Confirmed Trade: [NYR/OTT] Mika Zibanejad & 2018 2nd round pick for Derick Brassard & 2018 7th rounder

[gorangers0525]

every team needs to stick a guy on their first line... so in theory there is 30 first line centers. many teams cant decide who there first line center is and use 2 or even 3 guys in the spot

being on the first line... or even scoring 50 points... doesnt mean you can handle the responsibilities and the matchups that come with this title.

if you routinally get outplayed then you are someone being used beyond your proper role.

if rangers were happy with brassard in the role they wouldnt move him. most of us would say brassard is a very decent to slightly above average second liner... or a top 3 third liner. he would completely dominate as a third liner

Lmfao at third liner. Top tier #2c or low end #1. No, he doesn't get outplayed often and handle his competition very successfully.

 

[Korpse]

Dumb trade, 60 point centers aren't impossible to get a hold of. Would never trade a 23 year old Zibanejad for a 50-60 point center. He has as much potential, the sens are also not close enough to being a contender for this deal to make sense.

This kind of trade IMO defines (garbage trades) in the nhl. Are the Senators better? ya sure but the team still sucks overall and have no chance at a cup.. so y bother. what the hell is the point of this trade? First Silfverberg,now zibanejad. Murray is so bad at his job.

When you have Mark Stone in the system you can trade Silfverberg for a more established player. Ryan + Stone > Silfverberg + Stone.

 

[SenatorsLegionary]

Well from an objective POV , I think its fairly even in terms of skill right now and Zibs is 6 years younger for christs sakes. Thats not a small gap.

I just dont understand it from a Sens vantage. You gave up a 2nd to boot.

I honestly think that the 2nd was added because the Rangers paid Brassard's $2M bonus. That alone most likely upgraded what would have been a 4th or 5th into that 2nd rounder.

Even at that, Ottawa is having trouble finding spots on the big club for their prospects right now. If that's what it took to sway the Rangers' opinion to pull the trigger than so be it. Given Ottawa's draft record, the loss of the 2nd won't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

 

[JT Kreider]

When you have Mark Stone in the system you can trade Silfverberg for a more established player. Ryan + Stone > Silfverberg + Stone.

That makes no sense. It's not like keeping Silf would've cost you Stone. Or would it have? Then your equation would be Ryan + Stone > Silf and no Stone.

But I don't see how it was a choice between Silfverberg and Stone.

So make it simple and eliminate Stone from the equation and just say that you meant Ryan > Silf.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Dumb trade, 60 point centers aren't impossible to get a hold of. Would never trade a 23 year old Zibanejad for a 50-60 point center. He has as much potential, the sens are also not close enough to being a contender for this deal to make sense.

This kind of trade IMO defines (garbage trades) in the nhl. Are the Senators better? ya sure but the team still sucks overall and have no chance at a cup.. so y bother. what the hell is the point of this trade? First Silfverberg,now zibanejad. Murray is so bad at his job.

There were only 19 C's in the NHL that hit 60 points last year. 23 the year before. Brassard was one of them. Considering that isn't even 1 per team and multiple teams had more than 1 60 point C, they are kind of difficult to get.

 

[jw2]

Type of trade I expected from Rangers - get rid of some salary but get a good young roster player: looks like a slight immediate win for Ottawa but we will have to wait 3 years to judge that.

Seems like a fair deal. I can't see pros and cons for both sides

 

[Gardner McKay]

every team needs to stick a guy on their first line... so in theory there is 30 first line centers. many teams cant decide who there first line center is and use 2 or even 3 guys in the spot

being on the first line... or even scoring 50 points... doesnt mean you can handle the responsibilities and the matchups that come with this title.

if you routinally get outplayed then you are someone being used beyond your proper role.

if rangers were happy with brassard in the role they wouldnt move him. most of us would say brassard is a very decent to slightly above average second liner... or a top 3 third liner. he would completely dominate as a third liner

How many "average" second line C's or "top" 3C's put up 60 and 58 points in the last two years? Not many. 19 centers total last year and 23 total the year before. Oh, and Brassard put up 20 points in 24 games over the last two playoff runs and 32 in 47 over the last 3. But hey, who needs facts?

We were very happy with Brassard. We get younger, gain cap space (something we lack) and obtain an extra draft pick, something we have also lacked.

 

[Korpse]

That makes no sense. It's not like keeping Silf would've cost you Stone. Or would it have? Then your equation would be Ryan + Stone > Silf and no Stone.

But I don't see how it was a choice between Silfverberg and Stone.

So make it simple and eliminate Stone from the equation and just say that you meant Ryan > Silf. Like 3 + 1 > 2 + 1. Since the 1's are even its just 3>2.

