NYR Top 10 Centers of All-Time (Preliminary Top 20 List Due!)

Apparently there were two Ab DeMarco's who played for the Rangers (although one of them was a defenseman).

That's who I'm up to in my little spreadsheet so far, by the way. Neil Colville looks like he should be up there.
 
Yeah, Albert "Ab" DeMarco Sr. was a center for the Rangers. His son Ab Jr. was a defenseman for the Penguins.
 
Sport magazine (January 1954) "The Rangers' Mr. Bones" by Arch Murray. Article and insight on Don "Bones" Raleigh. Hat tip to Mike Farkas, who does a fantastic job of scanning these old magazine articles and making them available to us.

http://imageshack.us/f/695/scan0049q.jpg/

Enjoy!
 
[TABLE="head;title=list"]First | Last | Years | GP | G | A | PTS | PPG | Playoffs GP | PO/PTS | PO/PPG | Notes
Artem | Anisimov | 4 | 244 | 46 | 62 | 108 | 0.443 | 26 | 11 | 0.423 |
Blair | Betts | 4 | 304 | 25 | 15 | 40 | 0.132 | 28 | 2 | 0.071 |
Brian | Boyle | 4 | 270 | 38 | 34 | 72 | 0.267 | 22 | 6 | 0.273 |
Frank | Boucher | 13 | 533 | 152 | 261 | 413 | 0.775 | 54 | 36 | 0.667 | "HHOF; 7X Lady Byng; 3X 1AST; 1X 2AST; 2X SC; 3X Assists Leader; 8X T10 Points; 2X T10 Goals"
Dave | Creighton | 3 | 210 | 55 | 87 | 142 | 0.676 | 16 | 10 | 0.625 | "All Star; 1X T10 Assists | 1X T10 Points"
Neil | Colville | 12 | 464 | 99 | 166 | 265 | 0.571 | 46 | 26 | 0.565 | "HHOF; All Star; 3X 2AST; 1X SC; 3X T10 Goals; 2X T10 Assists; 4X T10 Points"
Ab | DeMarco | 4 | 180 | 67 | 86 | 153 | 0.85 | 0 | 0 | ~ | "2X T10 Goals; 2X T10 Assists; 2X 10 Points"
Chris | Drury | 4 | 264 | 62 | 89 | 151 | 0.572 | 21 | 8 | 0.381 |
Brandon | Dubinsky | 6 | 393 | 81 | 132 | 213 | 0.542 | 31 | 17 | 0.548 |
Ron | Duguay | 8 | 499 | 164 | 176 | 340 | 0.681 | 69 | 47 | 0.681 | "All Star"
Phil | Esposito | 6 | 422 | 184 | 220 | 404 | 0.957 | 30 | 27 | 0.9 | "HHOF; 3X All Star; 1X T10 Goals"
Wayne | Gretzky | 3 | 234 | 57 | 192 | 249 | 1.064 | 15 | 20 | 1.333 | "HHOF; 3X All Star; 1X Lady Byng; 2X 2AST; 2X 1st in Assists; 3X T10 Assists; 2X T10 Points"
Phil | Goyette | 7 | 397 | 98 | 231 | 329 | 0.829 | 26 | 6 | 0.231 | "1X T10 Goals; 4X T10 Assists; 2X T10 Points"
Camille | Henry | 12 | 637 | 256 | 222 | 478 | 0.75 | 22 | 10 | 0.455 | "3X All Star; Calder; 1X Lady Byng; 1X 2AST; 6X T10 Goals"
Earl | Ingarfield | 9 | 527 | 122 | 142 | 264 | 0.501 | 10 | 6 | 0.6 | "1X T10 Goals"
Kelly | Kisio | 5 | 336 | 110 | 195 | 305 | 0.908 | 18 | 11 | 0.611 |
Edgar | Laprade | 10 | 500 | 108 | 172 | 280 | 0.56 | 18 | 13 | 0.722 | "HHOF; 4X All Star; Calder; 1X Lady Byng; 1X T10 Assists"
