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[Leonardo87]

We should retire that nickname

Lol yeah anytime I see it, I’m thinking Tank for Bedard lol

 

[mas0764]

They should more than CAR and NJD, for certain.

I think New Jersey scares me more than Carolina, actually.

Though that is subject to change based on how we play Carolina this weekend.

 

[mas0764]

The Rangers paid the Blues to take on Blais. The 4th into a 3rd is the pick. Double retention is usually 3rd/4th. The Rangers had one big move(money wise) and they made it. The Rangers needed 50% retention and had the Blues take back Blais to make the money work which leaves them with room to make one more depth move. They could have waited three more weeks where they would have had more accrued cap space. The Rangers and Blues wanted to make the trade now. The Rangers get three more weeks to integrate the players into their lineup and the Blues can now concentrate on moving their other players. I read/heard the Blues couldn’t get a 1st from the Rangers for Tarasenko without including Mikkola. The Blues have many suitors for Barbashev. I wonder how much Barbashev will cost. Not to the Rangers.

I would have kept the first and gone without Mikkola and tried to find a defenseman in a different move that didn't cost me a first.

 

[mas0764]

It's not about right now. It's about when guys like Panarin, Kreider, Trouba, Trocheck and eventually Mika are gone. It's not as far away as you might think. Panarin has 3 years left, Kreider and Trouba have 4 and either could be moved earlier, and Trocheck could be moved for cap purposes once his NMC becomes an NTC in a couple years.

We won't be able to afford to replace all of those players with UFAs and/or expensive trade acquisitions. Teams need to maintain a steady influx of cheap prospects in order to remain competitive. Some of our current prospects should be NHL players, but who knows how many will actually make it or what sort of impact they will have.

I'm not saying we have to stockpile prospects as though we are rebuilding, but by the same token, we can't go through a period like we had between 2013 and 2016 where we had no 1st round picks and only 2 second round picks. In 2013, we actually managed to select 3 NHL players despite not having any picks in the 1st 2 rounds, but all 3 of those players were traded away at various points and for various reasons. We got lucky in 2014, taking Shesty in the 4th round, but no other player became anything. 2015 and 2016 were complete busts, and we got the rebuild letter in 2018.

I'd like to avoid getting another rebuild letter in 2028. I want the Rangers to be competitive every year, not just for 4 or 5 years then tear it down and start over. Drafting and developing players is vital to maintaining a good team in a cap system.

Even if you don't have to do a full scale rebuild, if you don't have a stocked pipeline, when Mika, Panarin and Kreider age-out, then you are still just a fringe playoff team or second round playoff team. You never transform into a Colorado-like high end contender.

And it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle of "Well, we are just a second round playoff team, so let's give up a firsts for a rental," and then you don't win the Cup, and then you don't have any good extra forwards because you've given your assets away for nothing, and then the following year you are just "Well, we are a second round playoff team, better give up more assets."

 

[pld459666]

Back in 2015, Tarasenko was interviewed and said he doesn't like that nickname because of the connection to war, and his grandparents living through it.

Let's hope this nickname dies with the trade.

Tarasenko
Senko
Senka
Coffee?

New nickname. Iced Coffee

 

[Jabroni]

Is there any intention to re sign Tarasenko, or is this purely a rental move? Unless other players are moved I don’t see how we fit him under the cap. I do imagine that we make space for Mikkola though, can never have too many defensemen.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

We got ripped off a little in this trade.
Since we included a 1st on top of Blais, Buch should've been included.

Who won the Rangers / Blues Trade?

forums.hfboards.com

Well only 10% think we lost the trade so.

 

[pld459666]

We should retire that nickname

I didn't even get the pun until you stated that

 

[McRanger92]

Back in 2015, Tarasenko was interviewed and said he doesn't like that nickname because of the connection to war, and his grandparents living through it.

Let's hope this nickname dies with the trade.

Vladdy it is then

 

[pld459666]

I think pretty much everyone here is envisioning 2019 Tank, unfortunately.

We may not be getting that player.

I hope I'm wrong and he still has lots left in the .... tank?

~rimshot~



That's good because we need a sniper way more than we need a power forward.

Odd as I have never heard anyone liken Iced Coffee as a bruising power forward or just a power forward at all.

Vladdy it is then

Iced Coffee for me

 

[JHS]

It's not about right now. It's about when guys like Panarin, Kreider, Trouba, Trocheck and eventually Mika are gone. It's not as far away as you might think. Panarin has 3 years left, Kreider and Trouba have 4 and either could be moved earlier, and Trocheck could be moved for cap purposes once his NMC becomes an NTC in a couple years.

