third pickoff attempt is made, the runner automatically advances one base if the pickoff attempt is not successful.
 
Bjindaho said:
Weird, because MLB.com's version seems to directly contradict it

www.mlb.com

Pitch timer, shift restrictions among announced rule changes for '23

A pitch timer, limits on defensive shifts and bigger bases are coming to Major League Baseball in 2023. Following recent experiments in the Minor Leagues, the recently formed Joint Competition Committee voted Friday in favor of three rule changes aimed at improving pace of play, action and...
www.mlb.com www.mlb.com

  • If a third pickoff attempt is made, the runner automatically advances one base if the pickoff attempt is not successful.
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Ah, so a third pickoff attempt is allowed - as long as it succeeds. That does give the pitcher a bit more of a sporting chance then.
 
Bjindaho said:
Weird, because MLB.com's version seems to directly contradict it

www.mlb.com

Pitch timer, shift restrictions among announced rule changes for '23

A pitch timer, limits on defensive shifts and bigger bases are coming to Major League Baseball in 2023. Following recent experiments in the Minor Leagues, the recently formed Joint Competition Committee voted Friday in favor of three rule changes aimed at improving pace of play, action and...
www.mlb.com www.mlb.com

  • If a third pickoff attempt is made, the runner automatically advances one base if the pickoff attempt is not successful.
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I don't think that necessarily contradicts it... it's just less specific and more open to interpretation. Is it one base from the original base or where he ended up after the play?
 


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Toronto Blue Jays manager John Schneider spoke to media ahead of their game against the Minnesota Twins on Wednesday and gave an update on how Vlad Guerrero’s recovery is progressing and what steps they’re taking as of now.
 
BertCorbeau said:
I don’t think he can step off under the new rule?

They’re definitely trying to force the pace of the game and small ball.

What you might see happen are more pitch outs when they think guys are going to run. Or more fastballs.

Honestly I think it’s a bit too much change at once. It will be chaos.
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They’ll be forced to make changes again once it really screws up an important game. Like last out of a series clinching game on some weird new rule

hockeywiz542 said:
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Just helping out his new team
 
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That was the big question mark with the Yankees rotation was health. Without Rodon and Montas it’s not a top rotation anymore. Bader also might be injured as well.
 
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