Mark | Messier | 10 | 698 | 250 | 441 | 691 | 0.99 | 70 | 80 | 1.143 | "HHOF; 5X All Star; 1X SC; 1X Hart; 1X Lindsay; 1X 1AST; 1X T10 Goals; 2X T10 Assists; 2X T10 Points"
Petr | Nedved | 6 | 413 | 135 | 185 | 320 | 0.775 | 10 | 5 | 0.5 |
Sergei | Nemchinov | 6 | 418 | 105 | 120 | 225 | 0.538 | 42 | 22 | 0.524 | "1X SC"
Ulf | Nilsson | 4 | 170 | 57 | 112 | 169 | 0.994 | 25 | 22 | 0.88 |
Buddy | O'Connor | 4 | 238 | 62 | 102 | 164 | 0.689 | 18 | 11 | 0.611 | "HHOF; All Star; 1X Hart; 1X Lady Byng; 1X 2AST; 1X T10 Goals; 2X T10 Assists; 1X T10 Points"
Mark | Pavelich | 5 | 341 | 133 | 185 | 318 | 0.933 | 23 | 24 | 1.043 |
Larry | Popein | 7 | 402 | 75 | 127 | 202 | 0.502 | 16 | 5 | 0.313 |
Don | Raleigh | 10 | 535 | 101 | 219 | 320 | 0.598 | 18 | 11 | 0.611 | "2X All Star; 1X T10 Assists; 1X T10 Points"
Jean | Ratelle | 16 | 862 | 336 | 481 | 817 | 0.948 | 65 | 42 | 0.646 | "HHOF; 4X All Star; 1X 2AST; 1X Bill Masterton; 2X Lady Byng; 1X Lindsay; 3X T10 Goals; 4X T10 Assists; 6X T10 Points"
Mike | Rogers | 5 | 316 | 117 | 191 | 308 | 0.975 | 14 | 11 | 0.786 |
Paul | Ronty | 4 | 260 | 45 | 113 | 158 | 0.608 | 0 | 0 | ~ | "2X All Star; 2X T10 Assists; 2X T10 Points"
Pete | Stemkowski | 7 | 496 | 113 | 204 | 317 | 0.639 | 55 | 36 | 0.655 |
Clint | Smith | 7 | 281 | 80 | 115 | 195 | 0.694 | 29 | 9 | 0.31 | "HHOF; 1X Lady Byng; 1X SC; 1X T10 Goals; 1X T10 Assists; 2X T10 Points"
Red | Sullivan | 5 | 322 | 59 | 150 | 209 | 0.649 | 6 | 3 | 0.5 | "3X All Star; 2X T10 Assists; 1X T10 Points"
Walt | Tkaczuk | 14 | 945 | 227 | 451 | 678 | 0.717 | 93 | 51 | 0.548 | "All Star; 1X T10 Assists; 1X T10 Points"
Darren | Turcotte | 6 | 325 | 122 | 133 | 255 | 0.785 | 25 | 14 | 0.56 | "All Star"
Phil | Watson | 12 | 546 | 127 | 233 | 360 | 0.659 | 65 | 27 | 0.415 | "1X SC; 1X 2AST; 1X First in Assists; 5X T10 Assists; 2X T10 Points"
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Looking though the list of eligible players, their stats, and their accolades, I sorted them into a few categories. There's a few things that stand out to me/that I'm wondering about. Edgar Laprade played his whole career here; Clint Smith played 7 of 11 years in NY. Neither seem like standout players; both were inducted into the HHOF in the early 90s. I'm going to be interested in seeing how players like Walt Tkaczuk stand up against players like Gretzky. I'm also going to be really interested in Gretzky vs. Buddy O'Connor, and where Esposito gets put.

