Confirmed with Link: NYR Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

[Kakko Schmakko]

Edge brought you said evidence, you are just choosing to ignore it. Just like I'm going to ignore you.

would you be so kind to provide a link to Edge's post with evidence?

 

[CLW]

I have wanted Gorton gone a long time. And I had a feeling it was just around the corner. A couple of months ago I wrote that JD had to fire Gorton or he would have to go with him. After watching sports for over 50 years you start to get the feel for some of these things. If it is hockey or soccer, does not really matter. People act the same all over the world. Owner wants results. When things start to stagnate, there will always be people in the organisations who want changes. Who whisper in the boss/owner ears. And from there it usually moves fast forward if the results dont improve in a short span.

Yes, but the court whisperers usually make the whole situation stink and fester for years. Every up cycle is the same, some smart and patient person comes in, finds real talent, builds an actual team, starts to get results, wins. Then the vultures start circling and do their work from the shadows. The problem for most organizations is that after success the vultures tend to linger and feed on the carcass of the past preventing a new cycle of success out of personal profit motives, or simply outright incompetence and lack of smart and patient people.

 

[kovazub94]

Most GMs delegate their assistant to conduct trade talks to some extent. Either get it started, or full on negotiate if the GM doesn't have a rapport with the other side. I'm sure Drury has experience negotiating.

The question is going to be vision and pressure. The noise in the Post about the window not lining up with Kreider, Panarin and Trouba. That's concerning. And maybe Gorton should answer for it because it didn't make sense to a lot of people. Or maybe Gorton was forced into retaining/adding vets when all along he had a 5 year build based around prospects.

A few others summed up my feelings. There is nothing concrete to tell me disaster struck yesterday. I see warning signs for sure, but this could just as easily be a net positive. I'll know this summer if they make moves like the 90s Rangers.

The Rangers window was about to fully open up starting next season and the Rangers would have all these guys for at least 5 more years. How's this not lining up?

 

[Daves a mess]

2 things
Waaaay back when the Rangers were looking for a new GM and Neil Smith was on the outs, the Dolans asked JD ( then a member of the MSG TV crew) who he would recommend as the next Ranger GM.
JD said Slats.
Favor returned some 20 years later.

Second. How long until we see JD and Gorts in Buffalo?

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Can't find anything online so far.

 

[ETTER DE]

One poster, or even 1% of posters, does not equal "most of the people" here. People aren't being wishy washy. A few perhaps, but most of the people aren't complaining about the firings after calling for Gorton's head this year. That's not accurate.

?

 

[OthmannOut]

would you be so kind to provide a link to Edge's post with evidence?

Have you ever heard of the expression "where there's smoke, there's fire?"

 

[DialUp]

LYING ALREADY!

 

[Larrybiv]

Wow. Is it possible DeAngelo makes a return then?

Hope so and why not? For Gorton, I guess it comes full circle.
If they hadn't forced Tony out, they would have made PO's (I'm sure of it) and they wouldn't be able to use "underperforming" as an excuse. Yeah, right. The timing of it all. The timing.

Kudos to them both, if they didn't wanna kiss ass and make that statement though. Integrity, even though I thunk Gorton is a snake. Clever, but a snake nonetheless.

Love the Calgary man. Sorry J.D. You didnt deserve this fate.

 

[DialUp]

AKA we have Howden and Hajek, so there's more than enough room to trade Kakko and Vitali for Eichel, Malkin, and to lure Ilya Kovalchuk.

This has not been a serious post.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Is there a link to the press conference?

 

[cheech70]

 

[Daves a mess]

Oh and Colin Stephenson lol. He asked a question to Brendan Smith regarding how the hockey public deems the Rangers as "too soft".
Smitty came back with "Do YOU think we are too soft?" Colin took a second and said "No".

I do think he wanted to say yes but thought the better of it. Sheer speculating on my part of course.
Smitty said "Ok Then" and interview ends.

 

[cheech70]

c ya

 

[DialUp]

Drastic, but not TOO drastic, ya know? I mean, yesterday was drastic, but was it "too". I don't know, you tell me. Chili oil.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

LYING ALREADY!

at least we have a quote to call him out on if he makes some drastic moves.

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

The good Jeff Gorton did, just didn't outweigh the bad.
The good:
Started a rebuild, before it was too late.
Had draft success: Filip Chytil, Nils Lundqvist, K'Andre Miller (Kakko, Laffy and Kravtsov went where they should go - not giving him credit for that)
Nash trade.
Mika Zibanejad trade.

The bad:
Chris Kreider contract (Last years draft was incredible.. instead of acquiring a Foerster, a Greig, Mavrik Bourque, etc. we gave out a contract to a big guy that plays a perimeter game)
Sign and trade for Trouba. (He has grown on me this year... but if they did not think we were ready to compete... why sign him? for the last couple years of his contract?)
Hiring and keeping of David Quinn (He has been absolutely awful)
Not acquiring more picks... (Great GM's have taken on bad contracts to acquire top picks. Leafs gave up a first for 1 year of Marleau. How did we only inquire three additional firsts, with all that talent we had)
Buying out of Henrik Lundqvist (He was clearly done. That being said, what is the reason for taking that salary off our books? To do what with it? Give it to Georgiev? If we arent ready to compete, then why buy him out?)
Not trading Georgiev last year. (Shesty is the goalie of the future. What are they holding on to this guy for? Waiting till his value plummets and we can't even get a 7th for him?)
Not having a single tough guy in the lineup. We allow Martin to run Trouba, Wilson to run Panarin. Embarassing. Need to protect your kids and your all stars.
Handling of Tony DeAngelo. (Entire thing was a joke - if he had that many issues, why sign him?)

