Confirmed Trade: [NYR/OTT] Mika Zibanejad & 2018 2nd round pick for Derick Brassard & 2018 7th rounder

[Boud]

Hey Sens fans, who were Zibbys most frequent wingers ?

Ryan and Hoffman.

 

[NoShowWilly]

i think the 2nd has to do with the fact that the 2m signing bonus was already paid this offseason. two million is two million. Might have been a lesser pick otherwise.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Brassard is a bonafide 1st line center who's dynamite on the PP. Pretty consistent and is good for roof shattering celebrations.

He will be very sorely missed here.

That's a bit of an overstatement, IMO..and I loved Brass. Not saying he isn't a very good player, but he's not even the Rangers #1C. And honestly, his lack of consistency was my biggest issue with him. His numbers were very good the past 2 seasons, but he scores in bunches, and then will play a handful of lackluster games in between.

Think this is a wait and see approach to who wins this trade, but I like it for the Rangers on paper. Saves a couple of mil in cap space, and get a younger player with some good potential...along with a draft pick.

 

[bert]

Exactly he keeps getting better.

Does he though? Yea his point totals are getting better but he gets alot of opportunity with really good players. He just doesnt seem to have it... The talent is there but thats not the issue for me. Coming into camp out of shape two years in a row, looking disinterested at times. His updside is very high but I have heard/seen too much to think that he will ever realize it. He should be as good as Scheifele if he put in the work but he doesnt do it.

I do think that 1 for 1 should have been the deal and the sens overpaid however they addressed a big need. They needed a left handed centermen, they needed a more mature room. Brassard is certainly the better player now but if Zibanejad does get it together he could end up being just as good.

Its the sens so you have to take the money, and contract term into account. Brassard having a front loaded contract and the fact that his deal expires in 3 years when Karlsson is up is something we have to look at. I think he sens are hoping in 3 years Logan Brown is ready to step into that top 6 centerman role.

I found Zibanejad very frustrating because you can see the full package but like I said earlier his attitude leaves alot to be desired and he is very inconsistent. I talked about this when he declined to play for Sweden at the World Championships, I think it would have given him the push to get on the World Cup team. He just doesnt seem to have that extra gear, or real competitive attitude thriving to be better.

 

[Roo Mad Bro]

I don't know what to think of this trade.

 

[John Pedro]

Brassard career-high two seasons ago was 47 pts as a 26-year-old. Zib had 51pts as a 22y old. On top of that, they gave a 2rd. wow

way to be hosed, Ottawa.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Makes sense for the Rongos, they needed cap space, but why exactly does Ottawa do this?

 

[SpezDispenser]

I totally see why they traded Zibanejad, but I'm surprised it was for a player that's only moderately better and that he's not a piece in a much bigger trade.

How's Brassard's defensive game?

 

[FLYLine27*]

I feel like Ziba is being overrated here. I don't ever see him outproducing or being better than what Brassard currently is. Ziba has played four full seasons and his game hasn't progressed a ton over the years, he still has the same flaws that he had.

He's increased his production every season in those 4 years....and he just turned 23. He's done developing? Ok.

 

[rvdnsx]

Risky deal considering you know what Brassard brings now compared to what Zib "might" bring in the next couple years. Rangers get younger but Brassard wasn't that old either. More of a shakeup move I think for Rangers players; basically work your ass off or you might be traded for someone younger. Rangers Cup window slammed shut when they lost to the Pens and the team as constructed wasn't coming out of the East.

Retooling would be the best way to put it, not a fire sale but still changing the makeup of the team.

 

[major major]

As a Sens fan I'm really disappointed we traded Zibanejad.


He's a big, fast, rugged centre with a huge shot (Clocked at 106 MPH). When Turris went down last season, Zibanejad took over the #1 C spot and put up 20 points in his last 20 games of the season. I think Zibanejad would've put 60 points in a Sens jersey as soon as next season.

If we take a look at advanced stats we also see that Zibanejad had better Corsi Rel (1.2) than Brassard (-0.8) which is not all that reassuring if you ask me. I think Brassard is the better player today, but I don't think he's better by much.

I think the Rangers will win this trade in the long run, right now it's fairly close. I think Ottawa made the trade because Zibanejad didn't really have much chemistry with our wingers. With Colin White, Logan Brown, Filip Chlapik and even Nick Paul coming sooner than later, Ottawa made a commitment to getting better right now and I do like that but the age difference is quite big and the question will really become how much better will Ryan/Stone and Hoffman/MacArthur be with a guy like Brassard.

Brass has 44 pts in his last 59 playoff games. That's one of the highest totals in the league. I think he gets underrated here.

 

[Boud]

Does this affect Mike Hoffman? Ottawa took more money in this deal.

Not at all actually.