Definitely Top 10
Jean Ratelle
Mark Messier
Neil Colville
Frank Boucher

Why are they HHOFers?
Edgar Laprade
Clint Smith

Long tenure with Rangers, All Star calibre
Walt Tkaczuk
Camille Henry
Phil Watson
Don Raleigh
Earl Ingarfield

Shorter tenure with Rangers, All Star
Phil Esposito
Ron Duguay
Darren Turcotte
Red Sullivan
Phil Goyette

Even shorter tenure with Rangers, explosive
Buddy O'Connor
Wayne Gretzky
Ulf Nilsson

Even shorter tenure with Rangers, All Star
Dave Creighton
Ab DeMarco
Paul Ronty
Kelly Kisio
Mark Pavelich

Shouldn't be top 10
Stemkowski
Nemchinov
Nedved
Popein
Dubinsky
Rogers
Betts
Boyle
Drury
Anisimov
 
Why are they HHOFers?
Edgar Laprade
Clint Smith

There were less teams, and thus less players to compete with to get into the HHOF. There were less games. Careers were shorter. And overall, point production by an individual (outside of the truly amazing players) was generally lower. But all of that said, compare them to other players in their time period, and this will make more sense.

Clint Smith had the second most total points of any Center in the years that he played and was a part of a Stanley Cup winning Rangers team. Of those centers who played during his time period but had less total points, eight of them had higher PPGs. All of those 8 except for 1 is in the HHOF.

Edgar Laprade is a little tougher nut to crack when you compare him to his contemporaries... He had the 9th most total points of any Center in the years that he played. There are three centers ahead of him in points AND PPG who did not make the HHOF. An argument could be made that he led a Rangers team to the finals (they lost), and did very well in the playoffs (he was 3rd on the team in playoff points) -- whereas the players ahead of him in points and ppg weren't big contributors to SC finals contenders. That could help explain why he got into the HHOF over a guy like Paul Ronty (eligible on our list), who had more points and a higher ppg playing for the Rangers during the same time period, but never was on a team that made it to the finals. But it wouldn't explain why a guy on the same finals team as Laprade, Don Raleigh (also eligible on our list), who also had a higher career point total, ppg, and scored more in that year's playoffs didn't make the HHOF.

On second look, it seems like there was a pretty heavy emphasis on playoff/SC performance when considering HHOF'ers from that time period (not necessarily unlike today). One of the guys in front of Laprade in points and ppg, Cal Gardner, who didn't make it into the HHOF was on two SC winners, but performed pretty poorly in the playoffs. All HHOF centers that I've seen with my searches in this time period were on SC winning teams and performed very well in the playoffs. The guys who weren't on SC winning teams or didn't perform well in the playoffs, but put up similar regular season numbers to these guys didn't get into the HHOF.

HHOF has also always valued hardware and records. Laprade won the calder, lady byng. Clint Smith won the byng twice, and set multiple records at the time he played (4 goals in a period, most assists in a season, and played on a line that recorded the most points in a season).


EDIT: They were both also selected as a part of the "Veterans" category - which explains why they were inducted so late.

http://www.hhof.com/htmlSpotlight/spot_pinnaclep199002.shtml

"In 1988, the Hockey Hall of Fame added a 'veteran player category' in order to provide a vehicle for players "who may have been overlooked and whose chances for election would be limited when placed on the same ballot with contemporary players." Eleven players were inducted into the Veterans' category, which was eliminated by the HHOF Board of Directors in 2000. Those inductees are now considered to be in the player category."

Laprade's HHOF link: http://www.hhof.com/htmlSpotlight/spot_pinnaclep199302.shtml

Smith's HHOF link: http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=p199104&page=bio&list=
 
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A measure of intangibles more than anything else, but among our eligibles these are the guys who wore the C for the Rangers. Number of years doing so in parenthesis.

Chris Drury (3)
Messier (10)
Kisio (4)
Tkaczuk (1) - Shared with Beck
Esposito (3) - 1 shared with Park
Henry (1)
Colville (3)

Per: http://www.eliteprospects.com/team_captaincy_history.php?team=68

Also, I keep seeing Camille Henry listed as a LW. Everywhere except Hockey Reference. Can someone confirm if he played a majority of his Rangers career at LW or Center?
 
