Confirmed with Link: NYR Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

[Siddi]

Plus flawed player is cheaper and declining player brings back more in trade.

How is he declining? His production is increasing each year?

 

[Siddi]

I'd take a prime Zibanejad into battle with me.

I don't know if that's what I'm getting at this point though.

It's more than just his production.

He has Ron Dayne Syndrome written all over his face.

For those of you who don't know, Ron Dayne was a very successful running back for the Giants way back in the day. He was 250 pounds and wasn't much for finesse. He just ran where he wanted to run and if you got in his way, God help you. Then he got hurt. After that, he just couldn't run into guys the way he always did.

It's not about being soft or unwilling. It's subconscious; instinctual. You reach a point where you start protecting yourself and a certain edge to your game is just gone. In certain types of matchups, Zibanejad can still produce. In other types of matchups, he's just not going to go that one extra inch because his body can't.

Maybe cut him some slack after having Covid in a weird season?

 

[Siddi]

Can you name a team that won or even made it to the cup while having their top center be a liability in terms of play-driving? That's the direction Zibanejad has been trending. Throw in the injury concerns and it's not as simple as looking at raw point totals.

Maybe not jump to rash conclusions after a shortened season where said player suffered fromCovid?

 

[Siddi]

It's extremely difficult to use this season to accurately compare with last season because just by the nature of the schedule filled with baseball-style 2- to 4-game sets against the divisional opponents over and over, and then the disruptions related to the covid protocol, and Panarin's international intrigue. The team beat up on the weaker half of the division and couldn't keep up with the top half of it.

And yet, we doing exactly that in regards to Mika. Last season he was a beast in all aspects of the play but after a weird season where he suffered from Covid and still produces some are ready to cut bait. I dont jive with that.

Edit: Also, can you guys wake up so I dont have to have this conversation with myself

 

[MysticLeviathan]

What does this even mean?

Look I get it. His next contract needs to be taken into account and all that but we are kicking a player for his play during a weird ass season despite him producing?!

he beats up on mediocre teams but fails to show up when it counts. I don’t care if he racks up points against a terrible team. I do care that he’s completely invisible against a playoff caliber team. It’s one thing to not make it on the scoresheet, it’s another to be completely invisible, and too often and in too important of a situation, he doesn’t answer the bell.

 

[Siddi]

he beats up on mediocre teams but fails to show up when it counts. I don’t care if he racks up points against a terrible team. I do care that he’s completely invisible against a playoff caliber team. It’s one thing to not make it on the scoresheet, it’s another to be completely invisible, and too often and in too important of a situation, he doesn’t answer the bell.

What about last season? He was dominant no matter who the opposition was. My point is that we shouldnt rush to judgement on him based on this season.

 

[SA16]

he beats up on mediocre teams but fails to show up when it counts. I don’t care if he racks up points against a terrible team. I do care that he’s completely invisible against a playoff caliber team. It’s one thing to not make it on the scoresheet, it’s another to be completely invisible, and too often and in too important of a situation, he doesn’t answer the bell.

I do. You need to win those games too. In any case the three teams he had the most points against last year all were playoff teams.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Having the players and Quinn sit up there answering questions about the firings because you just issued a half assed statement pregame and no one was available is peak Dolan. Chickenshit as usual.

 

[Synergy27]

I mean, if this all goes down like a lot people fear it will (Drury puppet carries out the Dolan toffness/win now mandate), it’ll be an interesting test for people who say “I’ll stop watching this team if...”

I’m mostly just here for entertainment at this point, but if we start shipping these kids outs for “established” players I’m probably going to take my business elsewhere.

 

[Jabroni]

Have to ask the obvious question but if you’re the President of a hockey club, who would have the authority to fire you, the owner of the club?

The whole thing is out of left field, not sure I really understand this move.

 

[Siddi]

I do. You need to win those games too. In any case the three teams he had the most points against last year all were playoff teams.

Honestly, I dont get it. Years and years of moaning and groaning that we need a 1c we finally have one who just last season dominated the whole league and now the narrative is that we need to cut bait? After a shit show of a season where he despite suffering Covid is STILL producing?!

 

[Siddi]

Have to ask the obvious question but if you’re the President of a hockey club, who would have the authority to fire you, the owner of the club?

The whole thing is out of left field, not sure I really understand this move.

Usually the board or in this case, yes the owner.

 

[DialUp]

but WHEN we start shipping these kids outs for “established” players I’m probably going to take my business elsewhere.

Fixed

 

[Machinehead]

Maybe cut him some slack after having Covid in a weird season?

We might not have the luxury of cutting him slack with his contract coming up.

We sign him and he performs -- great.

We move on and he doesn't perform -- right decision.

We move on and he performs elsewhere -- sucks but you live with it.