Zbanejad is getting paid 3.25 this season but will need a new deal next season and will easily make at the very very least 4.5-5M.

Brassard is making 5M this season, but 3.5 for the 2 following seasons.

Over the next 3 years Ottawa will save some money, this was probably a big part of the deal.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Awful for the sens. Zibanejad is cheaper and 5 years younger, and already scores at a higher rate than Brassard. This trade makes no sense at all. Rangers win hands down.

Makes perfect sense. Sens are a budget team and made a lateral move to do the equivalent of getting a centre on a 3x3 contract. They have lots of raises next season. Zibanejad has potential to be better than Brassard, but they clearly were sure enough about the odds of him reaching that being low to swap him for a cost controlled asset.

Maybe the Sens genuinely feel they made a huge upgrade, but COST CONTROL is probably the reason this trade was made.

This is the reality Sens fans need to accept. From the perspective of Ottawa being a budget team, this is a good move. It is a hard pill to swallow for sure, but Zibanejad might get 5-6 million next year where Brassard will be locked down at 3.

 

[Dampland]

I don't watch these two teams enough for a solid opinion, but at face value, it seems like the Sens gave up too much.

 

[Doriva]

I totally see why they traded Zibanejad, but I'm surprised it was for a player that's only moderately better and that he's not a piece in a much bigger trade.

How's Brassard's defensive game?

Very solid, Brass is a well-rounded 1st line center now.

 

[gump116]

I know it's unpopular to say, but this trade actually seems pretty fair for both sides. As a Rangers fan I really like it. Get younger and a right handed shot which the team really needs. Don't know as much about it from the sens side, but seems like they were looking for a left handed shot that could be a 1/2C with Turris. That describes Brassard to a T.

 

[FLYLine27*]

I totally see why they traded Zibanejad, but I'm surprised it was for a player that's only moderately better and that he's not a piece in a much bigger trade.

How's Brassard's defensive game?

Not terrible, not a defensive mind center either.

 

[Stealth JD]

I like this trade more for Ottawa. Brassard is the better player and Zibanejad just seems to be a guy who's never going to reach his full potential. He's a decent NHL'er...but nothing special. NYR gets younger, so I guess that's nice. Makes sense for both teams...but losing Brassard is a bigger loss than losing Zibanejad.

 

[Roo Mad Bro]

Does he though? Yea his point totals are getting better but he gets alot of opportunity with really good players. He just doesnt seem to have it... The talent is there but thats not the issue for me. Coming into camp out of shape two years in a row, looking disinterested at times. His updside is very high but I have heard/seen too much to think that he will ever realize it. He should be as good as Scheifele if he put in the work but he doesnt do it.

I do think that 1 for 1 should have been the deal and the sens overpaid however they addressed a big need. They needed a left handed centermen, they needed a more mature room. Brassard is certainly the better player now but if Zibanejad does get it together he could end up being just as good.

Its the sens so you have to take the money, and contract term into account. Brassard having a front loaded contract and the fact that his deal expires in 3 years when Karlsson is up is something we have to look at. I think he sens are hoping in 3 years Logan Brown is ready to step into that top 6 centerman role.

I found Zibanejad very frustrating because you can see the full package but like I said earlier his attitude leaves alot to be desired and he is very inconsistent. I talked about this when he declined to play for Sweden at the World Championships, I think it would have given him the push to get on the World Cup team. He just doesnt seem to have that extra gear, or real competitive attitude thriving to be better.

Wasn't it the Sens who had character concerns over Couturier around draft time? I heard that a lot back then by a ton of Sens fans.

Now it seems like Zibanejad was the one all along who had the character issues lol.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Longterm its good for us, but it sucks to lose Brass He has improved every season and i really think he will only get better for atleast 4 more years. We needed to get younger and we needed RH forwards so i understand the trade. Just sad to see Brass go when we lost Hags the year before. Two guys i really liked. Guess Bernmeister will be happy that we got younger.

Zucc has lost his two bestfriends in Hags and Brass now....

 

[ottawa]

Ouch, sens got fleeced here.

 

[Korpse]

Does this affect Mike Hoffman? Ottawa took more money in this deal.

They actually saved 250k on salary this year. And Zibanejad is due for a raise after this season so hey saved for the next three seasons.

 

[CodeE]

On paper it looks like the Rangers won this trade, but in reality Brassard was always one of the more impressive Rangers forwards I've seen over the past couple of years. The Rangers don't really have that "wow" star forward who amazes you whenever you watch him play, but Brassard was a real solid guy.

Still, Ziba is younger, less cap hit, potential to get better, plus they add a 2nd.

 

[Wats]

Canadian teams...stahp.

 

[iamthewalrus]

I'm conflicted. It's by no means a bad trade for either side, but I love Brassard =(