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Confirmed with Link: NYR sign Pavel Buchnevich [2 yrs, $3.25M AAV]

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Fitzy said:
I like some of the things we saw from ADA, but I think he's getting pretty heavily overrated here. His first season that wasn't a trainwreck and we want to lock him up long term?

He should be and will be bridged, just like Buchnevich. These long term extensions for players coming off RFAs are primarily for guys with at least two full good seasons under their belts. Anything else is a big gamble with the goal of saving money 4-6 years from now.
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He had a VERY good season for basically a 1st full year. How is he getting overrated? Guy is oozing with offensive skill which is why he was a 1st round pick and that talent was on full display last season.
 
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Fitzy said:
I like some of the things we saw from ADA, but I think he's getting pretty heavily overrated here. His first season that wasn't a trainwreck and we want to lock him up long term?

He should be and will be bridged, just like Buchnevich. These long term extensions for players coming off RFAs are primarily for guys with at least two full good seasons under their belts. Anything else is a big gamble with the goal of saving money 4-6 years from now.
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He averaged .5 PPG with inconsistent ice time and limited PP time. He also had to carry Staal's useless ass for most of the 2nd half.

Say what you want, but there aren't a ton of D in this league who produce at that rate. With consistent PP time, he may very well be a 50 point D (and there are even fewer of those.)

I don't have a problem with bridging him, but there is no need to pooh-pooh the player.
 
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Little lower than I thought. Nice.

Hope we don’t trade him, I think he’s poised for a breakout. He’s likely going to playing with at least one of, if not two of, Panarin/Kakko/Zibanejad. He needs to pot at least 50 points next season, I could see him pushing 60 is he has a really hot stretch. If he plays like he did in the last 20 games, he’ll have a great season.
 
McCartney said:
Little lower than I thought. Nice.

Hope we don’t trade him, I think he’s poised for a breakout. He’s likely going to playing with at least one of, if not two of, Panarin/Kakko/Zibanejad. He needs to pot at least 50 points next season, I could see him pushing 60 is he has a really hot stretch. If he plays like he did in the last 20 games, he’ll have a great season.
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I think they're only trading him for a haul. So probably no need to worry. He starts or they get a lot for him. Happy either way.
 
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Fitzy said:
I like some of the things we saw from ADA, but I think he's getting pretty heavily overrated here. His first season that wasn't a trainwreck and we want to lock him up long term?

He should be and will be bridged, just like Buchnevich. These long term extensions for players coming off RFAs are primarily for guys with at least two full good seasons under their belts. Anything else is a big gamble with the goal of saving money 4-6 years from now.
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Well, if the world's greatest criminal mind says so...

McCartney said:
Little lower than I thought. Nice.

Hope we don’t trade him, I think he’s poised for a breakout. He’s likely going to playing with at least one of, if not two of, Panarin/Kakko/Zibanejad. He needs to pot at least 50 points next season, I could see him pushing 60 is he has a really hot stretch. If he plays like he did in the last 20 games, he’ll have a great season.
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Probably, although the Buchnevich-Howden-Lemieux line looked pretty good for a few games if memory serves (which it usually doesn't).
 
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McCartney said:
Little lower than I thought. Nice.

Hope we don’t trade him, I think he’s poised for a breakout. He’s likely going to playing with at least one of, if not two of, Panarin/Kakko/Zibanejad. He needs to pot at least 50 points next season, I could see him pushing 60 is he has a really hot stretch. If he plays like he did in the last 20 games, he’ll have a great season.
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He needs to play with more confidence on a game to game basis. Dude just seems to lack a consistent drive.
 
Inferno said:
Being a good gm is knowing when to recognize players are in their upswing, and signing them to contracts that over the life of the deal are considered high value contracts

Has DeAngelo done anything to deserve 8x5? No.

Will he be worth a lot more in 2 years? I believe so.
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You better hope so if you give him 8 years.

I’d give him a 1 year show me deal. If he shows, again, that he has solidified himself as a top-4 defenseman I’d go long terms rich him then.
 
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NYR Viper said:
You better hope so if you give him 8 years.

I’d give him a 1 year show me deal. If he shows, again, that he has solidified himself as a top-4 defenseman I’d go long terms rich him then.
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I think in 1 year he'd raise his value considerably...especially if he's the number 1 ppqb as I expect him to be.

Again I'm totally willing to admit it's a MAAAAAJOR gamble. But I'm willing to take it. I think in 2 years DeAngelo will be asking for and getting trouba money on the open market.
 
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Inferno said:
I think in 1 year he'd raise his value considerably...especially if he's the number 1 ppqb as I expect him to be.

Again I'm totally willing to admit it's a MAAAAAJOR gamble. But I'm willing to take it. I think in 2 years DeAngelo will be asking for and getting trouba money on the open market.
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Yeah that’s possible. That’s why one more year is where I’d go for now. You can always negotiate half way through the season.
 
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Never going to get a great value deal without taking risks going long term on guys before they break out. The Zibanejad one is great. Would have been even better if they’ve paid him slightly more and went 8 years instead of 5. Most contracts we gave out - even the bad ones like Staal and Girardis first long term deals - would have been better at 8 years than what they got.
 
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I like a one year prove it deal for ADA. By the end of the season ADA was real good but I got to see a larger piece of work before committing long term to ADA
 
If Buch plays like the way he did in the back half of the season, he's got 30 goal upside. He was a very different player under Quinn than AV. Going harder to the net, and driving from both sides of the ice.
 
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I don't think that lemieux or ADA are playing hardball. I think the holdup on their deals is waiting to see how much cap space we can clear...I think the team would love to sign both of them to multi year deals at a good rate. but the cap crunch might force them to go with 1 year deals at a lower rate and give them raises next summer.
 
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By several metrics ADA was one of the best offensive defensemen in the league last season. Small sample size but still very impressive for a guy playing basically his first full season. If he repeats next season and maybe improves a bit in his own zone, he's going to be worth a lot more. I'd try to lock him down long term for $4-5 mil since I think he's very likely at least a top 4 D barring any behavioral issues with plenty of opportunity for him to outplay that contract. It would be tough to give him that sort of contract though with our cap situation and would require ADA to be willing to accept it so maybe a smaller short term deal would be the move but I think it's worth at least considering.
 
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My stance has always been 1 year or 7/8 years for DeAngelo. A 2-year bridge is the worst case scenario as I believe he will likely raise his value to a point where we can't keep him in that time frame ($8M+ AAV with the cap increase). With only one year, he won't have a long enough track record to demand something egregious on a long-term extension.

I doubt Tony wants to go long this summer though, he seems like the "bet on myself" kind of guy.
 
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