Ill expand on what I meant. I could see an argument for either side depending on team needs. With Ottawa having Mark Stone the need for a guy like Silfverberg is dimishnied. I'm not sure Ottawa goes and makes that trade if they aren't confident in Stone. I'm sure this trade is similar in a way. They see White and Brown and really like what they have with those two and are willing to move youth for a more established player. It's great to have a lot of young players in your system but you also can't overlook the importance of having experienced players.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Ill expand on what I meant. I could see an argument for either side depending on team needs. With Ottawa having Mark Stone the need for a guy like Silfverberg is dimishnied. I'm not sure Ottawa goes and makes that trade if they aren't confident in Stone. I'm sure this trade is similar in a way. They see White and Brown and really like what they have with those two and are willing to move youth for a more established player. It's great to have a lot of young players in your system but you also can't overlook the importance of having experienced players.

I know what you are saying. It is the same as when we traded Fedor Tyutin for Zherdev in 2007 or 2008 (cant remember the year). With Girardi coming into the mix it made Tyutin expendable for an offensive threat that we were lacking after Jagr left.

You deal from a position of strength to address a position of weakness.

 

[Riptide]

Dorion got owned here.

Brassard is the better player today, but the Sens aren't a Brassard away from anything special.

Gave up on a good, controlled young asset for no good reason.

Except they're a step closer to being a more consistent team and hopefully one that can make the playoffs.

As for the "controlled asset" part, both have the same amount of years of control left. If Zippy signs a 2 year deal, he will be a UFA at the same time Brassard will be.

Ottawa might have "lost" this trade, but honestly? I think this makes them a better team.

 

[Shootertooter]

Type of trade I expected from Rangers - get rid of some salary but get a good young roster player: looks like a slight immediate win for Ottawa but we will have to wait 3 years to judge that.

Seems like a fair deal. I can't see pros and cons for both sides

I think it is tough to call it a win for either club. I mean the Rangers addressed a bunch of needs.....they got younger, faster and cheaper and they got a 2nd rder to boot. Zib's points are only 6 or 7 off from Brass's. They freed up some cap as well and maybe that signals another move coming.

I've always liked Mika, glad they made a play for him, he will be a solid 2nd line C.

Brassard was a very good player for the Rangers. I am sorry to see him go. I didn't see it coming either. Someone said they might not have been happy with him to have moved him but that is simply not the case. The guy was consistent and one of their better playoff players. I think his cap hit is 5m this season but 10 million in total for the next 3 seasons. He is quick, he is in his prime, his salary is fair and he is pretty consistent.

I'm not sure if that addresses Ott's needs but they could have done a lot worse.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Have all Canadian team GMs, other than Toronto, decided to collectively make dumb as **** trades?

 

[Benjamin]

If you look at stats, its a good trade for the Rangers. Zibanejad has a lot of problems that you only notice if you watch him consistently. He also has a lot of potential, to be fair. I could see him being any where from a 40-55 point player. Skilled, no doubt, but lacks IQ, drive and playmaking to be a serious point producer. He can still be a 55 point, 25g-30a powerforward.

Despite two straight 50 point seasons, he's been a lower impact player(for a top 6 forward).

The Sens now have a legit top 6, top 4 D, and a goalie that can steal a series in Anderson. Also removed a coach that doesn't understand special teams and how to make changes mid games. The Sens are a playoff team.

 

[JT Kreider]

Ill expand on what I meant. I could see an argument for either side depending on team needs. With Ottawa having Mark Stone the need for a guy like Silfverberg is dimishnied. I'm not sure Ottawa goes and makes that trade if they aren't confident in Stone. I'm sure this trade is similar in a way. They see White and Brown and really like what they have with those two and are willing to move youth for a more established player. It's great to have a lot of young players in your system but you also can't overlook the importance of having experienced players.

This is true. Don't want to waste away Karlsson's prime years. The Senators still have enough young established players and top prospects in the pool to make up for Zibanejad.

It's absolutely a win-win for both teams. Everyone accomplished what they needed to.

Senators should definitely be a playoff contender this season and as they say all you have to do is get in and anything can happen. I have OTT as the 3rd best team in the ATL, 4th best if Montreal doesn't epically implode from inside out.

 

[SPF6ty9]

DJ Z-Bad will have far more clubs to ply his trade in NYC. Wish him the best both on and off the ice

I hope the Canada Day boat cruise show is still on his tour schedule

I like this deal as an Ottawa fan. Brassard is definitely the superior player and from the sounds of it brings it consistently whereas Zibanejad is maddeningly inconsistent, which I am happy to not have to deal with anymore. I do think based on Zbads perceived league wide value it seems like adding the 2nd was overkill but I'm happy to have Brassard and hopefully this does't start a trend of Dorion trading away picks like hockey cards.