Bringing over pnep's list of Rangers ranked by HHOF Monitor Points. Table is sortable by position.

[table="css=transp;head"]#|Player|POS|HHOF Monitor PTS (NYR only)
1|Bill Cook |RW|2141.50
2|Frank "Raffles" Boucher |C|2117.50
3|Andy "Handy Andy" Bathgate |RW|1392.50
4|Brian "Leetchie" Leetch |D|1297.05
5|Ed "Fast Eddie" Giacomin |G|1295.50
6|Bryan Sr. "Hex" Hextall |RW|1170.50
7|Douglas "Brad" Park |D|1101.45
8|Mark "Mess" Messier |C|1021.00
9|Dave "Davey" Kerr |G|927.00
10|Ching "The Holding Corporation" Johnson |D|887.95
11|Rod "Mr. Broadway" Gilbert |RW|872.50
12|Bill "Gads" Gadsby |D|855.05
13|Ceece "Two Gun" Dillon |RW|839.00
14|Lynn Patrick |LW|816.00
15|Frederick "Bun" Cook |LW|762.50
16|Chuck "Bonnie Prince Charlie" Rayner |G|736.00
17|Jean "Ratty" Ratelle |C|696.50
18|Neil Colville |C|660.60
19|Harry "Harry The Horse" Howell |D|626.75
20|Jaromir "Jags" Jagr |RW|615.50
21|Camille "The Eel" Henry |C|600.00
22|Erhardt "Ott" Heller |D|576.20
23|Phil Watson |C|571.00
24|Herbert "Buddy" O'Connor |C|561.50
25|Vic Hadfield |LW|547.00
26|Art Coulter |D|465.70
27|Murray "Mudhooks" Murdoch |C|458.00
28|Steve "Sarge" Vickers |LW|448.50
29|Walt Tkaczuk |C|440.45
30|Adam "Gravy" Graves |LW|423.00
31|Doug "Dallying Doug" Harvey |D|384.40
32|Mike "Iron Mike" Richter |G|384.00
33|Butch "The Oil Man Of Owen Sound" Keeling |LW|381.00
33|John "Beezer" Vanbiesbrouck |G|381.00
35|Alex "Shab" Shibicky |LW|380.50
36|Edgar "Beaver" Laprade |C|379.50
37|Andy "Spuds" Hebenton |RW|374.00
38|Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky |C|370.00
39|Ron "Honker" Greschner |D|368.50
40|Dean "The Dynamo" Prentice |LW|347.50
41|Bob "Stretch" Nevin |RW|342.50
42|Clint "Snuffy" Smith |C|322.50
43|Jim "The Chief" Neilson |D|300.50
44|Phil "Espo" Esposito |C|297.50
45|Don "Bones" Raleigh |C|296.50
46|Don "Big Frame" Maloney |LW|291.50
47|Alexei "AK-27" Kovalev |RW|290.50
48|Earl "SI" Seibert |D|290.25
49|Gilles "Smiley" Villemure |G|288.00
49|Lorne "Gump" Worsley |G|288.00
51|Tony "The Bulldog" Leswick |LW|265.50
52|Bill "Billy The Kid" Fairbairn |RW|262.50
53|Mathew "Mac" Colville |RW|259.50
54|Phil "The Professor" Goyette |C|251.50
55|Babe "The Honest Brakeman" Pratt |D|250.75
56|Dave Maloney |D|242.60
57|Anders "The Swedish Express" Hedberg |RW|238.50
58|Rod "Sod" Seiling |D|233.35
59|John "The Port Perry Woodpecker" Roach |G|230.00
60|Barry "Bubba" Beck |D|225.05
61|Ron "Doogs" Duguay |C|216.50
62|James "Jeep" Patrick |D|215.45
63|Pete "Polish Prince" Stemkowski |C|214.00
64|Petr "Neddie" Nedved |C|212.00
64|Red "Sully" Sullivan |C|212.00
66|Jeff Beukeboom |D|211.40
67|Don Marshall |LW|203.00
68|Grant "Knobby" Warwick |RW|200.00
69|Paul Thompson |LW|197.50
70|Carol "Vad" Vadnais |D|195.85
71|Kelvin "Kelly" Kisio|C|192.00
72|Mike "Garts" Gartner |RW|186.00
73|Allan "Snowshoes" Stanley |D|184.65
74|Tomas "Tommie Gun" Sandstrom |RW|184.00
75|Danny "Dashin' Danny" Lewicki |LW|183.00
76|Sergei "Chimo" Nemchinov |C|178.50
77|Leo Bourgeault |D|171.75
78|Wally "Hergy" Hergesheimer |RW|167.00
79|Earl Ingarfield |C|162.00
80|Don "Murder" Murdoch |RW|161.00
81|Lorne "Chabotsky" Chabot |G|160.00
82|Dave Balon |LW|159.00
83|Pat "Hitch" Hickey |LW|156.50
83|Nick "Tricky Nick" Mickoski |LW|156.50
85|James "Kilby" Macdonald |LW|154.00
86|Ted "The Babyfaced Assassin" Irvine |LW|153.00
87|Art Somers |C|152.00
88|John "J.D." Davidson |G|151.50
89|Andy "The Glasgow Gobbler" Aitkenhead |G|150.00
90|Pentti "Penny" Lund |RW|149.50
91|Dutch "Wib" Hiller |LW|149.00
92|Alexander "Pottsy" Karpovtsev |D|147.50
93|Clarence "Taffy" Abel |D|146.25
94|Mark "Mark The Shark" Pavelich |C|146.00
95|Arnie "Brownie" Brown |D|145.60
96|Eddie "Popsie" Johnstone |RW|143.00
96|Alf "The Embalmer" Pike |C|143.00
98|Tom "Cowboy" Laidlaw |D|142.70
99|Murray "Muzz" Patrick |D|139.20
100|Doug Brennan |D|138.80[/table]​

