Post-Game Talk: NYR @ WSH Game I: An Implosion Of Modest Proportions

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
The reason the Rangers struggle to score on offense is because their defense has struggled to clear the puck out of the zone and make good break-out passes. Our "dump and chase" doesnt work, because we dont even chase half the time. Most of the offensive lines shift is spent in our own zone, chipping the puck around trying to clear it. Once they finally manage to get it out of the zone, they are dead tired and dump it deep and go for a change. That is why our offense struggles. On nights when they other team lacks a solid forecheck, or we move the puck quickly and decisively, we win games. I have full confidence this team will bounce back. We win this game without that PP goal. Washington wont beat us many games 5 on 5, but give me them 5-6 chances on the PP and we'll be chasing.
 
True, Cally and Stepan were great, along with Hags on the PK, but if we want to win, we need more from them in the other areas. PP, ES
 
True, Cally and Stepan were great, along with Hags on the PK, but if we want to win, we need more from them in the other areas. PP, ES

Oh I agree completely just pointing out that he's not totally useless like the other two when he's not producing (though he did have an assist). Richie and Nash did good on their :20 of PK time though I guess lol.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that they've been mostly practicing the PK the last 4 days and forgot about the other aspects of the game. Because they looked beastly at times against the well oiled machine that is the Caps PP. Stepan and Callahan especially. Do us all a favor and work on the transition game, Torts :P
 
The reason the Rangers struggle to score on offense is because their defense has struggled to clear the puck out of the zone and make good break-out passes. Our "dump and chase" doesnt work, because we dont even chase half the time. Most of the offensive lines shift is spent in our own zone, chipping the puck around trying to clear it. Once they finally manage to get it out of the zone, they are dead tired and dump it deep and go for a change. That is why our offense struggles. On nights when they other team lacks a solid forecheck, or we move the puck quickly and decisively, we win games. I have full confidence this team will bounce back. We win this game without that PP goal. Washington wont beat us many games 5 on 5, but give me them 5-6 chances on the PP and we'll be chasing.

Definitely. Amen.

And -- once in the attacking zone -- we don't end up in the corners because we can't do better. It.Is.Our.Gameplan.

Get the puck below the hashmarks. Slow the other team down (if you keep the puck in the corners and along the boards in the attacking zone, the defending team picks up their players, and aren't set to counter attack). And take it from there. Its outspokenly our strategy.

We open up our D's alot, but they gives us very little offensive punch. I've watched alot of the Sedins in Vancouver over the years, they get a ton of attention down low, but it open up their D's and -- IMHO -- half avg offensive D's can put up decent offensive numbers for them because they get so much space. Our D's are a step behind the Edlers of the league offensively.

The thinking is also more or less flawed, because while we do not make many big blunders al la Marek Malik (because we never pass the puck), we loose a ton of pucks around the offensive blueline that we have just shipped out of our end, and when we give teams chancea after chance after chance to counter attack on us from that postion, our D's are exposed sooner or later and we give up a ton of breakaways etc. You can watch 3-4 PO's games without seing one breakaway, then we play and we give up 2-3 on a nightly basis.

We also have no passing game, so when we go on the PP we have to adopt tremendously and play a completely diffrent game than we do 5 on 5. Its tough when your special teams not only never gets you on the board, but so often sucks a ton of energy out of the team instead.

Also, of the forwards not having played OT hockey yet, our forward are 1, 2, 3 and 4 in the entire PO's in ice time. When our game is -- soley -- based on hard work and forcing the other team to make misstakes, why do we play our top 6 forwards the most of all teams? They are tired on the ice late in games! When we get behind, Torts keeps sending the same players out shift after shift, and they never have anything left. You cannot play hockey 2013 with gassed players on the ice. Why does we not learn this?

Poorly coached team.
 
Not really. Teams like the Hawks and Penguins come back from being down all the time. I'd love to watch a team regularly where the game isn't over if the other team goes up 2 goals.

Edit: Add the caps to that as well

I saw Chicago the other night, it litterary made me depressed.

Jesus christ they pass the puck up ice every shift. Manage it so well. They have worked on their game year after year for so long.

If we ever wake up and decides to start trying to put together a team that plays like the best teams in this league, it will be like someone weighing 400 lbs deciding to dedicate their life to winning a fitness competition...
 
When I read that losing Game1 by a 3-1 margin on the road is a loss of epic implosion, I can't help but wonder if someone who believes that is experiencing their first ever playoff game.
Losing 7-0 in a Game 7 would be such an experience.
 
I saw Chicago the other night, it litterary made me depressed.

Jesus christ they pass the puck up ice every shift. Manage it so well. They have worked on their game year after year for so long.