 

[Gardner McKay]

This is true. Don't want to waste away Karlsson's prime years. The Senators still have enough young established players and top prospects in the pool to make up for Zibanejad.

It's absolutely a win-win for both teams. Everyone accomplished what they needed to.

Senators should definitely be in playoff contention and as they say all you have to do is get in and anything can happen.

As Aufheben pointed out. Karlsson and Brassard on the PP? Damn.

People forget we take all the risk here. Potential is... just that. Potential. If Zibanejad regresses this year to a 40 point player and stays there it is a huge loss for us. If he hits his potential it is a win. We won't know for a few years. Right now it is a smart trade for both teams.

 

[Plub]

I think both teams did well, but the Rangers will be better for it.

 

[Nordic*]

When you have Mark Stone in the system you can trade Silfverberg for a more established player. Ryan + Stone > Silfverberg + Stone.

Silfverberg is a better hockey player than Ryan. Silfver is elite defensively and takes his game to another level in the playoffs.

On top of that, that trade wasn't just Silfver for Ryan, Anaheim also got a 1st (Ritchie) and Noesen, who sadly got badly injured just after being traded.

Ryan was atrocious the last 40ish games last season. When he doesn't score, he does nothing else well and does hardly contribute at all.

Ryan also has a cap that is sinking Ottawa. There's even been talk around not protecting him when the expansion draft comes around.

Likeable guy, extremely overrated player.

 

[Riptide]

Makes perfect sense. Sens are a budget team and made a lateral move to do the equivalent of getting a centre on a 3x3 contract. They have lots of raises next season. Zibanejad has potential to be better than Brassard, but they clearly were sure enough about the odds of him reaching that being low to swap him for a cost controlled asset.

Maybe the Sens genuinely feel they made a huge upgrade, but COST CONTROL is probably the reason this trade was made.

This is the reality Sens fans need to accept. From the perspective of Ottawa being a budget team, this is a good move. It is a hard pill to swallow for sure, but Zibanejad might get 5-6 million next year where Brassard will be locked down at 3.

I don't think it was the sole reason the move was made, but I think its very fair to say it played a part in it. And honestly, why not? Getting a top 2 center for 3.3m (salary) over the next 3 seasons is huge when you're a team with a tighter budget then other teams.

 

[The Expert]

I love this trade for the Sens.

Zibanejad is so tantalizing until you actually watch him play regularly or have him on your team. Physical specimen with a great shot. Could be an absolute power forward.

Unfortunately chooses not to hit and has a poor work ethic. Love this.

Zibanejad has too much talent to look invisible 50 games a year. It's almost a talent in itself to look invisible with the tools he has.

 

[ffh]

Have all Canadian team GMs, other than Toronto, decided to collectively make dumb as **** trades?

chevys only 2 trades.
bogo and kane for Meyers, Stafford, Lemieux,armia and roslovic.

and ladd for dano and a 1st.

hardly what I would call dumb.

 

[Riptide]

They must believe that Brassard will significantly outscore Zibanejad over the next 2-3 years

I think it has more to do (when looking at the on ice aspects) with the idea that Brassard will mesh better with his wingers (likely 2 of Hoffman, Ryan, Stone, MacA) then Zibby did (or rather didn't).

 

[Riptide]

Why worry about cap friendly deals when you have a cost controlled zibby?

How is he "cost controlled"? He needs a new contract next year. Odds are he's going to get a raise - where he'll almost certainly make more money then Brassard will. And if you want to talk about team control, even there he only has 2 RFA years left at which point he'll be a UFA.

Sens add a second round pick? Hahahaha

2nd round picks are very overrated on HF. Especially one when it's 2 years off (2018 2nd). It's going to be 5 or 6 years from now before New York gets the benefit of that pick (assuming they draft with it) and that player becomes an impact player for them; if he ever does.

 

[sparxx87]

Ottawa wins this trade by a mile. Zibanajed is soft and lazy. Comes to work everyday with all the tools, but usually doesn't bother to open his toolbox.

Gotta wonder what the Rangers pro scouts were doing all year, they surely didn't spend much time watching the Senators.

 

[Benttheknee]

The Sens win this trade for the next year, perhaps 2. The Rangers win this trade after, and while Zibanejad is playing 2nd line center in 2023, Brassard will be in his 2nd year of a comfortable retirement.

This trade is made possible by a team taking advantage of their cash and another selling assets for cash.