NYR Top 10 Centers of All-Time (Preliminary Top 20 List Due!)

[NYR Sting]

I think it would be hilarious if Petr Nedved made the list. He's gotta be top 20, at least. I miss that guy. He was so frustrating, and the team was so bad, that he became something of a lovable loser. To me, anyway.

 

[Crease]

150 Point Club (Rangers Career Only)

[table="head;title=list"] Player | GP | G | A | Pts | +/- | PPG
Jean Ratelle | 862 | 336 | 481 |817 | 168 |0.95
Mark Messier | 698 | 250 | 441 | 691 | 74 | 0.99
Walt Tkaczuk | 945 | 227 | 451 | 678 | 185 | 0.72
Frank Boucher | 533 | 152 | 261 | 413 | | 0.77
Phil Esposito | 422 | 184 | 220 | 404 | -116 | 0.96
Petr Nedved | 478 | 149 | 202 | 351 | -16 | 0.73
Phil Goyette | 397 | 98 | 231 | 329 | 26 | 0.83
Phil Watson | 492 | 109 | 218 | 327 | | 0.66
Don Raleigh | 535 | 101 | 219 | 320 | | 0.6
Mark Pavelich | 341 | 133 | 185 | 318 | 50 | 0.93
Pete Stemkowski | 496 | 113 | 204 | 317 | 25 | 0.64
Mike Rogers | 316 | 117 | 191 | 308 | -55 | 0.97
Kelly Kisio | 336 | 110 | 195 | 305 | 31 | 0.91
Edgar Laprade | 500 | 108 | 172 |280 | | 0.56
Camille Henry | 336 | 138 | 127 | 265 | 8 | 0.79
Earl Ingarfield | 527 | 122 | 142 | 264 | | 0.5
Wayne Gretzky | 234 | 57 | 192 | 249 | -22| 1.06
Neil Colville | 286 | 86 | 129 | 215 | | 0.75
Brandon Dubinsky | 393 | 81 | 132 | 213 | 24 | 0.54
Ron Duguay | 307 | 101 | 111 | 212 | -19 | 0.69
Sergei Nemchinov | 371 | 98 | 114 | 212 | 61 | 0.57
Red Sullivan | 322 | 59 | 150 | 209 | | 0.65
Larry Popein | 402 | 75 | 127 | 202 | | 0.5
Clint Smith | 281 | 80 | 115 | 195 | | 0.69
Murray Murdoch | 508 | 84 | 108 | 192 | | 0.38
Darren Turcotte | 249 | 90 | 99 | 189 | 1 | 0.76
Walt Poddubny | 152 | 78 | 97 | 175 | 18 | 1.15
Butch Keeling | 414 | 128 | 46 | 174 | | 0.42
Ulf Nilsson | 170 | 57 | 112 | 169 | 28 | 0.99
Buddy O'Connor | 238 | 62 | 102 | 164 | | 0.69
Michael Nylander | 160 | 49 | 113 | 162 | 43 | 1.01
Eric Lindros | 192 | 66 | 92 | 158 | 31 | 0.82
Paul Ronty | 260 | 45 | 113 | 158 | | 0.61
Ab DeMarco | 180 | 67 | 86 | 153 | | 0.85
Pierre Larouche | 152 | 75 | 78 | 153 | -35 | 1.01
Chris Drury | 264 | 62 | 89 | 151 | -19 | 0.57[/table]

 

[Crease]

So Boucher, Messier, Esposito and Ratelle look like the only true locks right now

6-10 is going to be a VERY interesting debate in Round 2.

 

[Crease]

I think it would be hilarious if Petr Nedved made the list. He's gotta be top 20, at least. I miss that guy. He was so frustrating, and the team was so bad, that he became something of a lovable loser. To me, anyway.

If you told me yesterday that Nedved would have a shot I would have laughed. But he keeps popping up in these tables.

 

[NYR Sting]

If you told me yesterday that Nedved would have a shot I would have laughed. But he keeps popping up in these tables.

Every time you post one of those, the first thing I can think of is "I bet Nedved is higher than I think he'll be." He usually is.

 

[NYR Sting]

So Boucher, Messier, Esposito and Ratelle look like the only true locks right now

Having a hard time seeing how you leave Tkachuk off the list. He had 5 or 6 60 point seasons, he only played for the Rangers, and the team was in the playoffs almost every year of his career. They made it past the first round at least 5 times, if I recall correctly.

 

[ecemleafs]

looking at that point table i dont see how nedved isnt in the 8-15 range. my god we have sucked at having good centers lol.

 

[NYRSchrute217]

Having a hard time seeing how you leave Tkachuk off the list. He had 5 or 6 60 point seasons, he only played for the Rangers, and the team was in the playoffs almost every year of his career. They made it past the first round at least 5 times, if I recall correctly.

Forgot about Tkachuk, without looking at the tables. He's probably a lock as well.

And Nedved may actually have a shot to sneak in, which is pathetic

 

[NYR Sting]

One guy who won't make it, but probably deserves more consideration than some might think based on these tables is Nemchinov.

 

[NYR Sting]

Can I suggest a chart? Ranked by Rangers career PPG?

 

[mike14]

Can I suggest a chart? Ranked by Rangers career PPG?

The post by crease above has this

 

[NYR Sting]

The post by crease above has this

It has PPG, but not RANKED by PPG.

