And Addison played 16 minutes a night (with a much more games than Zac Jones) on a playoff team in MIN in 22-23 before being traded.
But you can. Despite playing 16 minutes a night in MIN they were constantly looking for an improvement due to Addison’s defensive issues. Think this is one of those where you continue to move the goal posts. So like feel free to think what you want about Jones. You’re just wrong.
I’m sorry but your assessment on any player west of the Mississippi is laughable at best too. Take extra care with your stones in your glass house.
And despite playing 16 minutes a night in NYR they are literally looking for an upgrade on Zac Jones in this thread.
Considering the OP literally said Lindgren, this is laughable bud. Like at this point you don’t even remember what you’re arguing about.
Current NYR have Zib, Troch and Chytil at C, near-term few years are solid
Yeah no problem at all! I think the big thing is that like as a Sharks fan we are used to all of our players just getting super undervalued on the main boards. This goes back to the Jumbo Joe and Patty Marleau days. A lot of these guys in here have very intelligent arguments on the Sharks board. Think there’s something about the main boards that makes everyone’s IQ drop a bit. Also think it’s so easy to get caught up in the mudslinging.
You've just so happened to have crossed paths with the trolliest troll to ever troll, it's not your fault
So then what price do you feel would be worth it to trade for someone like Walman? The Sharks would move Walman if the return made sense for their future. He's pretty clearly our best defenseman and useful to help develop our young forwards but he's not going to cost a premium.
Well yes but I like to think I can be level headed at time
I absolutely want him playing consistent minutes on the Rangers, a contender, this year. He’s better than virtually every 6 in the league.
If he was on the Sharks, he’d be in the NHL. I can’t believe this has to be said. Players don’t pick who draft them.
I’m a liar because you read a boxscore and think you know what you’re talking about on a subject you admit you don’t have personal knowledge on?
Jones was demoted to 7D in the last week. It makes no sense to me. Not a deserved demotion. He was playing well. Laviolette prefers Mancini, who is a good rookie and I think will be a capable NHL player, but Jones is better right now. The most obvious reason why he prefers him is because he’s 5 or 6 inches taller. This is what Jones is up against.
There's a million guys like Jones. He's a run of the mill, borderline NHLer at best. If you can find value in a trade for him elsewhere, that's fine, but he adds nothing to SJ except another in the backlog. Walman is proving to be a legit 2nd pairing guy, and (unfortunately) our best d-man. You can argue in a "pure value" sense that the trade might be fair, but that ignores it fills no needs at all for SJ. It makes us worse now and likely long term.
I agree it's mostly a wash but a big center is more valuable than a average size winger
Except, that's not true. Jones is actually a good player. He's not waiver wire trash. He'd stick on your team, and wouldn't look back. The Rangers have such a deep defense. A small guy that isn't like an Adam Fox small guy has such a tough route towards making it with the Rangers. It is what it is, but don't mistake that for that Jones is a borderline NHL'er.
Is NYR really that deep defensively tho?
Chad Ruhwedel was given a game by the coach because he didn't want the 7th defenseman to sit for too long without playing. To that point Jones had played every game. Then again, Lindgren was set to come back, so someone had to lose their lineup spot anyway. I know Jones did, but I think he's better than Mancini right now. Coach prefers the much taller player. Shocking.
I never called him waiver wire trash, but he's at best a borderline NHLer even on a trash team like the Sharks. Long term or short term, he's got no place with SJ.
