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Confirmed with Link: [NYR/NSH] Michael Del Zotto for Kevin Klein

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This is a pretty good trade considering how MDZ's season has gone - healthy scratch, poor pinch decisions, bad reads and turnovers. He's really struggled over the past two years and there really wasn't much more of a chance that the Rangers could've given him. He had his shot and obviously it's not working here for whatever reason.

Klein is Sauer-esque. Responsible defensively, good 3/4 guy (and MDZ was playing 5/6 or not playing), and not a guy you want to tangle with. He'll fight when he has to and he's pretty good at it. Not sure how a rock solid 3/4 on your back end is a downgrade over a 5/6 "PMD" that can't seem to score anymore. And I like MDZ, just not here. Not anymore.

Klein is older, yes, but he's also locked up pretty reasonably for 3+ years. MDZ is an RFA that's arbitration eligible (iirc) and is NOT going to end up being cheaper than Klein is. MDZ might blossom elsewhere and, honestly, I hope he does. He's had his chance here and you can't really throw Sather under the bus for believing that MDZ might excel under a coach like AV and then MDZ **** the bed while killing his trade value. I think the Rangers addressed a need that's been a hole since Sauer's concussion and there aren't a lot of options out there. This guy fits the bill and it's good for both teams.

Good trade.
 
is it trolling to say that i think this move makes the rangers a better team? from the little i've seen of him, Klein is plenty tough. plus he can actually move the puck decently. and people underestimate how important balance is - rhs dmen are not all over the place... solid move and the old adage applies here: you gotta give to get.
 
Solid trade IMO. We lose 6 years but I think that's overrated. Don't discount the importance of Kleins contract either. Doesn't get much better. I think we are close now to what we had when Sauer was playing. A real dynamite top 4 with Stralman anchoring the 3rd pair. This was a smart Hockey trade.
 
I am virtually positive that a good portion of the people who are complaining took a brief look at Klein's career statistics and barfed up an opinion without having seen him play more then 4 games in the past two years, if that.

Whatever. It's fine. In 2 weeks he'll be a fan favorite and people will be thanking the lord that DZ isn't back there instead. Age is being overblown here. Klein turned 29 last month and is signed for ridiculously cheap for four more years. Not long enough to be a headache if he ever starts to slow down, and not expensive enough either, and an absolute bargain compared to what he could get on market today. The question of offense from the back end is fine, but it can be addressed in a later move, either at the deadline or over the summer. It doesn't make this a bad trade just because DZ was an "offensive" dman (that statement is a lot more true if you read it differently) and age isn't nearly as significant when Klein is cost controlled, at less than DZ will get, for the next four years.
 
FLNYR said:
So who will be the last guy off the ice after each home game?
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Who will give Boyle a high five?

However, I must say that DZ always struck me as a team-first guy. Never complained about his icetime. Seemed like his teammates liked him. I'll miss him, even if I crapped on him.
 
SERE 24 said:
I am virtually positive that a good portion of the people who are complaining took a brief look at Klein's career statistics and barfed up an opinion without having seen him play more then 4 games in the past two years, if that.

Whatever. It's fine. In 2 weeks he'll be a fan favorite and people will be thanking the lord that DZ isn't back there instead. Age is being overblown here. Klein turned 29 last month and is signed for ridiculously cheap for four more years. Not long enough to be a headache if he ever starts to slow down, and not expensive enough either, and an absolute bargain compared to what he could get on market today. The question of offense from the back end is fine, but it can be addressed in a later move, either at the deadline or over the summer. It doesn't make this a bad trade just because DZ was an "offensive" dman (that statement is a lot more true if you read it differently) and age isn't nearly as significant when Klein is cost controlled, at less than DZ will get, for the next four years.
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Yup ^

People should have a look at the Nashville MDZ trade thread. They aren't like "OMG, we got MDZ, what a STEAL" they're more upset than they are happy. That should tell you something.
 
haohmaru said:
Klein is Sauer-esque. Responsible defensively, good 3/4 guy...

MDZ **** the bed while killing his trade value.
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I find those two statements combined kinda funny. Even if DZ takes a step forward, I think we're pretty well established that he's not going to be a first pair defenseman. He will max out as a solid #3, which there isn't anything wrong with. He's not that yet and might never be. If he's a 2nd pair guy and you think Klein is a 2nd pair guy, how badly did he really kill his trade value? Answer: he didn't. His trade value was as the exact defenseman he is.
 
I probably won't say anything different from what's already been said, but my take:

I was one of the few that still held out hope that Del Zotto would round back into form and gain some confidence back. He's no where near fully developed yet. I wish him luck though. Nashville may win this trade 3 or 4 years from now, but the Rangers win it right now.

The acquisition of Klein opens the doors for a lot of possibilities. This means having a great shut down defenseman on every single defensive pair, assuming Staal and Stralman stay together. This also gives the Rangers a bit of leverage in the Girardi and Stralman contract negotiations. If we lose one of them, we still have Girardi or Stralman, and McIlrath just about ready to step in. If I'm a betting man, I would say this spells the end of either Girardi or Stralman's time as a Ranger. They still need one more defenseman that's a good puck mover that can put up points.

Klein is far from a bottom pairing guy. He's a very solid #3 or #4. Not very offensive, but very good positionally and very physical. This was a good hockey trade.
 
Kik is a good move because of all that's been mentioned and it also adds leverage in the girardi negotiations. .He's a rhd and he's locked up to a cap friendly deal.

Girardi can now be shopped and slats has his replacement already signed.

Girardi should fetch a 1st and a roster player.

Good solid move here all around.
 
Tawnos said:
I find those two statements combined kinda funny. Even if DZ takes a step forward, I think we're pretty well established that he's not going to be a first pair defenseman. He will max out as a solid #3, which there isn't anything wrong with. He's not that yet and might never be. If he's a 2nd pair guy and you think Klein is a 2nd pair guy, how badly did he really kill his trade value? Answer: he didn't. His trade value was as the exact defenseman he is.
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Like I said, I think it's a fair deal for both teams.

However, his value last summer, more than probably was a lot higher. This season he's been a #6/7 and a healthy scratch in quite a few games. That's a pretty big step down from '11-12 when he was a 3/4 and PP guy. He hasn't lived up to expectations and, quite honestly, if the change of scenery doesn't elevate his game then he really isn't a solid #3. Not now. Not the way he's playing. You can project him to be that again, but right now he isn't.

Del Zotto of '11-12 would've fetched quite a bit more than Kevin Klein. MDZ over the summer would've gotten more than KK. MDZ, the #6/7 with "potential" is what fetched a 3/4. He did hurt his trade value with the way he's played.
 
And, FWIW, if Nashville can't develop MDZ into something better than what he currently is then no one can. I can't think of a better place for developing a D. I wish MDZ the best.
 
haohmaru said:
And, FWIW, if Nashville can't develop MDZ into something better than what he currently is then no one can. I can't think of a better place for developing a D. I wish MDZ the best.
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Yeah, he'll probably be with Jones or Weber. Better partners than Moore and Stralman.
 
haohmaru said:
Like I said, I think it's a fair deal for both teams.
However, his value last summer, more than probably was a lot higher. This season he's been a #6/7 and a healthy scratch in quite a few games. That's a pretty big step down from '11-12 when he was a 3/4 and PP guy. He hasn't lived up to expectations and, quite honestly, if the change of scenery doesn't elevate his game then he really isn't a solid #3. Not now. Not the way he's playing. You can project him to be that again, but right now he isn't.
Del Zotto of '11-12 would've fetched quite a bit more than Kevin Klein. MDZ over the summer would've gotten more than KK. MDZ, the #6/7 with "potential" is what fetched a 3/4. He did hurt his trade value with the way he's played.
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Well, Del Zotto of 11-12 was 2 years younger. You'd still be trading a lot more potential than you are today. His play didn't "kill his trade value" when you compare it to two years ago. The progression of time did. And not even by much. Two years ago, MDZ for a more established 2nd pair defenseman and a 2nd round pick would've been a good deal. Today, we just get the defenseman.
 
Don't know if anyone's pointed this out but 10 years ago Klein played on the Guelph Storm with both Cally and Girardi. It's a bit of a reach but maybe they're still close? They were 3 of the best players on the 2003-04 Storm that made a deep run and played in the Memorial Cup.
 
Alien Valuating said:
Don't know if anyone's pointed this out but 10 years ago Klein played on the Guelph Storm with both Cally and Girardi. It's a bit of a reach but maybe they're still close? They were 3 of the best players on the 2003-04 Storm that made a deep run and played in the Memorial Cup.
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Someone pointed it out earlier in the thread, but at least there's a familiarity there. It's worth noting that Klein joined that team nearly halfway through the year and they only played together that one season. Might not have established much of a friendship.
 
Alien Valuating said:
Don't know if anyone's pointed this out but 10 years ago Klein played on the Guelph Storm with both Cally and Girardi. It's a bit of a reach but maybe they're still close? They were 3 of the best players on the 2003-04 Storm that made a deep run and played in the Memorial Cup.
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Yeah, he mentioned that on an interview today (Power Play - Sirius/XM). Said he doesn't look for fights but doesn't shy away from them. He's arriving tonight at 9:30 and will be at the team meetings in the morning and expects to play tomorrow night. Said he's excited to be on a team that's currently in the playoff picture.
 
I Eat Crow said:
This also gives the Rangers a bit of leverage in the Girardi and Stralman contract negotiations. If we lose one of them, we still have Girardi or Stralman, and McIlrath just about ready to step in. If I'm a betting man, I would say this spells the end of either Girardi or Stralman's time as a Ranger.
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I would put the bolded at damn near 100%. No doubt I'm sure they would like to keep Girardi but if he is asking for too much, they now have some semblance of a replacement. Even if Girardi to Klein is a step back, they would be way better off than with Stralman and ???.
 
haohmaru said:
And, FWIW, if Nashville can't develop MDZ into something better than what he currently is then no one can. I can't think of a better place for developing a D. I wish MDZ the best.
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hey hey hey HEY now. Nashville did a great job with Jessiman. oh. wait... :cry:
 
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