Confirmed with Link: NYR sign Jacob Trouba 7 years / $8M AAV
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Uncle Dru
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That and the Full NMC being lifted for the final 2 years of the contract giving the Rangers some control there
Amazing Kreiderman
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Lower cap-hit than Ekman-Larsson is a win in my book
Chaels Arms
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Thinking about Trouba and Panarin, seems like for both of them their fiancee and girlfriend, respectively, was a big part of not just coming to NY but also committing to be here long term. For Trouba, his fiancee is about to become a doctor and wanted all the career opportunities NY has to bring. To quote Trouba, "Her career is as important as my career." Seems like a similar situation to Panarin whose girlfriend is a Russian model. You know he's not signing with Winnipeg or Edmonton for 8 years.
So, point of the story is, does anyone on here know any attractive female med school students or Russian models that they might be able to introduce to Connor McDavid?
So, point of the story is, does anyone on here know any attractive female med school students or Russian models that they might be able to introduce to Connor McDavid?
redwhiteandblue
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Well one of those things (trading away 4 draft picks) is not related to the other (bad contracts that haunt us). They are from two different GMs. You also were making a point of the value of draft picks. Not sure why you mentioned bad contracts handed out, I guess.
I wouldn’t say those are really haunting the team anyways. Seems a bit of an exaggeration. If we truly wanted to we would retain and attach a prospect to a contract and get it out of here. We are deep enough to afford that luxury now.
If you were to rid of one of Smith or Shatty right away the whole back end situation looks extremely bearable since, as you said, it’s only two years worth of blockage on the back end. We also only have 2 guys really knocking on the door where there’s one spot right now. Trying to pencil anyone in would be rushing a guy and we all remember how that life as a fan was.
I’m not defending the contracts but the situation is far from “haunting” the team. We’re none none of you around for Gomez and Drury? Or the ones before (even though there was no hard cap)?
HFBS
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The Shattenkirk contract is forgivable because the Rangers were making an effort when they thought they had a legitimate shot at the Cup.
The Staal contract isn't.
Nevertheless both contracts are haunting us as well as Smith and Girardi.
Just because the past may have been worse is now irrelevant, especially when there was no cap.
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Assuming he plays respectable top pair D, considering he is in his prime and considering his points per year, this is actually a fantastic deal.
Hf is notoriously awful at evaluating Defenseman though (prob bc it involves more than a score sheet) so I don't trust more than maybe 2 people's assessment of his actual D game.
Hf is notoriously awful at evaluating Defenseman though (prob bc it involves more than a score sheet) so I don't trust more than maybe 2 people's assessment of his actual D game.
redwhiteandblue
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Again, haunting is an overstatement. If this franchise wanted it could (at the price of paying for its own mistake) get out from under one of those deals and would be able to afford the price to get rid of them.
How is the fact that they have flexibility enough with assets and flexibility with time to wait out those contracts, yet it’s a “haunting” situation?
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I prefer a slight overpay for a very good player versus the alternative of not having that player at all. If a team sits around and only waits for perfect contracts that fit into their calculator then you just end up with a car that has a beautiful chassis but no engine.
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We have our own people here saying he is a 2nd pairing dman that is overpaid by 1.5 million lol
Citing "statistical analysis" where half the data is penalty minutes - which is definitely what I look straight for when evaluating how good a defenseman is!
aufheben
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LMAOLulzy responses to this on the WPG board. Especially amusing is that I guess on his IG account he reposted a years-old picture from during his holdout that was of a fan holding a sign that said, "I made more money than Trouba today." That he chose to repost that after the pic of him signing is...not being received well over there.
HFBS
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Because the salary cap crunch caused by these useless contracts is forcing the Rangers to trade Chris Kreider or some other competitive players when they're trying to compete for a Cup while Henrik is still playing. Is that too hard to understand?
Chytilmania
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Except those contracts don't have anything to do with retaining Kreider or not.
Amazing Kreiderman
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The reason we are trading Kreider isn't the bad contracts on the team, it's a combination of timing and his own contract. Had the Rangers committed to Kreider long-term when he was RFA in 2016, and he was signed for 7 years at 5.6m, we would have had him for 4 more years instead of 1 and it wouldn't even be a question whether or not we retain him
Yeahhhh sometimes the "bridge" contract of sorts bites you in the ass.
That said (and responding to the other posters post) I don't think any of this stuff like signing Panarin and Trouba is about trying to win a cup while Lundqvist is still around. I don't think the Rangers believe they're suddenly contenders next season. This is about acquiring talent and increasing the talent level of the team in the hopes that in a few years time when players like Kakko and Kravtsov and Chytil and Andersson and whoever on D have some years under their belts and are kicking their games into another gear that Trouba will still be in his prime anchoring the D and Panarin will still be putting up 80 points
Kreider isn't really the big questionmark...that is going to be Zibanejad and what do you do with him when his contract is up.
e: I love Lundqvist but I honestly don't think the Rangers believe he's the #1 guy who is going to backstop them to the cup. Mayyybe if he's rested he could steal a playoff series but I don't think any decisions are being made based on "we need to win one for Hank in the last two years of his contract!"
