Confirmed with Link: NYR/STL - Tarasenko to NYR

[mas0764]

Like I was with Staal and MSL, I am excited to see if Tarasenko can give this team a boost down the stretch, and if so, I'm excited to see what that looks like.

Still doesn't make it a good trade though.

 

[Lgrsean]

And you see the end goal as winning a cup. Some arbitrary achievement. The end goal should be transformative excellence. That is what is wrong with society.

Transformative excellence is nice, but I'd like them to aim for eternal bliss. And that can only be found from within. No more trades, draft picks, or free agents. Kumbaya.

 

[mas0764]

Again.
We are not done yet.
More moves coming.
Bank on it.

I doubt we do much else substantial. There's no cap room and not a lot to send out.

We might trade Krav because Gallant hates him but they wouldn't be getting back a meaningful upgrade this season and they'd be throwing away whatever potential he has left. In short, it'd be dumb.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think we overpaid, but I guess this was the "Buy it now" price.

I just don't know how that first didn't have a "games played" condition on it. Tarasenko is often injured. He's a sniper that's two weeks back from a hand injury. It's great that we're at least giving up the crappier of the two picks, but we never seem to be able to get good conditions on our trades, historically. I mean, the condition on the other pick is just making the playoffs, so it's basically a lock to improve to a 3rd.

If these guys play well, it's a moot point. But I do think this was a risky trade for a player with some city miles on him.

This is a good point.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Like I was with Staal and MSL, I am excited to see if Tarasenko can give this team a boost down the stretch, and if so, I'm excited to see what that looks like.

Still doesn't make it a good trade though.

Normally I let this stuff go but here I can't. Based on production, age, retention, team needs and cost compared to normal rentals, it is impossible to objectively look at this deal now and say it isn't a good trade.

 

[mas0764]

It's a good thing they'll still have the higher of their 1sts and have also kept all the guys who are closest to contributing. Rest assured they will be selecting in the 1st round of this draft lol.

But I'm of the opinion they need multiple long term forward pieces in their pipeline, and soon.

 

[haohmaru]

Like I was with Staal and MSL, I am excited to see if Tarasenko can give this team a boost down the stretch, and if so, I'm excited to see what that looks like.

Still doesn't make it a good trade though.

It's not "good" but it is fair to both teams. I don't know what you expected Tarasenko to go for realistically.

And you and I were on the same page - "keep the firsts" but I think the NYR brass views the window probably as the Shesterkin contract length which is probably somewhat fair depending on how Kakko and LaF develop.

Don't know much about how Rags play their d-zone. But you guys get from Mikkola agile, long reach, very physical, really good box out dmem who is decent at PK. Passing isn't his bet attributes, but play decent transition game. He can blossom like Hakanpää did in Dallas. He has room to grow. Hopefully scenery change will help him.

I read up to "Rags".

 

[huerter]

Don't know much about how Rags play their d-zone. But you guys get from Mikkola agile, long reach, very physical, really good box out dmem who is decent at PK. Passing isn't his bet attributes, but play decent transition game. He can blossom like Hakanpää did in Dallas. He has room to grow. Hopefully scenery change will help him.

Thanks for stopping by, RA!

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah, but winning one round isn't the goal.

I think that's this organization's problem.

It sees the end goal as winning a round or two. That placates the fanbase as sufficiently "fun," and placates ownership as sufficiently profitable.

I know you say "talent isn't the issue, it's the internal development that is holding us back," but until something else changes, all I have to point to regarding the consistent underachievement is adding more young talent.

Most contenders will only win a round at best. Only four of them are going on deep runs.

Which one of them is not going to add at the deadline? That's what playoff teams do.

 

[haohmaru]

But I'm of the opinion they need multiple long term forward pieces in their pipeline, and soon.

But isn't this what Chytil, LaF, Kakko, Othmann, Cuylle are? These guys are are 23 and under. We kept the better first. I'd be more wary of this trade had it been a case where we only had one 1st round pick.

 

[mas0764]

Most contenders will only win a round at best. Only four of them are going on deep runs.

Which one of them is not going to add at the deadline? That's what playoff teams do.

The Penguins didn't add heavily when they won. I looked at this a while back and posted it. My recollection is that prior to Tampa paying a first for Goodrow most of the recent winners before that did not add heavily at all.

 

[GAGLine]

I dont know why you guys think Tarry isnt going to end up on PP1. He is a left hander with a wicked shot, that's exactly what that PP has needed.

Who is he replacing? Trocheck is right-handed, which is what they want in that spot, and he takes faceoffs.

If Tarasenko is replacing him, Mika will have to take the draws and their strategies will have to change, though the latter might not be a bad thing. I'm just not sure Gallant will go that route.

 

[mas0764]

But isn't this what Chytil, LaF, Kakko, Othmann, Cuylle are? These guys are are 23 and under. We kept the better first. I'd be more wary of this trade had it been a case where we only had one 1st round pick.

I don't really know what Othmann and Cuylle are.

Yes, Laf, Kakko and Chytil are that. I'd continue to add until I had a second line of that youth, caliber and potential in hand.

 

[haohmaru]

Most contenders will only win a round at best. Only four of them are going on deep runs.

Which one of them is not going to add at the deadline? That's what playoff teams do.

I'd bet on NJ figuring out how to make Meier fit. I don't think the Bruins can do all that much iirc.

 

[Machinehead]

The Penguins didn't add heavily when they won. I looked at this a while back and posted it. My recollection is that prior to Tampa paying a first for Goodrow most of the recent winners before that did not add heavily at all.

The Penguins have Crosby and Malkin and one day peak Brett Hull (Guentzel) just fell from the sky.

Like, yeah, I hope we do that. Hope is all we can do.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

This is just wonderful, wonderful business from Drury.

Go get a great 4th line (cough Motte cough) and let’s get this thing rolling.

 

[LOFIN]

Finland vs Slovakia, 2019 IIHF WHC. Kakko scored a hat-trick in the 4-2 win, ALL 3 of his goals were assisted by Mikkola.

 

[Hire Sather]

The Rangers always have to give up a 1st.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'd bet on NJ figuring out how to make Meier fit. I don't think the Bruins can do all that much iirc.

I don't think Fitzgerald has the stones or the urgency to do this. Not now at least.

Carolina seems more likely to me. Its been shit or get off the pot time for them.

 

[The New Russian Five]

I don't really know what Othmann and Cuylle are.

Yes, Laf, Kakko and Chytil are that. I'd continue to add until I had a second line of that youth, caliber and potential in hand.

Rangers have Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, and Trocheck under contract for the next 3+ years. Likely 1 or 2 of them will go in that time, but there is no way we lose all 4 of them.

 

[Leonardo87]

The Rangers always have to give up a 1st.

At least they have another they can use at the draft. Was pretty sure they’d be moving one of them. I’m very cool with the return .

 

[Unpredictable1]

I'm absolutely convinced that for some on this board, the only worthy 3rd pair guy has to be a top pairing dman from another team.

 

[Daves a mess]

Drury talking to Vince Mercogliano.

 

[mas0764]

The Penguins have Crosby and Malkin and one day peak Brett Hull (Guentzel) just fell from the sky.

Like, yeah, I hope we do that. Hope is all we can do.

Maybe with an extra first we'd have a better chance to have our own Jake Guentzel fall from the sky.

 

[haohmaru]

The Rangers always have to give up a 1st.

Bo Horvat just cost an established NHL'er, the Islanders best forward prospect, and a 1st.

I think we did okay.

Drury talking to Vince Mercigliano.

Tyler freaking Motte.