Proposal: NYR - SJ again

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don't see how this makes sense for SJ. Bystedt is a PPG in the AHL and Walman is a legit 2nd pairing dman that the Sharks desperately need. Zac jones would be a downgrade from Walman and Othmann, at best, would be an even swap with Bystedt.

I think the way you could paint that it is a fair trade for the Sharks is that Othmann-Bystedt is a wash and maybe even a slight edge to Othmann (slightly better pedigree over the years, but nothing huge).

Meanwhile, Walman for Jones is more of a move for fit. Walman is 28. If he’s even for real at this point, it’s probably short lived and for the end of his prime years (the next few). When the Sharks are good, he probably won’t be. Jones probably isn’t as good right now, but has shown he’s a capable bottom pair defenseman, at the very least. He moves the puck well and can run a PP. Rangers have had one of the deepest defenses in the league though and he also has the small bias working against him.

That’s even worse for contending teams because the coaches coach so safe and would sometimes rather just throw a tall guy back there who can’t play because they’re big or something (our last coach Gallant would say this stuff almost verbatim). For a team where he’s not competing with much and his size isn’t going to be scrutinized every last moment (the outlook is more about his age and potential), he could provide a good longterm fit. He’s only just turned 24 last Friday. He could be a solution for the Sharks for 5+ years as a 4-6.

I would suggest it leans a little towards the Rangers, but I don’t think this is something Sharks fans should be up in arms about. There are reasons why it’d make sense.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Nice try. Othmann is a bust.

Based on what?

 

[noncents]

this is where the deal dies.

The Sharks don't need to "clear salary", we're 11 million UNDER the cap.

also, the Sharks aren't trading their de facto best Defenseman and their 5th/6th best prospect for a couple of nobodies.

Yes, I said it, Othmann and Jones are nobodies. If we wanted low ceiling trash prospects there's plenty we can find on the waiver wire.

if othmann is nobody, bystedt is also nobody.

very comparable production in international play, AHL production, and pedigree.

the appeal of othmann, as one guy put it, is that he's an asshole. he plays with and over the edge, and he can play with high-end players and produce at projected top-6 rates. Who else do the sharks have that fits that description?

 

[seroes]

As others have said the Sharks don't need cap space right now. We have no big extensions coming for at least 2 years. Eklund being the only one in 2 years. In addition more bad/dead money will be coming off the books for the next 3 years. Burns, Vlassic, Granlund, Couture, Karlsson and Jones will all be coming off and nowhere near that amount of money will be resigning to replace it If anything we will start having trouble reaching the floor in a couple years.

What the Sharks are looking for now is significant futures in the form of young players, picks and prospects. We would probably be willing to take on cap to acquire those. If you would like a deal. I would suggest starting there.

 

[noncents]

As others have said the Sharks don't need cap space right now. We have no big extensions coming for at least 2 years. Eklund being the only one in 2 years. In addition more bad/dead money will be coming off the books for the next 3 years. Burns, Vlassic, Granlund, Couture, Karlsson and Jones will all be coming off and nowhere near that amount of money will be resigning to replace it If anything we will start having trouble reaching the floor in a couple years.

What the Sharks are looking for now is significant futures in the form of young players, picks and prospects. We would probably be willing to take on cap to acquire those. If you would like a deal. I would suggest starting there.

bruh othmann and jones are young players. if you want salary sure take ryan lindgren

 

[Alluckks]

Is KAndre Miller available? I think he's RFA soon right? Shouldve drafted him over Merkley sighhhh

Currently playing on the top pair with Fox that is graded out as one of the strongest pairs in the NHL

 

[Jared Dunn]

Sharks don't have all that many legit NHL players and should probably hang on to Walman until at least next year unless they get a stupid offer imo. That is definitely not what this is

 

[cwede]

absurdly low and illogical return for Othmann for NYR,
Othmann is what they (and most teams) need a young high-potential sniper

if they decide it's a priority, , they can add a depth D at much much lower cost
but right now NYR are so deep on D they waived their Vet #8D today

 

[Gecklund]

this feels terrible for both teams somehow. Congrats OP.

 

[dgibb10]

I think the way you could paint that it is a fair trade for the Sharks is that Othmann-Bystedt is a wash and maybe even a slight edge to Othmann (slightly better pedigree over the years, but nothing huge).

Meanwhile, Walman for Jones is more of a move for fit. Walman is 28. If he’s even for real at this point, it’s probably short lived and for the end of his prime years (the next few). When the Sharks are good, he probably won’t be. Jones probably isn’t as good right now, but has shown he’s a capable bottom pair defenseman, at the very least. He moves the puck well and can run a PP. Rangers have had one of the deepest defenses in the league though and he also has the small bias working against him.

That’s even worse for contending teams because the coaches coach so safe and would sometimes rather just throw a tall guy back there who can’t play because they’re big or something (our last coach Gallant would say this stuff almost verbatim). For a team where he’s not competing with much and his size isn’t going to be scrutinized every last moment (the outlook is more about his age and potential), he could provide a good longterm fit. He’s only just turned 24 last Friday. He could be a solution for the Sharks for 5+ years as a 4-6.

I would suggest it leans a little towards the Rangers, but I don’t think this is something Sharks fans should be up in arms about. There are reasons why it’d make sense.

The problem is San Jose can find a Zac Jones anywhere.

Sure he's younger, and sure, SJS should go younger, but that doesn't mean throwing away value in the process.

If SJS wants a Zac Jones type depth dman in the 23 year old age range they can find one easily, as shown by the Calen Addison trade or getting Nikita Okhotiuk as a throw in.

And there will be "well shit we're gonna have to waive this 23 year old so might as well get a 6th for him" opportunities out there for SJS if they want them.