The HHOF Monitor Score (for forwards) works like this:

Adjusted PTS/2 + PO PTS +
Top 10 in Goals after Season - 5 pts +
# 1 in Goals after Season - 75 pts +
# 2 in Goals after Season - 50 pts +
Top in 10 Assists after Season - 5 pts +
# 1 in Assists after Season - 75 pts +
# 2 in Assists after Season - 50 pts +
Top 10 in PTS after Season - 5 pts +
# 1 in PTS after Season - 75 pts +
# 2 in PTS after Season - 50 pts +
# 1 in "+/-" after Season - 35 pts +
# 2 in "+/-" after Season - 25 pts +
Cup - 50 pts +
Final - 25 pts +
All Star Game - 20 pts +
HART - 150 pts +
HART Runner Up - 100 pts +
BYNG - 75 pts +
BYNG Runner Up - 50 pts +
1 ALL STAR TEAM - 75 pts +
2 ALL STAR TEAM - 50 pts +
CALDER - 35 pts +
CALDER Runner Up - 20 pts +
SELKE - 30 pts +
SELKE Runner Up - 20 pts +
CONN SMYTHE - 150 pts +
LESTER PEARSON - 100 pts

In case you're wondering how adjusted points is calculated, here is the write-up:
http://puckstopshere.blogspot.com/2005/06/adjusted-goalsassistspoints.html

And if you're wondering how "accurate" the HHOF Monitor Points formula is, this would be the top 10 forwards of all-time if you applied the formula to all NHL player careers:

1. Wayne Gretzky 8827.02
2. Gordie Howe 6171.61
3. Mario Lemieux 4586.35
4. Jean Beliveau 4253.44
5. Phil Esposito 4096.48
6. Maurice Richard 3829.98
7. Bobby Hull 3671.88
8. Stan Mikita 3583.61
9. Jaromir Jagr 3237.64
10. Guy Lafleur 3060.04
 
Walter Tkaczuk

Some excerpts from the article I posted above:

The numbers won't tell you very much: He was the Rangers' leading scorer in the 1969-70 and 1970-71 seasons, their leading scorer in last spring's Cup play with seven goals and nine points and a member of the most effective penalty-killing team in the NHL last season.