Next man up! Hopefully, we can say that about quinn in a couple days!

 

[bl02]

Is there a link to the press conference?

Looked everywhere even on their site. Nothing.

 

[DialUp]

at least we have a quote to call him out on if he makes some drastic moves.

Be careful, he said *too* drastic!

 

[cheech70]

Company man to the end...cash = loyalty

 

[romba]

c ya

Yup, they sure have no problem talking publicly when it's a vote of confidence....

 

[nyr2k2]

The Rangers window was about to fully open up starting next season and the Rangers would have all these guys for at least 5 more years. How's this not lining up?

I think the concern is that guys like Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin, Trouba, and Strome, who all make big money or will need to be locked down with big money, are in that 28-31 range where you start to get nervous about their play declining. It feels like, with those five at their ages, you maybe have 2-3 years of their primes left; and the guys like Kakko, Lafreniere, and Kravtsov are maybe still a year or two away from their primes. It's almost like you have the young core and the veteran core, and there's some concern about whether they'll all be performing at a high level at the same time.

I know many people have been saying it for a year or two around here, but it never really struck me as a potential problem until about midway through this season. Of course, if those young guys take a big step next year, all is well, at least for a couple season. But if they continue their deliberate development paths, we could run into a situation where when they are truly ready for prime time, the veteran core is in real decline.

 

[bl02]

The good Jeff Gorton did, just didn't outweigh the bad.
The good:
Started a rebuild, before it was too late.
Had draft success: Filip Chytil, Nils Lundqvist, K'Andre Miller (Kakko, Laffy and Kravtsov went where they should go - not giving him credit for that)
Nash trade.
Mika Zibanejad trade.

The bad:
Chris Kreider contract (Last years draft was incredible.. instead of acquiring a Foerster, a Greig, Mavrik Bourque, etc. we gave out a contract to a big guy that plays a perimeter game)
Sign and trade for Trouba. (He has grown on me this year... but if they did not think we were ready to compete... why sign him? for the last couple years of his contract?)
Hiring and keeping of David Quinn (He has been absolutely awful)
Not acquiring more picks... (Great GM's have taken on bad contracts to acquire top picks. Leafs gave up a first for 1 year of Marleau. How did we only inquire three additional firsts, with all that talent we had)
Buying out of Henrik Lundqvist (He was clearly done. That being said, what is the reason for taking that salary off our books? To do what with it? Give it to Georgiev? If we arent ready to compete, then why buy him out?)
Not trading Georgiev last year. (Shesty is the goalie of the future. What are they holding on to this guy for? Waiting till his value plummets and we can't even get a 7th for him?)
Not having a single tough guy in the lineup. We allow Martin to run Trouba, Wilson to run Panarin. Embarassing. Need to protect your kids and your all stars.
Handling of Tony DeAngelo. (Entire thing was a joke - if he had that many issues, why sign him?)

Next man up! Hopefully, we can say that about quinn in a couple days!

I think Georgie's value at the time was nothing more than a mid to late rounder. Never had any value like some fans thought he had.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Oh and Colin Stephenson lol. He asked a question to Brendan Smith regarding how the hockey public deems the Rangers as "too soft".
Smitty came back with "Do YOU think we are too soft?" Colin took a second and said "No".

I do think he wanted to say yes but thought the better of it. Sheer speculating on my part of course.
Smitty said "Ok Then" and interview ends.

Smitty was ready to pop off "I didn't see you square off against Wilson"

 

[JCProdigy]

'm more worried about things from a "hey, they may take the Eichel leap" than I am the "OMGZ EVERYONE IS GOING TO GET TRADED FOR LUCIC/KOPITAR/TOWES/KARLSSON" angle.

But does it really matter if it's the former or the latter because they probably lead to the same place. If Eichel comes and proves not to be the answer, what do you think happens next? Usually doubling down to fix your mistake. You've already f***ed up. Either way, no Stanley Cup will result from this build. You only have one shot at using your bullets (trade capital) and you can't fire the wrong shot. When he was paying more attention in the past, Dolan has praised the wrong shots.

Dolan back in 2002 via the NYPost: Dolan added that the Rangers are in better shape now than when Sather took over as general manager in 2000 and praised the moves made to get Pavel Bure and Tom Poti at the trade deadline, and, before that, Eric Lindros during the offseason.

We'll see I guess but I can't be blamed for being pessimistic. Also, maybe I'm wired differently, but from a human aspect I'm super bummed that two good men lost their jobs in embarrassingly abrupt fashion. Especially, I feel for JD who BLEEDS Ranger blue, who was practically crying on air when the Rangers won the cup in 94, and at his press conference when he got this job. He cares more about the Rangers than Dolan ever will.