We sign him and this is him from now on -- we absolutely cannot have this outcome. It would be franchise-altering. I'm willing to avoid it at all costs.

 

[Vitto79]

I mean, if this all goes down like a lot people fear it will (Drury puppet carries out the Dolan toffness/win now mandate), it’ll be an interesting test for people who say “I’ll stop watching this team if...”

I’m mostly just here for entertainment at this point, but if we start shipping these kids outs for “established” players I’m probably going to take my business elsewhere.

They have a stacked group of kids so it’s going to happen on 1 big trade to get a guy to put them over the top

in the end they will still have tons of youth

 

[DialUp]

They have a stacked group of kids so it’s going to happen on 1 big trade to get a guy to put them over the top

in the end they will still have tons of youth

Yeah but you trade assets to go OVER the top when you are AT THE TOP. They aren't even close to being a contender yet, not close. If Dolan knows one thing, it's that JD/JG would have been OK with them not making the playoffs in 2021-2022, which would have been the most likely outcome anyway.
If Dolan wants to close that gap, the future is over. That is the point of all the articles going around: Dolan wore thin with the future and wants to win NOW. We all know what that means. Stop building a team under contractual control in their prime and start getting veterans so we can win a round TOPS for the next 3-4 years. Fck me.

 

[Siddi]

We might not have the luxury of cutting him slack with his contract coming up.

We sign him and he performs -- great.

We move on and he doesn't perform -- right decision.

We move on and he performs elsewhere -- sucks but you live with it.

We sign him and this is him from now on -- we absolutely cannot have this outcome. It would be franchise-altering. I'm willing to avoid it at all costs.

I hear you and the contract issue is a valid point but I dont see the solution in getting rid of him and then trading our young bucks for someone like Eichel who in my opinion is not an improvement over Mika.

 

[Machinehead]

I hear you and the contract issue is a valid point but I dont see the solution in getting rid of him and then trading our young bucks for someone like Eichel who in my opinion is not an improvement over Mika.

I wouldn't do that.

 

[Vitto79]

Yeah but you trade assets to go OVER the top when you are AT THE TOP. They aren't even close to being a contender yet, not close. If Dolan knows one thing, it's that JD/JG would have been OK with them not making the playoffs in 2021-2022, which would have been the most likely outcome anyway.
If Dolan wants to close that gap, the future is over. That is the point of all the articles going around: Dolan wore thin with the future and wants to win NOW. We all know what that means. Stop building a team under contractual control in their prime and start getting veterans so we can win a round TOPS for the next 3-4 years. Fck me.

they are relatively close IMO. Some of the kids could explode into another level

Kreider , Zib, Panarin are win now guys

I agree if they make a stupid move it’s gonna hurt but let’s not assume Drury is an idiot. He was sought after around the league for a reason

 

[DialUp]

they are relatively close IMO. Some of the kids could explode into another level

Kreider , Zib, Panarin are win now guys

I agree if they make a stupid move it’s gonna hurt but let’s not assume Drury is an idiot. He was sought after around the league for a reason

Nah, I wouldn't assume Drury is an idiot, I am concerned he is forced to be a stooge. And if anything we were relatively close to sneaking into the playfoffs as the last seed. That's not close to being a contender, that's just close to not being the best of the worst. We needed another year for all our under 24's to marinate. Now they have pressure to not only gel together as a team immediately, make the playoffs or bust, but that they may get traded at any moment for a 30+ vet?

 

[pld459666]

Bruins is a physical team. Did that help Carlo?

No, but they went out, acquired Tinordi who tooled Wilson up they first game he faced the Caps

 

[Graves94]

I don't think Quinn is a very good coach, especially for this team, but maybe he's still around...for now...because he didn't agree with JD's/Gortons make up of the team he was given. Maybe he asked for more grit and was given more skill or players he didn't want?
We don't know what went down or the real reasons for these firings, which leads to speculation and people freaking out.
I'm OK with Drury in charge, as I don't see a real philosophical change from Gorton, but disappointed/sad JD was let go.
Let's all relax and see what happens in the coming weeks/months before we all lose our minds.

 

[DutchShamrock]

lol most of you wanted Gorton fired and now that he is you cry like little b!tches.

If you think most of this board was calling for Gorton's head, you don't have a finger on the pulse. People had criticisms, but you would be hard pressed to find firing posts.

This board can be bi-polar but this isn't an example.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If Drury trades Mika they have to go get someone else. Eichel, Larkin someone

Dolan (allegedly) fired Gorton and JD because he has no patience and thought the team wasn’t good enough.

You can’t trade your 1C and not replace him (or try to replace him with Strome).

There is zero chance that will fly with Dolan

 

[rangers1314]

Woke up feeling like I had been in a car accident.

Dolan being involved is just the worst possible thing that could have happened. God damnit.