Confirmed Trade: [NYR/OTT] Mika Zibanejad & 2018 2nd round pick for Derick Brassard & 2018 7th rounder

[aufheben]

Sens had 4 righty centres last season, so flipping a righty for a lefty is nice.

Brassard is also a playmaker, something Ottawa desperately needed to play with Hoff and Ryan.

AND, Zibanejad is likely going to make 5M+ next season. Turris will need a new contract soon, and will be due for a big raise, in combination with White and Brown soon to be knocking on the door, it makes a lot of sense.

He will probably do cool things on the powerplay with Karlsson too.

 

[bert]

Love it how senator fans tried to defend their lineup with arguments like "youth" and "potential". When they lose their one promising asset up front, he suddenly sucks.

Ottawas getting worse and worse and worse. Save yourself, Erik!

He has been a polarizing figure for sens fans for quite some time. He has shown some great glimpses or talent. I think if he came into camp in shape, and the rumors of him preferring DJ'ing to hockey didnt exist you would see more fans upset about this deal. From an asset management stand point it certainly looks like the Rangers won. However there are alot of positives for the sens too, it addressed a big need and made the team better. It has given them some more financial flexibility. I think Zibanejad's looming contract with all his inconsistencies scared management.

I know as a sens fan I am looking forward to next season the changes Dorion has made have been great to see in my opinion. The players that lacked consistency and hockey sense (not hockey sense for mika) are now gone this team is being put into a new direction. They lacked leadership you can only have so many young players, Brassards ability to raise his game in the playoffs will command respect in the room. Brassards timeline of his contract and what Ottawa has coming down the pipeline made this deal make sense for the sens especially when they have to extend Karlsson.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Yes, he's a very good skater. Quick feet, quick hands. Blistering slapshot. Excellent vision.

He's very good. Sens got an upgrade IMO, but Zibs could breakout for us. Good trade for both.

Ok, good to hear.

Yeah, I think this works for both sides. I'm not sure why the Rangers did it though. You were happy with Brassard, I assume, why did they trade him for a kid that may or may not one day be as good?

Even if they're going into a re-tooling...the more I think about it, it's not like Brassard is old as the hills.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Is Brassard speedy?

No, but he's not slow either. I don't know why someone answered "yes" to him being a speedster.

 

[Halla]

bad for ottawa. Brassard will be 29 when the season starts, and has hit 20 goals once, and 50+ points twice. Zibanejad already has a pair of 20 goal seasons and a 50pt season by the time he was 23 (brassard didnt do it until he was 27)

also kicking in a 2nd? if this was for a #1C why not?
Is brassard that? nope

 

[FLYLine27*]

bad for ottawa. Brassard will be 29 when the season starts, and has hit 20 goals once, and 50+ points twice. Zibanejad already has a pair of 20 goal seasons and a 50pt season by the time he was 23 (brassard didnt do it until he was 27)

also kicking in a 2nd? if this was for a #1C why not?
Is brassard that? nope

Point wise, he is a considered a low end 1st line center. So he is a 1C.

 

[Meichel Kane]

Ottawa seems stuck in good-not-great mode. Seems like the kind of move a budget team makes to make the playoffs.

 

[SpezDispenser]

No, but he's not slow either. I don't know why someone answered "yes" to him being a speedster.

Fair enough.

 

[bert]

bad for ottawa. Brassard will be 29 when the season starts, and has hit 20 goals once, and 50+ points twice. Zibanejad already has a pair of 20 goal seasons and a 50pt season by the time he was 23 (brassard didnt do it until he was 27)

also kicking in a 2nd? if this was for a #1C why not?
Is brassard that? nope

As an outsider unfamiliar with the sens I understand that perspective. But if you read the thread I think you may understand it from a sens perspective.

Asset wise the Rangers definitely won but I think its going to be win win for both teams.

 

[Riptide]

Rangers win IMO. Zibanejad is younger, cheaper, under team control for longer and will be the better player within a year or two.

Only if he signs a contract that's longer then 2 years on his next deal. If he signs a 2 year deal, he will be a UFA at the end of it - which will be at the same time as when Brassards contract ends.

 

[KPower]

Point wise, he is a considered a low end 1st line center. So he is a 1C.

If the league expands to 100 teams maybe.

 

[KingWantsCup]

Brassard is going to be 29 by the time the season starts. The Rangers just got 6 years younger and got a pick too. This is the type of move they need to be making...get the team younger, start building an under 25 core, and add picks to re-stock a pretty pathetic prospect pool.

Perfectly said. This is phenomenal asset management. Even if Zib remains "just" a 50 point player, the Rangers win this trade. Obviously Zib is a player with a higher ceiling than that though with him only being 23.

I've been pumping Gorton's tires for a good while now, happy to see him having a nice off season thus far.

 

[93LEAFS]

I don't really get this trade for either team, particularly for Ottawa. They aren't serious contenders right now and they traded a 23 year old for a guy who is about to be 29. For the Rangers, I only think it makes sense if this is the start of a re-tool. I'm not that high on either player, but I'm surprised Ottawa had to add the 2nd. If Ottawa was dumping him due to the work-ethic rumors then it makes more sense.