We won't be able to afford to replace all of those players with UFAs and/or expensive trade acquisitions. Teams need to maintain a steady influx of cheap prospects in order to remain competitive. Some of our current prospects should be NHL players, but who knows how many will actually make it or what sort of impact they will have.

I'm not saying we have to stockpile prospects as though we are rebuilding, but by the same token, we can't go through a period like we had between 2013 and 2016 where we had no 1st round picks and only 2 second round picks. In 2013, we actually managed to select 3 NHL players despite not having any picks in the 1st 2 rounds, but all 3 of those players were traded away at various points and for various reasons. We got lucky in 2014, taking Shesty in the 4th round, but no other player became anything. 2015 and 2016 were complete busts, and we got the rebuild letter in 2018.

I'd like to avoid getting another rebuild letter in 2028. I want the Rangers to be competitive every year, not just for 4 or 5 years then tear it down and start over. Drafting and developing players is vital to maintaining a good team in a cap system.

But they have a chance to win now because those guys are in their prime... You can't keep building for the future. Sometimes you have to go for it now.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Talk after the move pays off.

To the crowd that says, “we’re not a cup team”. If we were in the bruins position and made this trade youd be saying, “why do we need to give up a 1st in a year were on pace to set the record for most points”.

We had an extra 1st and received our two biggest holes in return for what is likely one of the last picks in the 1st. We are going for it, stop complaining

 

[CLW]

Tarasenko
Senko
Senka
Coffee?

New nickname. Iced Coffee

91 Blais -> 91 Tarasenko =

BLANKO!

Maybe not the nickname you want for your new sniper...

 

[mas0764]

But they have a chance to win now because those guys are in their prime... You can't keep building for the future. Sometimes you have to go for it now.

No one is twisting their arm. You never "have to" make bad value trades of a first for what ends up in all likelihood to be 8 weeks of a player.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Tarasenkoooooooooooo
To the wall
(To the wall)

 

[GAGLine]

Even if you don't have to do a full scale rebuild, if you don't have a stocked pipeline, when Mika, Panarin and Kreider age-out, then you are still just a fringe playoff team or second round playoff team. You never transform into a Colorado-like high end contender.

And it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle of "Well, we are just a second round playoff team, so let's give up a firsts for a rental," and then you don't win the Cup, and then you don't have any good extra forwards because you've given your assets away for nothing, and then the following year you are just "Well, we are a second round playoff team, better give up more assets."

How many cups have we won with the "go all in" approach?

But they have a chance to win now because those guys are in their prime... You can't keep building for the future. Sometimes you have to go for it now.

We need to do both. It's hard to do, but it's worth trying. Would you have rather traded for Meier than Tarasenko? Of course, because that would have been an investment in both the present and the future. But we didn't have the cap space to re-sign him. We also traded for Mikkola. Would you not rather have the next Ryan Lindgren ready to be called up?

Again, I'm not upset about this trade. We still have enough draft capital to add to our prospect pool, but it's getting thinner every year. We gave up a bunch of picks last deadline, then gave up 2 2nd rounders to dump Nemeth, and now we've given up 2 more picks in a deep draft. All I'm saying is that we can't afford to do that every year. Cap space, draft picks and prospects are all finite quantities.

It's a balancing act between trying to win now and not screwing ourselves for the future. The best GMs are the ones who are able to toe that line.

 

[LOFIN]

It can be done with retentions.

So you are suggesting we send another 1st rounder and a guy like Othmann (thinking Kravtsov holds any kind of value is lol) to SJ for Meier, and then a 2nd/3rd whatever to say Arizona to hold 1,5mil? For another rental?

Yeah, not going to happen.

 

[GAGLine]

Connor McDavid is the best player in the world.

He's 278th on this list:

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

If that doesn't illustrate the importance of having good young players on cheap contracts, I don't know what will.

 

[Kocur26]

No. It should be clear that no one agrees with you lol.

Yes, it must be me you are correct we won a ton of Stanley cups in the last 30 years.

Burning number 1 picks in consecutive years with no brass to show for it is the way to go.

 

[McRanger92]

When your team is a contender with elite talent at every level and you have an extra first rounder, you make this trade 101 times out of 100. The Dallas first was ALWAYS being used in a deadline trade, the win was getting one for Lundkvist, who is a bit player at best right now. We stack up very nicely against Eastern Conference contenders

Carolina lost Patches, they wont get Tarasenko, so now they need to deal major assets for Meier or another scorer with term to solve their playoff scoring issues.

Devils lost Hughes "week to week" to an upper body injury. He missed time with a shoulder injury last year. Does he seem like a player who will get healthier as the stretch run and playoffs move on? There has to be some real concern in Jersey right now because they don't have the star power to survive a long term injury. Im curious to see if this makes them more or less aggressive at the deadline. Bratt is going to get a big contract or be traded.

