Dreger: NYR interested in Rickard Rakell, JT Miller & Ben Chiarot

[CupSeeker]

I can speak from a Canucks perspective and say that I would not move Miller to the Rangers unless one of three you mentioned are involved.

If Miller had a long term deal, that position would be reasonable. Considering there is only one year of control left, the Rangers cannot make any of those guys available for Miller.

 

[CupInSIX]

They have no chance of resigning him.
He is going to want Zibby money.

They'd have another year to figure it out. Wasting the prime years of Fox & Panarin is maddening to an outsider. Plus their goalie is entering his prime...

 

[Voodoo Child]

You have to set the price high, but at the same time this happens every year.

The top 2-4 players available are ‘your 1st, your best prospect, a promising young player and additional assets.’

Just last year, Taylor Hall got a 2nd and a a 4th liner- he needed a new deal but still.

Mantha, who while not as good overall as Miller has ‘size’ and is a slightly better goal scorer, got the first two picks from Washington in 2022, the quite meh Richard Panik and the intriguing but injury prone Jakub Vrana.

The year before, which in this case means the 2019 deadline, Mark Stone (who’s much better than JT but also needed a deal) got high risk-high upside Brannstrom, a 2nd and a now-30 year old third line center.

Here we find the best comparable to Miller in Matt Duchene, who again needed a new deal but at the time of the trade was younger than Miller is now and with a longer period of top production.

A talented but unhappy player, he got Vitaly Abramov and Jonathan Davidsson (who and who?) and a conditional pick used to take Lassi Thompson.

Never minding the hard cap and the implication - we’ve got an elite second line center on a good deal, teams will do what we want, because of the implication…

If he even gets traded, he’ll get:
A 1st
Another pick
Money
A B-level prospect
A decent but not amazing young player.

For NYR this looks like:
2022 1st
2023 4th
Lindgren
Kravtsov
Chytil

Or something like that. They’d be insane to trade Laf or Miller.

 

[CupSeeker]

Neither Schneider or K'andre Miller are even true A prospects, maybe A-. They're fine, but don't really move the pulse for me. Also regardless of what Rangers fans on HF boards thinks, certainly sounds like your management is continuing to pursue JT, so maybe you're the ones who are out of touch with reality. They might even think they ARE cup contenders.

Really? Who do you consider A prospects on defense?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

They'd have another year to figure it out. Wasting the prime years of Fox & Panarin is maddening to an outsider. Plus their goalie is entering his prime...

Fox just turned 24....

 

[Daves a mess]

Scheifele for a Schneider package is definitely a good move for both teams… unfortunately, based on recent reports, Chevy is unlikely to move Scheifele.

And the Rangers are just as unlikely to move Schneider.

 

[CupSeeker]

Don't blame Van one bit, will be interesting to see how this shakes out as the deadline approaches. Right now they're probably not willing to pay that, but if a divisional rival looks like they're pushing for Miller, that might light a real fire under Drury's ass.

Miller is sitting 10th in league scoring, you don't give away a guy like that for Kravtsov and 1st like rangers fans have been pushing.

You might if you are convinced he wants to leave town and you are not a contender now. But, agree the value isn't there in a vacuum.

 

[CupSeeker]

I think that Lundkvist to the Ducks sounds pretty good.

He is puck moving but his calling card is steady in his own zone. People often misjudge where Nils' strengths are. He is getting acclimated to the smaller rink and playing very well in the A; he played pretty well for the Rangers before the team decided to take a look at Schneider and Jones.

 

[Hierso]

You have to set the price high, but at the same time this happens every year.

The top 2-4 players available are ‘your 1st, your best prospect, a promising young player and additional assets.’

Just last year, Taylor Hall got a 2nd and a a 4th liner- he needed a new deal but still.

Mantha, who while not as good overall as Miller has ‘size’ and is a slightly better goal scorer, got the first two picks from Washington in 2022, the quite meh Richard Panik and the intriguing but injury prone Jakub Vrana.

The year before, which in this case means the 2019 deadline, Mark Stone (who’s much better than JT but also needed a deal) got high risk-high upside Brannstrom, a 2nd and a now-30 year old third line center.

Here we find the best comparable to Miller in Matt Duchene, who again needed a new deal but at the time of the trade was younger than Miller is now and with a longer period of top production.

A talented but unhappy player, he got Vitaly Abramov and Jonathan Davidsson (who and who?) and a conditional pick used to take Lassi Thompson.

Never minding the hard cap and the implication - we’ve got an elite second line center on a good deal, teams will do what we want, because of the implication…

If he even gets traded, he’ll get:
A 1st
Another pick
Money
A B-level prospect
A decent but not amazing young player.