 

[BK201]

Ugghhhh I loathe this trade so much eventually zib will be better than Brassard.

I use to watch Columbus and it's not like Brassard put it together even like Zibby at his age.

Calling it now, in 3 seasons 65-70 point #1 center.

Next year he could hit 60 points. If he actually plays well holy **** what a bad trade.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Point wise, he is a considered a low end 1st line center. So he is a 1C.

every team needs to stick a guy on their first line... so in theory there is 30 first line centers. many teams cant decide who there first line center is and use 2 or even 3 guys in the spot

being on the first line... or even scoring 50 points... doesnt mean you can handle the responsibilities and the matchups that come with this title.

if you routinally get outplayed then you are someone being used beyond your proper role.

if rangers were happy with brassard in the role they wouldnt move him. most of us would say brassard is a very decent to slightly above average second liner... or a top 3 third liner. he would completely dominate as a third liner

 

[M.C.G. 31]

It's kind of a wash for me, IMO. I don't see Zibanejad ever being more than a #2 and I think Brassard fits in very well with Ottawa and they can roll two 1B centers with Brassard and Turris.

Ottawa seems stuck in good-not-great mode. Seems like the kind of move a budget team makes to make the playoffs.

It's pretty much the only type of move they can make thanks to their owner - at least until they move to LeBreton.

 

[JT Kreider]

Brassard is the better player for sure, but the Rangers were and still are desperate for young players and picks. Zibanejad is now our best young player. I wouldn't mind trading Klein and Zucc in similar deals while we're at it. There's no point in waiting any longer. We're not going to be contenders this upcoming season and the longer we wait, the older they get and they more they depreciate.

I'm just worried that AV is going to dick around Zibs. I have no faith that he can get that potential out of him.

 

[MarcusKane*]

Dumb trade, 60 point centers aren't impossible to get a hold of. Would never trade a 23 year old Zibanejad for a 50-60 point center. He has as much potential, the sens are also not close enough to being a contender for this deal to make sense.

This kind of trade IMO defines (garbage trades) in the nhl. Are the Senators better? ya sure but the team still sucks overall and have no chance at a cup.. so y bother. what the hell is the point of this trade? First Silfverberg,now zibanejad. Murray is so bad at his job.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Murray is so bad at his job.

Something wrong with this statement...can't put my finger on it though....

 

[Gardner McKay]

He will probably do cool things on the powerplay with Karlsson too.

Oh god. I can see Brassard having 65-70 points next year with Karlsson feeding him on the PP.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

the rangers pantsed the sens

agrred

edit; i stand by my post.

 

[Ismellofhockey]

Yes, he's a very good skater. Quick feet, quick hands. Blistering slapshot. Excellent vision.

He's very good. Sens got an upgrade IMO, but Zibs could breakout for us. Good trade for both.

This makes me comfortable with the trade.

Zibby is a good player, and I'm sure the Rangers will put him to good use. But he didn't really fit with Hoffman. Brassard will hopefully be a better fit with the team, and I'm always happy to add speed. Brassard is owed less money over the remaining years of the contract, he's a local, so we have a good chance of re-signing him, and I think he gives us a better chance at keeping Karlsson. Karlsson and Zibanejad didn't really click either. Hoffman and Karlsson are magic, and Brassard is more like Hoffman than Zibanejad is.

For New York, this obviously fits into their retool, getting two younger assets. It was easier to understand off the bat for the Rangers. But I think adding a fast, skilled, two-way centre is exactly what the Sens needed. Zibanejad is more of a goal-mouth scorer and likely won't carry the play up ice as well as Brassard for a few more years yet.

 

[BK201]

Something wrong with this statement...can't put my finger on it though....

well i guess he did try to just throw money at Stamkos

 

[scrubadam]

I don't really get this trade for either team, particularly for Ottawa. They aren't serious contenders right now and they traded a 23 year old for a guy who is about to be 29. For the Rangers, I only think it makes sense if this is the start of a re-tool. I'm not that high on either player, but I'm surprised Ottawa had to add the 2nd. If Ottawa was dumping him due to the work-ethic rumors then it makes more sense.

Well for NYR they have been trading away draft picks and prospects like crazy chasing the cup. They needs some youth and Z adds that to their lineup. He is still young but already an NHLer so no need to wait for him to rippen.

I think NYR needs to do a few more moves like this or they will soon be an over the hill team that will have to tank for a few years to become good.

 

[Gardner McKay]

If the league expands to 100 teams maybe.

Have you bothered to look at Brassards production and the rate #1C's produced at over the past year or two?


On a side note, after taking some time to reflect, I am not understanding why or how any body can immediately say it is a complete win for either team. Both teams solve major issues with this trade.

Ottawa, although gets a bit older, gets a player in his prime that fans will really enjoy. Not to mention they save a lot in real $$$.

Rangers get a younger player and get some immediate cap relief to make other needed moves and get a player that if he hits his potential will be slightly better than Brass and if not be slightly worse. We also get a pick to help us replenish our very depleted farm system.

As of right now this is a win-win for both teams. In 2-3 years we will really be able to tell who won this trade or if it remains to be a good hockey trade for two teams.