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Oakland A's to play in Sacramento for a few years while Las Vegas stadium is built

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An Interim plan was long overdue. 1 lame duck season in Oakland is bad enough. Another 3 would have been worse.

The meeting with the city on their offer wasn't nothing more than political posturing IMO
 
Sucks for the fans but Oakland is going to complete shit so this was inevitable. At least fans will have the Giants nearby if they still want to attend MLB games, and future generations will have a team in the region to follow. Much prefer having a team in Vegas than Oakland and I can't wait to attend some Angels games on the strip
 
Sacramento has ambitions to be a permanent MLB market. Wonder if locals will view this as a test run for future expansion/relocation, a la the Oklahoma City Hornets after Katrina, or if they'll view it as an affront to be merely a temporary host for another city's team, a la the Memphis Oilers?
 
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MMC said:
Sucks for the fans but Oakland is going to complete shit so this was inevitable. At least fans will have the Giants nearby if they still want to attend MLB games, and future generations will have a team in the region to follow. Much prefer having a team in Vegas than Oakland and I can't wait to attend some Angels games on the strip
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f*** that noise. I'm not gonna just go and spend money on a franchise that is single handedly responsible for driving them out of the area.
 
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No Fun Shogun said:
Sacramento has ambitions to be a permanent MLB market. Wonder if locals will view this as a test run for future expansion/relocation, a la the Oklahoma City Hornets after Katrina, or if they'll view it as an affront to be merely a temporary host for another city's team, a la the Memphis Oilers?
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I think Ranadive is (somewhat) banking on Las Vegas falling apart and being there to absorb the team on a full time basis.
 
Voight said:
I think Ranadive is (somewhat) banking on Las Vegas falling apart and being there to absorb the team on a full time basis.
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California cities don't seem to have an appetite to give over half a billion for a stadium to work and Ranadive is estimated to have a 1.5 billion net worth mostly from the NBA Kings ownership.

I don't see how he could be much help to Fisher for money or how he could afford the price to take it off his hands.
 
Vegan Knight said:
California cities don't seem to have an appetite to give over half a billion for a stadium to work and Ranadive is estimated to have a 1.5 billion net worth mostly from the NBA Kings ownership.

I don't see how he could be much help to Fisher for money or how he could afford the price to take it off his hands.
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Whos to say he'd be the sole owner?
 
Going to be funny when it's 2028 and people are going to be taking about this like it's the Coyotes in a college stadium because the Tropicana fell through

I know tourism is something in the equation but on no level does it make sense that the Bay Area with all it's population and money has the same number of teams as Las Vegas.
 
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willy702 said:
Going to be funny when it's 2028 and people are going to be taking about this like it's the Coyotes in a college stadium because the Tropicana fell through

I know tourism is something in the equation but on no level does it make sense that the Bay Area with all it's population and money has the same number of teams as Las Vegas.
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You can blame the bad territorial agreement the A's signed with the Giants, and the Giants refusal to tear it up.

Without that, the A's probably would've built a new park in San Jose years ago.
 
IU Hawks fan said:
You can blame the bad territorial agreement the A's signed with the Giants, and the Giants refusal to tear it up.

Without that, the A's probably would've built a new park in San Jose years ago.
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It wasn't even a territorial agreement, it was totally just botched by MLB when they merged the AL & NL constitution and operating agreement into one MLB constitution in 1999.

Because they were two different leagues, what the A's signed was saying that the Giants had the right to operate an NL team in San Jose; but it was never meant to say the A's DIDN'T have the right to operate an AL team there. MLB just screwed it up.


That being said, this whole thing is a travesty/shitshow and it's ridiculous no one with common sense can say "Hey, wait a minute....this is all very stupid and bad for business."
 
KevFu said:
This is exactly it. Sacramento isn't even charging the A's anything to be there.

They're viewing it as an opportunity to backdoor into having an MLB team.
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That's probably the most plausible way to get a team in Sacramento, so good thinking on his part if that's what he's going for. At least then we can partway stick the landing and have them be the California Athletics, if they won't stay in Oakland.
 
ponder719 said:
That's probably the most plausible way to get a team in Sacramento, so good thinking on his part if that's what he's going for. At least then we can partway stick the landing and have them be the California Athletics, if they won't stay in Oakland.
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Personally, I think Sacramento's best bet is a DIFFERENT team, because they're not far enough away to make the Giants fans in the market switch teams. But a new team called the Sacramento Whatevers possibly could.
 