Tampa Bay concerns me only because of Vasilevsky. There's a lot of mileage on that team, and theyve lost significant depth and experience over the past couple years. It seems like the want to make a big move, but they they have no assets or cap space. I would not rule them out on Chychrun, he's a Florida boy.

Toronto will go for O'Reilly i bet. They should be able to score enough, their playoff issues have always been team defense and goalie related. Still dont know if they have the goaltending but at least they can convince themselves that Murray has the right experience. Call it a hunch but I think theyll finally break through and beat Tampa Bay in round 1.

Boston knows its their last dance. Bergeron & Krejci could both retire after the season. Pastrnak is going to blow up their cap. They have a lot of players who came back quickly from major surgery. Marchand, McAvoy, Gryzlyck. DeBrusk is currently recovering from surgery. I have said this before but older and injured teams dont usually become younger and healthier as the season wears on. The B's wont play a meaningful game for 2 months, then have to face Crosby, Ovechkin or Sorokin in R1. They dont have an easy path. If the Rangers can get to a point that Vesey-Goodrow are 4th liners and we add some excess on D, we're right there with them.

 

[Jim Ramsay]

No one is twisting their arm. You never "have to" make bad value trades of a first for what ends up in all likelihood to be 8 weeks of a player.

You have a vezina caliber goalie in his prime, a norris defenseman in his prime, three 25-30 goal scorers....You absolutely go for it. Theres only so many times things 'fall in line' to go for it. Every GM in the league would go for it

 

[LOFIN]

When your team is a contender with elite talent at every level and you have an extra first rounder, you make this trade 101 times out of 100. The Dallas first was ALWAYS being used in a deadline trade, the win was getting one for Lundkvist, who is a bit player at best right now. We stack up very nicely against Eastern Conference contenders

Carolina lost Patches, they wont get Tarasenko, so now they need to deal major assets for Meier or another scorer with term to solve their playoff scoring issues.

Devils lost Hughes "week to week" to an upper body injury. He missed time with a shoulder injury last year. Does he seem like a player who will get healthier as the stretch run and playoffs move on? There has to be some real concern in Jersey right now because they don't have the star power to survive a long term injury. Im curious to see if this makes them more or less aggressive at the deadline. Bratt is going to get a big contract or be traded.

Tampa Bay concerns me only because of Vasilevsky. There's a lot of mileage on that team, and theyve lost significant depth and experience over the past couple years. It seems like the want to make a big move, but they they have no assets or cap space. I would not rule them out on Chychrun, he's a Florida boy.

Toronto will go for O'Reilly i bet. They should be able to score enough, their playoff issues have always been team defense and goalie related. Still dont know if they have the goaltending but at least they can convince themselves that Murray has the right experience. Call it a hunch but I think theyll finally break through and beat Tampa Bay in round 1.

Boston knows its their last dance. Bergeron & Krejci could both retire after the season. Pastrnak is going to blow up their cap. They have a lot of players who came back quickly from major surgery. Marchand, McAvoy, Gryzlyck. DeBrusk is currently recovering from surgery. I have said this before but older and injured teams dont usually become younger and healthier as the season wears on. The B's wont play a meaningful game for 2 months, then have to face Crosby, Ovechkin or Sorokin in R1. They dont have an easy path. If the Rangers can get to a point that Vesey-Goodrow are 4th liners and we add some excess on D, we're right there with them.

Good post, but I take issue with the bolded. Last season it was absolutely not an issue with defence or goaltending. I mean Campbell didn't win them any games, but he didn't lose any either. They once again had issues with scoring. Marner, Nylander and Matthews pulled their weight until game 7. Their depth scoring wasn't there, when their stars faded in G7. Who stepped up for Tampa? Nick Paul.

And so far, they have not yet improved on that front, at least not in my eyes.

 

[BB88]

This seems like a very low risk quality move for Rangers.

They had extra picks and kept all their best young assets

 

[TominNC]

Nothing is given including this trades outcome. It’s why you play the better odds and try to win value exchanges always. 8 weeks of a player is almost never the winning value exchange. Like I said even at 31 this move is better if there was a chance he could be resigned.

8 weeks plus playoffs, v a prospect who may or may not contribute as much to a cup run. I agree, nothing is given. THIS team has enough talent and a goalie who can get really hot, to make a serious run. You take the shots in front of you instead of kicking the can down the road.

 

[Daves a mess]

100% Nathan Lafayette hitting the post - case in point.

All I’m saying is - load up.

And I love getting Tarasenko.

You said "load up ". In your original post you were yapping about getting Kane and Timo?

Fit this under the salary cap for me please.

And adding Tyler Motte in not " loading up".