Those numbers don't add up to $150,000, but when you close the record books and look at the ice, you find the real explanation for the worth of Walter Tkaczuk. Watch him knock down the strongest man in the league with his shoulder to set up a goal. Watch Tkaczuk and tammate Bill Fairbairn stifle a power play, sliding the puck back and forth, eluding wingers in a Canadian version of keepaway. Watch Tkaczuk, a center, dive into the corners to pull the puck away from a defender, flinging it to the point or the slot to set up a goal. Watch this 25-year-old steady his team and deflate his rivals, and you realize you'r watching a spectacularly unspectacular hockey player.

Boston Bruin Derek Sanderson said:
I would pick him as one of the premier centers in the league, the best hockey player the Rangers have without a doubt. If I was to pick a player to be injuried, it'd be him. He's probably one of the strongest skaters int he business; he's very good with the puck, a good shot, a tremendous forechecker. He's got all the tools, all the moves.

First of all, you're never gonna scare him. Second of all, you're never going to knock him down. So whats the sense hitting him? He hits morepeople when they're trying to him him than when he starts it himself. Walter waits for you to take a run at him, then he starts up quickly and hits first.

Linemate Steve Vickers said:
He's a great player. And like Esposito, his secret is his mobility. I tell you, there's no way I'd have gotten 30 goals without him."

Brad Park said:
He's so strong on his skates, you can't run a player like Tkaczuk out. He just bowls over you, boom! I played against him in juniors and he bowled me over a few times. I'd rather be playing with him.

Boston Bruin Doug Roberts said:
He's an exceptionally strong individual. He's solid on his feet; you just can't knock him off the puck.

On his penalty-killing prowess:

Whether inspiration or accident, the Tkaczuk-Fairbairn unit clicked. In 1971-72, they killed almost 85 percent of the opposition's power plays; last season they killed off 34 power plays in a row and finished the year by snuffing 28 consecutive power plays. These are not simply numbers; championships are won and lost on a team's ability to score when they're a man up and hold off their opponents when they're a man down. In the 1972 New York-Boston finals, the Bruins scored game-winning goals in three of their four victories on power plays. In the 1973 playoffs, Boston went 1-for-16 on power plays and New York wiped them out.
 
What can someone tell me about Buddy O'Connor. I swear before today I've never heard his name. He had that GREAT season in 1947/48. Him and Messier are the only two Centers to win the Hart Trophy as a Ranger.

From the Hockey Hall of Fame:

He broke in with the Canadiens alongside his long-time senior hockey line mates Pete Morin and Gerry Heffernan. The trio of O'Connor, Morin, and Heffernan were dubbed the "Razzle Dazzle Line" while with the Royals, but an injury to Morin near the end of the 1941-42 season ended their brief time together in the NHL. O'Connor continued as a solid contributor with the Canadiens and played with the Stanley Cup winners in 1943-44 and 1945-46 before being traded to the New York Rangers on August 19, 1947.

It remains unclear exactly why the Canadiens made the trade but one thing that cannot be said is that he was too old. In 1947-48, at age 31 and in his first season with the Blueshirts, O'Connor recorded career-high marks for goals, with 24, and points, with 60. He missed the league scoring title by only one point and was named NHL Second Team All-Star centre, behind former teammate Elmer Lach. O'Connor received his due, however, winning the Hart Trophy as league's most valuable player as well as the Lady Byng Trophy as most gentlemanly player. He was the first player to win both awards in the same season. In a fitting tribute to his great season he was named Canada's athlete of the year for 1948. He missed a significant part of the 1948-49 season due to injuries sustained in a car accident and saw his point production drop over the next three years before finishing his pro hockey career with a Second Team All-Star nod as a member of the American Hockey League's Cincinnati Mohawks in 1951-52.
 