 

[Greg02]

150 Point Club (Rangers Career Only)

[table="head;title=list"] Player | GP | G | A | Pts | +/- | PPG
Jean Ratelle | 862 | 336 | 481 |817 | 168 |0.95
Mark Messier | 698 | 250 | 441 | 691 | 74 | 0.99
Walt Tkaczuk | 945 | 227 | 451 | 678 | 185 | 0.72
Frank Boucher | 533 | 152 | 261 | 413 | | 0.77
Phil Esposito | 422 | 184 | 220 | 404 | -116 | 0.96
Petr Nedved | 478 | 149 | 202 | 351 | -16 | 0.73
Phil Goyette | 397 | 98 | 231 | 329 | 26 | 0.83
Phil Watson | 492 | 109 | 218 | 327 | | 0.66
Don Raleigh | 535 | 101 | 219 | 320 | | 0.6
Mark Pavelich | 341 | 133 | 185 | 318 | 50 | 0.93
Pete Stemkowski | 496 | 113 | 204 | 317 | 25 | 0.64
Mike Rogers | 316 | 117 | 191 | 308 | -55 | 0.97
Kelly Kisio | 336 | 110 | 195 | 305 | 31 | 0.91
Edgar Laprade | 500 | 108 | 172 |280 | | 0.56
Camille Henry | 336 | 138 | 127 | 265 | 8 | 0.79
Earl Ingarfield | 527 | 122 | 142 | 264 | | 0.5
Wayne Gretzky | 234 | 57 | 192 | 249 | -22| 1.06
Neil Colville | 286 | 86 | 129 | 215 | | 0.75
Brandon Dubinsky | 393 | 81 | 132 | 213 | 24 | 0.54
Ron Duguay | 307 | 101 | 111 | 212 | -19 | 0.69
Sergei Nemchinov | 371 | 98 | 114 | 212 | 61 | 0.57
Red Sullivan | 322 | 59 | 150 | 209 | | 0.65
Larry Popein | 402 | 75 | 127 | 202 | | 0.5
Clint Smith | 281 | 80 | 115 | 195 | | 0.69
Murray Murdoch | 508 | 84 | 108 | 192 | | 0.38
Darren Turcotte | 249 | 90 | 99 | 189 | 1 | 0.76
Walt Poddubny | 152 | 78 | 97 | 175 | 18 | 1.15
Butch Keeling | 414 | 128 | 46 | 174 | | 0.42
Ulf Nilsson | 170 | 57 | 112 | 169 | 28 | 0.99
Buddy O'Connor | 238 | 62 | 102 | 164 | | 0.69
Michael Nylander | 160 | 49 | 113 | 162 | 43 | 1.01
Eric Lindros | 192 | 66 | 92 | 158 | 31 | 0.82
Paul Ronty | 260 | 45 | 113 | 158 | | 0.61
Ab DeMarco | 180 | 67 | 86 | 153 | | 0.85
Pierre Larouche | 152 | 75 | 78 | 153 | -35 | 1.01
Chris Drury | 264 | 62 | 89 | 151 | -19 | 0.57[/table]

Keeling, Poddubny, and Murdoch aren't C's.

If we're letting Gretzky on the list, then we should let Ulf Nilsson on. He was a PPG center over his three seasons here and led us just as far in the playoffs as Gretzky did, while once again putting up over a PPG. Very comparable, IMO.

 

[mike14]

It has PPG, but not RANKED by PPG.

ahh, touche

I can post one after I get home tonight, but that won't be for about 8 hrs

 

[Greg02]

It has PPG, but not RANKED by PPG.

Check out my quote of that table of 150 point Rangers; I edited it so it's sortable by PPG.

 

[NYR Sting]

Check out my quote of that table of 150 point Rangers; I edited it so it's sortable by PPG.

Sweet, thanks.

 

[Crease]

Keeling, Poddubny, and Murdoch aren't C's.

If we're letting Gretzky on the list, then we should let Ulf Nilsson on. He was a PPG center over his three seasons here and led us just as far in the playoffs as Gretzky did, while once again putting up over a PPG. Very comparable, IMO.

I'm okay adding Nilsson. I was thinking about it myself.

 

[Greg02]

For future reference, [noparse][table="head;title=list"][/noparse] as the opening table tag allows the columns to be sortable.

 

[Crease]

For future reference, [noparse][table="head;title=list"][/noparse] as the opening table tag allows the columns to be sortable.

Awesome tip. Nilsson has been added too.

 

[Crease]

I'd like to start looking at playoff resumes as well as adjusted points.

 

[Greg02]

I'm putting together a table of eligible players and seasons played, games played, PPG, playoff games played, and PO/PPG.

 

[mike14]

I'd like to start looking at playoff resumes as well as adjusted points.

I'm assuming that adjusted points is something that attempts to compare point totals from different eras? If so is there an 'accepted' formula to use for this?

Playoff stats are interesting, but the Rangers went through so many bad periods that it makes it tough to give them too much weight (although you can argue that the great players will drag their team into the playoffs)

 

[Kakko]

Walt Poddubny is an interesting one. Pretty recent too. Anyone know more about him, aside that he died in 2009 (RIP)

 

[mike14]

Walt Poddubny is an interesting one. Pretty recent too. Anyone know more about him, aside that he died in 2009 (RIP)

Pretty sure he played RW. Also, at only two seasons I think that it's not enough time in a Ranger jersey

 

[Crease]

In the same vein, does anyone have info on Goyette? Good ppg, but his playoff ppg is horrible (0.23). He finished top 10 in assists across the league 4 seasons in a row. Who was he setting up?

Goyette seems like a good darkhorse candidate for the top 10.

Slick playmaker who spent the middle years of his career with the Rangers. Four of the six he was top 10 in the NHL in assists. Twice top ten in points. You're right though, complete non-factor in the playoffs.

According to this bio, Goyette was pivot between Don Marshall and Bob Nevin. Looks like both their numbers dipped dramatically in 1969/70 after Goyette was picked up by St. Louis (where he coincidently had his career year).