Lays
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Anyone calling Trouba overpaid is an idiot. He’s a bonafide #2 RHD at 25 years old. For example, Shatty’s 7x4 was signed 2 years ago and that was considered below market value by everyone because he wanted to sign here. There were rumors of him possibly getting 7.5x7 if he hadn’t wanted to sign with us. Shatty at the time of his deal was coming off a terrible playoff performance as well where Caps fans scape goated him and he wasn’t as good/young as Trouba.
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I also was very surprised to see sentiment of overpayment in earlier pages but happy to see more posts challenging it.
No way Trouba was overpaid.
These days NY Rangers is a desirable destination in pretty much all aspects including how well Gorton and the rest of front office have been running the organization and the rebuild. This is not a desolated corner of the NHL. This is not a mismanaged franchise. The way the organization treats its players is well known by word of mouth. No way Trouba would risk not getting to play for his and his fiancée’s first choice by asking beyond his value.
The Rangers could’ve easily return most what they lost in a trade if Trouba was asking for more than his fmv. Don’t you think he would not have gotten offers starting with $9 or very close if he were to hit UFA market next year? My idea of possible overpayment that the Rangers might have agreed to (30% or less) would have been giving him one year and then extending for another 8. Gorton probably (is) would have been very averse to this risk anyway.
As someone else noted, if we ignore a very minor cost they payed net of Hayes return we got prime years services of a young top tier UFA a year early!
No way Trouba was overpaid.
These days NY Rangers is a desirable destination in pretty much all aspects including how well Gorton and the rest of front office have been running the organization and the rebuild. This is not a desolated corner of the NHL. This is not a mismanaged franchise. The way the organization treats its players is well known by word of mouth. No way Trouba would risk not getting to play for his and his fiancée’s first choice by asking beyond his value.
The Rangers could’ve easily return most what they lost in a trade if Trouba was asking for more than his fmv. Don’t you think he would not have gotten offers starting with $9 or very close if he were to hit UFA market next year? My idea of possible overpayment that the Rangers might have agreed to (30% or less) would have been giving him one year and then extending for another 8. Gorton probably (is) would have been very averse to this risk anyway.
As someone else noted, if we ignore a very minor cost they payed net of Hayes return we got prime years services of a young top tier UFA a year early!
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Main Boards when Trouba signs with NYR: YoU oVeRpAiD a 2nD pAiRiNg DeFeNdEr
Main Boards if Trouba would have signed elsewhere: WhAt A gReAt DeAl HeS a StEaL aT 8 MiLl aNd HaS rOoM tO gRoW
Main Boards if Trouba would have signed elsewhere: WhAt A gReAt DeAl HeS a StEaL aT 8 MiLl aNd HaS rOoM tO gRoW
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For how many other teams would players take a salary cut to play? Montreal or Toronto? (Florida and Texas teams don’t count.)
Back when the cap was $39M, the market value for a top 4 defenseman was $3.5M.
As the cap rose, so did the value.
It went from $3.5M to $4.5M to $5.5M to $6M and now it's going to be $8M.
There is the element of it being the % of the cap. But the other driving force is that in the league currently, there is a shortage of legitimate Top 4 defensemen.
In other words, in a soon to be 32 team league, all 32 teams will not be able to ice 4 legitimate top 4 defensemen.
That's why a guy like Tyson Barrie is already asking for $8M.
Outside of CLB, there isn't a team that can back fill their top 4 with more than 1 player.
As a team whose fan base that has complained around the clock about how bad their defense is, I hope you guys get why Trouba got the contract he did.
I'm not suggesting you stop the complaining. It wouldn't be HFNYR without it, but at least I hope you understand why and how a player like Trouba gets $8M/YR.
As the cap rose, so did the value.
It went from $3.5M to $4.5M to $5.5M to $6M and now it's going to be $8M.
There is the element of it being the % of the cap. But the other driving force is that in the league currently, there is a shortage of legitimate Top 4 defensemen.
In other words, in a soon to be 32 team league, all 32 teams will not be able to ice 4 legitimate top 4 defensemen.
That's why a guy like Tyson Barrie is already asking for $8M.
Outside of CLB, there isn't a team that can back fill their top 4 with more than 1 player.
As a team whose fan base that has complained around the clock about how bad their defense is, I hope you guys get why Trouba got the contract he did.
I'm not suggesting you stop the complaining. It wouldn't be HFNYR without it, but at least I hope you understand why and how a player like Trouba gets $8M/YR.
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