If you're a big "peak" guy when it comes to rankings, Buddy O'Connor is going to be high on your list. He came to the Rangers at 30 and had probably one of the best seasons of any Ranger ever. Outscored the likes of Ted Lindsay and Maurice Richard. Looked sharp the following season before suffering injuries in a car accident. Career was never same after that. It's going to be tough to place him.
 
I happened to do profiles for both Edgar Laprade and Clint Smith for hfboard's All Time Draft in recent years: The ATD is this hockey history nerdiness taken to the max.

Here they are:

Edgar Laprade:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=44563067&postcount=123

Laprade was voted co-MVP of the Rangers in 1949, which is something I guess. It seems like a big reason he got into the HHOF is for what he did outside the NHL when a lot of the best hockey players had to take time off for World War 2: If you're only considering careers as a Ranger, that's probably irrelevant. Laprade was a great defensive player and penalty killer though, and his offense wasn't THAT bad. I mean, maybe as a comparison, he's like Nemchinov, but much better in every way. Tough guy to rank though.

Here's Clint Smith:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=62279085&postcount=220

His time as a Ranger should be pretty straightforward. He was traded to the Blackhawks between 1942-43 and 1943-44, and most of the best NHLers only missed 1943-44 and 1944-45 due to the war, so you don't really have to pay too much attention to that when ranking him as a Ranger only. And Smith doesn't appear to have brought anything more than his offensive stats. So basically, I think he can be pretty easily judged on his stats as a Ranger.
 
We're really picking 2-10. #1 isn't even a discussion.

I bet you that there will be quite a bit of discussion for number 1- although I'm reasonably certain about my current choice, I can imagine a number of people thinking differently.
 
Jean Ratelle and Messier were probably the best.

My dad's favorites were:

1. Camille Henry (did not know he played center)
2. Walt Tkaczuk.

My favorites were:
1. Ulfie
2. Pavolich
3. Espo
4. Larouche
 
Any info on Pavelich and Rogers? Both have very similar stats playing at the same time. Did anyone on here see them live?
 
Boucher, Ratelle and Messier all have cases for #1. Some stronger than others. Walt T rounds out my top 4 at the moment. I fully expect myself to change my mind over and over again as I learn more about some of our eligibles. Remember that Round 1 lists are not due for another 3 weeks or so so take your time and think about it. Im looking forward to hearing your arguments in Round 2.
 
Neil Colville led the Rangers to a Stanley Cup in 1940. He was second on the team in points by a point during the regular season, and also led the Rangers in points in the postseason that year. He was not awarded the Retro Smythe (it went to Phil Watson) and it would be interesting to see the discussion that led to the decision (unfortunately it doesn't seem to be available). The tricky thing about ranking Colville is he left for two years to the war, and when he came back he switched to defense.
 
Don "Bones" Raleigh

Excerpts from the article I posted above:

Last summer, the club was ripped apart. Bill Cook, the 1952-53 coach, was fired and Frank Boucher, a firmer coach who yielded the active reins to Lynn Patrick so that he might concentrate on his duties as general manager in 1948, has returned to the bench in this year of decision for the Rangers. The club had a new goalie in Johnny Bower, who won the job from Gump Worsley despite the latter was the rookie of the year in the NHL last year, a couple of new defensemen, a flock of new forwards and, in the early going, new incentive and drive. Yet, ironically, the man the Rangers were conting on the most to reestablish them as one of hockey's solid teams was an old hand who has been around the Garden, off and on, since he broke in as a raw kid of 17 in the season of 1943-44.

That, of course, would be James Donald (Bones) Raleigh, a lean and cadaverous-looking young man who is sometimes known around the NHL rinks as the "Loveable Screwball". To be sure, there is nothing screwy about him on the ice. Despite a few odd mannerisms such as his continual shifting and feinting even when there is nobody near him, Raleigh is a thoroughly sound center, one of the most brilliant puck-carriers and playmakers in the business, and a fine shot.