For NYR this looks like:
2022 1st
2023 4th
Lindgren
Kravtsov
Chytil

Or something like that. They’d be insane to trade Laf or Miller.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

The Rangers should not be trading a 1st round pick for a rental.

im not saying you guys should or will im saying some team will

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

You can't compare rental markets year over year. He may get a 1st but it will be from a team that will slot him in for big minutes on a top pair. He will not be that guy for Rangers.

we see it every year...

 

[Trxjw]

Vancouver reporters claiming that the Nucks want Miller, Schneider, or (laughably) Lafreniere for Miller isn't any different than Larry Brooks claiming that the Rangers wanted Point or Sergachev in negotiations with Tampa for McDonagh. Outlandish claims written to drive up engagement. None of those guys are on the table for Miller.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Really? Who do you consider A prospects on defense?

I mean the true A prospects would be guys like Byram, Power, Hughes, Seider, Sanderson, Drysdale. JT Miller can't even dream of fetching anybody in that bracket even 1 for 1.

 

[Trxjw]

They'd have another year to figure it out. Wasting the prime years of Fox & Panarin is maddening to an outsider. Plus their goalie is entering his prime...

How exactly are the Rangers wasting the prime years of Panarin by being 7th overall in points and two years ahead of their rebuild timeline? Let alone Fox who is only 24?

 

[rangersfansince08]

How exactly are the Rangers wasting the prime years of Panarin by being 7th overall in points and two years ahead of their rebuild timeline? Let alone Fox who is only 24?

Plus Panarin knew we were rebuilding when we signed him. He chose to be here.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Really? Who do you consider A prospects on defense?

Power, Hughes, Sanderson, Drysdale, Clarke are all A rated D prospects. Those are just players that aren't in the NHL. If you want to call someone like Miller a prospect, there's probably another 5-10 that are more highly rated.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Power, Hughes, Sanderson, Drysdale, Clarke are all A rated D prospects. Those are just players that aren't in the NHL. If you want to call someone like Miller a prospect, there's probably another 5-10 that are more highly rated.

Eichel couldn't get Drysdale so I would hope nobody thinks Miller return one of those.

 

[Smitty426]

Panarin and Mika aren’t getting younger. Kreider is having a career year. The goaltending is beyond spectacular. The Rangers should take advantage of this opportunity right now. Two playoffs with Miller right now is wise. In two years will the Rangers be this good?

This is what I think too. Next yr the money is gone I believe and Kreider can't sustain like he has (stunning its gone on this long). Igor making Ranger fans forget that other guy, I think he was Swedish!

 

[Smitty426]

Lafreniere, Schneider and Kakko aren't getting traded. All are important parts of the team going forward. I don't think either Othmann or Cuylle are available.

Available pieces are Lundkvist, Jones, Robertson, Chytil, Barron, Gauthier, 1st, NYR 2nd, St. Louis 2nd. And other lesser players, prospects and picks.

I think KK is on that list, sure the bottom of it, and pulled from Drurys hand but, on it

 

[GAGLine]

I think KK is on that list, sure the bottom of it, and pulled from Drurys hand but, on it

Yeah, I forgot him. And Kravtsov is obviously on the available list. I would put Berard on the probably not list, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was included for a player with term.

 

[Smitty426]

Yeah, I forgot him. And Kravtsov is obviously on the available list. I would put Berard on the probably not list, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was included for a player with term.

Kravstov is going to be the wild one for me. I dojnt think he can be brought back, but you don't want him to hurt you in the metro or east

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Power, Hughes, Sanderson, Drysdale, Clarke are all A rated D prospects. Those are just players that aren't in the NHL. If you want to call someone like Miller a prospect, there's probably another 5-10 that are more highly rated.

Drysdale is in the NHL, he's up to 80 games played now.

 

[UnSandvich]

6-7 D lol. You guys are the best.

Does anyone here follow hockey?

He's not better than any of Trouba, Miller, Fox, or Lindgren. And i wouldn't play him over Schneider, bc honestly if Schneider isn't already better than Chiarot, he will be in short order.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Drysdale is in the NHL, he's up to 80 games played now.

I know, that's why I posted if you consider K'Andre Miller a prospect there's a whole ton of players more highly regarded in his age group or games played, etc.

 

[TropicOfNoReturn]

If Miller had a long term deal, that position would be reasonable. Considering there is only one year of control left, the Rangers cannot make any of those guys available for Miller.

That's totally fair. I guess a deal is going to be very difficult to consummate then.