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Personally, I think Sacramento's best bet is a DIFFERENT team, because they're not far enough away to make the Giants fans in the market switch teams. But a new team called the Sacramento Whatevers possibly could.
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That would probably result in the most resilient franchise going forward, but the odds of it happening are much, much lower than the odds of Fisher ruining the Vegas plan and him having to keep the team in Sacramento, so this is probably their best bet of getting a team at all.
 
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Personally, I think Sacramento's best bet is a DIFFERENT team, because they're not far enough away to make the Giants fans in the market switch teams. But a new team called the Sacramento Whatevers possibly could.
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I get Fisher may have a reputation but the people he's partnered with tend to be good about their business dealings and they haven't seemed bothered at any point in the process so far. Ballys just said they're on track clearing out the land and everything was on schedule to hand the property keys to the A's in five or six months.
 
Vegan Knight said:
I get Fisher may have a reputation but the people he's partnered with tend to be good about their business dealings and they haven't seemed bothered at any point in the process so far. Ballys just said they're on track clearing out the land and everything was on schedule to hand the property keys to the A's in five or six months.
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Oh, my points weren't about that.

For decades BEFORE Fisher, the territory has been shared between Giants and A's. Its part of the TV market for both teams. The people of Sacramento have lived their lives with the Giants and A's as "their teams" and picked one.

I'm saying that having the A's play in actual Sacramento is not going to make any Giants fans in or around Sacramento switch allegiances. The A's have ALWAYS been more accessible to them than the Giants by a few miles or train stops. Now it's just 8 miles instead of 80.

But a new team coming to Sacramento is a totally different dynamic. An expansion team would create a brand, one that (a) belongs only to Sacramento and (b) hasn't been rivals with the Giants for 50+ years. The A's brand has belonged to Philly, KC, Oakland, Vegas kinda and now the A's aren't even going by "Sacramento As" while they're here!

A new team creates a bond with the city -- much like how Vegas is kinda balking at the idea of the As while they welcomed the Golden Knights. The Knights are proudly "Vegas Born" and the A's are "looking for a stadium."

A Sacramento expansion team might get like 25-40% of the Giants fans to switch loyalties, max. (and of course, over time the kids growing up would tilt the fan ratio in the market but that would take generations).

The Sacramento A's might get 2-5% of Giants fans switching loyalties max.
 
KevFu said:
Oh, my points weren't about that.

For decades BEFORE Fisher, the territory has been shared between Giants and A's. Its part of the TV market for both teams. The people of Sacramento have lived their lives with the Giants and A's as "their teams" and picked one.

I'm saying that having the A's play in actual Sacramento is not going to make any Giants fans in or around Sacramento switch allegiances. The A's have ALWAYS been more accessible to them than the Giants by a few miles or train stops. Now it's just 8 miles instead of 80.

But a new team coming to Sacramento is a totally different dynamic. An expansion team would create a brand, one that (a) belongs only to Sacramento and (b) hasn't been rivals with the Giants for 50+ years. The A's brand has belonged to Philly, KC, Oakland, Vegas kinda and now the A's aren't even going by "Sacramento As" while they're here!

A new team creates a bond with the city -- much like how Vegas is kinda balking at the idea of the As while they welcomed the Golden Knights. The Knights are proudly "Vegas Born" and the A's are "looking for a stadium."

A Sacramento expansion team might get like 25-40% of the Giants fans to switch loyalties, max. (and of course, over time the kids growing up would tilt the fan ratio in the market but that would take generations).

The Sacramento A's might get 2-5% of Giants fans switching loyalties max.
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I agree with the basic sentiment but 2-5% seems a bit low.
 
LadyStanley said:
www.reviewjournal.com

A’s may hire firm to secure financing for $1.5B Strip ballpark

The Oakland Athletics are considering hiring an investment firm to assist team owner John Fisher in securing financing for construction of their planned Strip ballpark.
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Contracting with investment firm to find (Nevada resident) investors to help finance ball park.
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I don't recall too many teams requiring investors this late in the stage of ballpark building.

Maybe I am wrong.
 
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