Frank Boucher said:
What you like best about him, though, is that he is a tireless worker. He keeps going all the time. He never lets up, which is something youo can't say for a lot of the guys in this bruising business that requires such a constant perfection of physical condition. He has as much will to win as any player I've ever seen. Any coach would just sit back and relax if he had just a dozen Raleighs going for him.

Frank Boucher said:
He's a ballet dancer on the ice with that weaving, rhythmic style. I just wish I had a lot more like him.

It is significant that he wears No. 7 on his Ranger jersey. Only two Rangers have won the numeral - Frank Boucher and Phil Watson. They were two of the greatest centers the league has had and they wore that number with distinction for 22 years between them - Boucher for 13 seasons and Watson for nine. When Watson quit at the end of the 1947-48 season to become a farm team manager for the Blue Shirts, both he and Boucher naturally wanted to make sure that a player of real stature wore it after them.
 
Phil Watson, Clint Smith, and Neil Colville all broke into the league pretty much at the same time. Watson and Colville in 1935. Smith in 1936. I've put together tables to help compare their careers with the Rangers. Watson was loaned to Montreal for the 1943-44 season. He came back to the Rangers in 1945 for a few more seasons. Colville played center up until WWII. He and his brother Mac (also a Ranger), were stationed in Ottawa and played for the army's Ottawa Commandos team, winning the Allan Cup in 1942. He returned to the Rangers as a defenseman after the war. Smith played for the Rangers until 1943. He finished his career in Chicago. In the tables below, "Rank" is for team ranking, not league ranking.

1936-37 Regular Season
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Watson|22|48|11|17|28|0.58|T2
Colville|22|45|10|18|28|0.62|T2

1936-37 Playoffs
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Colville|22|9|3|3|6|0.67|1
Watson|22|9|0|2|2|0.22|T10

1937-38 Regular Season
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Smith|24|48|21|18|39|0.81|2
Colville|23|45|17|19|36|0.8|3
Watson|23|48|7|25|32|0.67|6

1937-38 Playoffs
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Smith|24|3|2|0|2|0.67|T1
Watson|23|3|0|2|2|0.67|T1
Colville|23|3|0|1|1|0.33|T6

1938-39 Regular Season
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Smith|25|48|21|20|41|0.85|1
Colville|24|47|18|19|37|0.79|T5
Watson|24|48|15|22|37|0.77|T5

1938-39 Playoffs
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Smith|25|7|1|2|3|0.43|T2
Watson|24|7|1|1|2|0.29|T3
Colville|24|7|0|2|2|0.29|T3

1939-40 Regular Season
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Colville|25|48|19|19|38|0.79|2
Watson|25|48|7|28|35|0.73|3
Smith|26|41|8|16|24|0.59|8

1939-40 Playoffs
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Watson|25|12|3|6|9|0.75|T1
Colville|25|12|2|7|9|0.75|T1
Smith|26|11|1|3|4|0.36|T7

1940-41 Regular Season
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Colville|26|48|14|28|42|0.88|3
Watson|26|40|11|25|36|0.9|4
Smith|27|48|14|11|25|0.52|6

1940-41 Playoffs
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Colville|26|3|1|1|2|0.67|T1
Watson|26|3|0|2|2|0.67|T1
Smith|27|3|0|0|0|0|T11

1941-42 Regular Season
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Watson|27|48|15|37|52|1.08|3
Smith|28|47|10|24|34|0.72|T4
Colville|27|48|8|25|33|0.69|T6

1941-42 Playoffs
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Watson|27|6|1|4|5|0.83|T1
Colville|27|6|0|5|5|0.83|T1
Smith|28|5|0|0|0|0|T13

1942-43 Regular Season
Player | Age | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | Rank
Watson|28|46|14|28|42|0.91|3
Smith|29|47|12|21|33|0.7|5

Watson appears to have peaked the highest of the three. The stats would suggest that Watson was more of a playmaker and set-up man and Colville was the better goal-scorer. What is worth noting is Smith's playoff troubles. Some have said it was the reason why he was deemed expendable and wasn't re-signed.
 
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