If we ever wake up and decides to start trying to put together a team that plays like the best teams in this league, it will be like someone weighing 400 lbs deciding to dedicate their life to winning a fitness competition...
Fortunately, I haven't watched the Hawks much at all. I'm pretty sure it would indeed get me depressed as well to watch how they play the game and how this team plays like an intoxicated lama, with a game plan that worked in 1992 and refusing to not play pure defensemen like Girardi on the PP.
 
we weren't terrible last night.. they got the bounces.. hank has to make those 2 saves.. and the reffing was HORRIBLE... we def got screwed.. but all said and done we didn't capitalize on the PPs we were given.. not to disappointed with how we played.. it will be a long series.. but game 2 is a must win!!
 
I saw Chicago the other night, it litterary made me depressed.

Jesus christ they pass the puck up ice every shift. Manage it so well. They have worked on their game year after year for so long.

If we ever wake up and decides to start trying to put together a team that plays like the best teams in this league, it will be like someone weighing 400 lbs deciding to dedicate their life to winning a fitness competition...

The reason Chicago is better than the Rangers at that stuff is talent not time spent on practice.

Reading through this thread is bizarre. If the Rangers had won, I would be reading how people think we have a legit shot of winning the Cup. As much overreacting as there is during the regular season here, I forgot how bad it can get during the playoffs.

Hold off on those suicides until they lose 4 games in a series.
 
Rangers win the next one we're still in it. Lose it and I'm afraid it will be a quick series.

I'm just amazed at all the dumb penalties they took. You'd think they would be extra careful knowing how lethal the Craps PP is. Nope. Typical Rangers.
 
Another reason why the pp sucks is losing the face off every time. That killed us last night
 
The Rangers are an undersized team, and even moreso without Staal, Boyle, and Clowe. This is a problem when opponents get the forecheck going against them, as they lack the physical strength to quickly get the puck back and clear the zone.
 
It is the line cycling! ****ing ey! After 3 minutes Sam said, Torts is cycling the lines ... it is ridiculous ... its is ****ing PO-time and he is still not set on lines ... it makes me sick to the stomach

and our injured players, yes thats a big factor too. But that's no excuses for the no-show ...
 
One Cup in 73 years.
19 years since the last Cup.

This "big market" team will turn your "sports life" into a never-ending nightmare. And please, I do not want to hear about similar "big market" teams.
 
One Cup in 73 years.
19 years since the last Cup.

This "big market" team will turn your "sports life" into a never-ending nightmare. And please, I do not want to hear about similar "big market" teams.

I don't want to hear about "one cup in 73 years" when I highly doubt you were even around for most of them. What do you care if the Rangers didn't win the cup in the 1950's?

How many Cups have "major" teams won since, let's say, 1979?

Chicago: 1
Rangers: 1
Philadelphia: 0
Boston: 1
LA: 1
Toronto: 0
MTL: 2 (I think)
Anaheim: 1

Chicago, LA, NY, Toronto, Boston, Philadelphia, & Montreal: 7 Cups in 34 years. Maybe you need to reevaluate your expectations.

It's a capped league. Major market teams have a few advantages - nothing like the Yankees, though.
 
This is taking "Lundqvist can do no wrong it's all the team" matra to a whole new level. The Rangers probably had fewer quality shots, but they had good chances too. Honestly if Holtby faced no shots he would have outplayed Hank. I don't care how many bad shots we had on him. I'm sorry "the best goalie in the NHL" doesn't get to give up GARBAGE goals because he did the unthinkable and made some nice saves when the team played well. This wasn't ****ing Biron in net or some rookie. It's like saying "I bought you jewelry yesterday, so it's ok if I cheat on you today". No it's not ok, I don't care how many good saves he made. Most saves weren't even that ridiculously good, lots of shots from bad angles.

Hahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I feel better now.
 
The Rangers are an undersized team, and even moreso without Staal, Boyle, and Clowe. This is a problem when opponents get the forecheck going against them, as they lack the physical strength to quickly get the puck back and clear the zone.

This. I said it before last nights game. The Rangers are a soft team again without Clowe, Staal, Boyle and Dorsett. Erskine was just running around attempting to intimidate which is sad because he sucks.
 
I don't want to hear about "one cup in 73 years" when I highly doubt you were even around for most of them. What do you care if the Rangers didn't win the cup in the 1950's?

How many Cups have "major" teams won since, let's say, 1979?

Chicago: 1
Rangers: 1
Philadelphia: 0
Boston: 1
LA: 1
Toronto: 0
MTL: 2 (I think)
Anaheim: 1

Chicago, LA, NY, Toronto, Boston, Philadelphia, & Montreal: 7 Cups in 34 years. Maybe you need to reevaluate your expectations.

It's a capped league. Major market teams have a few advantages - nothing like the Yankees, though.

Yeah, since '04-'05 season. But, keep hoping and you will not be disappointed.
 

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad