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Dreger: NYR interested in Rickard Rakell, JT Miller & Ben Chiarot

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GAGLine said:
If the only way to get Chiarot is with a 1st round pick, then he isn't going to the Rangers. It makes no sense to spend a 1st on a 3rd pair dman. Whether you think he is better than 3rd pair is irrelevant. That's where he would play on the Rangers.
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Don't view it as a trade for a 3rd pairing defenseman then, you're getting a playoff performer...not statistically, but his latest cup run showcase is what you'll get in front of Shesterkin and I'm sure he'll welcome that. I have no doubt he'll also get more than 3rd pairing minutes as a result.
 
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Seems like a player such as Kulak would be what the Rangers are looking for. He could be obtained for around a 4th round pick.
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I think that's closer. An upgrade over Nemeth is probably a nice to have, not a need. Schneider has been very solid since he came up. So they might be looking for a Nemeth upgrade or emergency 7th d.
 
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bsu said:
That's an interesting amount of games you chose... did you watch the Ducks last season?
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If you want to talk about his production just this year, it's not much better. 26 points in 46 games. His goal totals are better, but overall he's not producing more than he did last year.
 

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Nico Cauzuki said:
Savard did last year and Chiarot is better.....

100% Ben gets a 1st unless Gordon wants a prospect back
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You can't compare rental markets year over year. He may get a 1st but it will be from a team that will slot him in for big minutes on a top pair. He will not be that guy for Rangers.
 
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ottawa said:
Don't view it as a trade for a 3rd pairing defenseman then, you're getting a playoff performer...not statistically, but his latest cup run showcase is what you'll get in front of Shesterkin and I'm sure he'll welcome that. I have no doubt he'll also get more than 3rd pairing minutes as a result.
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His playoff performance was playing alongside Weber. He also takes a lot of penalties, and even more so in the playoffs.

Any dman we add will be playing on the 3rd pair with Schneider, and possibly PK time. Fox and Lindgren have been paired together since Lindgren came up, and Trouba and Miller have been paired together since early last year. I don't see either pair getting broken up, and I don't see Schneider, no matter who he is paired with, getting more time than the other 4 (barring injury), given that he's a rookie who has played all of 17 games so far.

You're trying to upsell us when all we need is a 3rd pair guy who can eat some minutes and play on the PK.
 
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GAGLine said:
Too much for a pending UFA who has 54 points in his last 98 games. You aren't getting 3 pieces for him. It will be a 1st or a 2nd and a B prospect (someone worse than Berard).
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Yeah I could see that being a bit steep, really liked Berard in his draft year and he's looking like a potential steal.

A late 1st or two 2nds is probably right about right. There has been some talk on the Ducks board about Kravstov.
 
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Tender Rip said:
Whatever both of us don’t despair at losing.

Say: USD 500 say Chiarot does not return a 1st by himself.
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I don't think NYR should trade a 1st for him, but this is a cop-out. You're banking on some minor league or adjusted mid-late pick involved in the trade so you can say "See... He didn't get a 1st by himself!"
 
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ottawa said:
Don't view it as a trade for a 3rd pairing defenseman then, you're getting a playoff performer...not statistically, but his latest cup run showcase is what you'll get in front of Shesterkin and I'm sure he'll welcome that. I have no doubt he'll also get more than 3rd pairing minutes as a result.
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The 1st round pick is a valuable asset. If they plan to use it as currency then they have much bigger needs at forward. They have gaping holes at RW and C. Using a 1st on Chariot doesn’t solve that issue.
 
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Svencouver said:
Chiarot will take a 1st, and Miller will take Schneider. Theres no deal to be made otherwise.
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heusy_79 said:
Rakell

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Brett Berard + 2022 Conditional 2nd (becomes 1st if Rangers make ECF) + 2023 Conditional 7th (becomes 2nd if Rangers do not make 2022 ECF)

ie Berard + pick 29-32 + 2023 7th
or Berard + 2022 2nd + 2023 2nd
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1st plus Berard seems like an over payment, especially because if they make the ECF, it's most likely not because Rakell was the driving force. 2 2nds and Berard is also an overpayment.

If you want 2 2nds, I can't see the prospect with it being Berard.
 
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Sheesh Rangers fans want to give up nothing of value whatsoever. You have to give to get folks, you aren’t getting top 15 forwards or top 4 defencemen for 3rd round picks and busting prospects lol.
 
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TGWL said:
1st plus Berard seems like an over payment, especially because if they make the ECF, it's most likely not because Rakell was the driving force. 2 2nds and Berard is also an overpayment.
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The idea behind the condition was less about Rakell being the driving force to make the ECF, but more about NYR not having to give up their 1st unless it lands 29-32 from having made it that far. Sort of some extra protection from their end rather than giving up a 1st outright, the Ducks had a similar structure to the trade back when they acquired Patrick Eaves as a rental.

I could understand teams balking at giving up a 1st for Rakell as a rental without assurance that the pick would be a very late 1st.
 
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heusy_79 said:
The idea behind the condition was less about Rakell being the driving force to make the ECF, but more about NYR not having to give up their 1st unless it lands 29-32 from having made it that far. Sort of some extra protection from their end rather than giving up a 1st outright, the Ducks had a similar structure to the trade back when they acquired Patrick Eaves as a rental.
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I don't think Rangers are too worried about parting with their first this draft. I think adding Berard to it is a bit much. Rangers have prospects who are years away so they don't need to stack up as much on prospects right now, especially when they have prospects that have passed expectations since being drafted.
 
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5cotland said:
Laf, Schneider and Kakko are not being moved.

Plenty of assets to get a top player without moving your best young players
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Such as?? No those left over assets wont get you the big fish. Lunkvist wont land you an elite player. Unless you are giving up Lundkvist, Othman, 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick to make it worthwhile for Canucks.
 
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