Confirmed with Link: NYR Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

[mas0764]

Your honor, I'd like to present to the jury, Dolan's approach from 1997-2000 and his growing influence within the organization.

Those deals and those signings that everyone fondly remembers? Not just Smith, that's an active Dolan in that process as well.

You're right it's not the Knicks. And in some ways that helps us. Dolan doesn't understand hockey. On the other hand, that's a double-edged sword because Dolan...doesn't understand hockey.

Maybe he’s learned something in the last 15 years????

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Who the f*** cares dude

This times 1000

Man, I cannot remember EVER having this discussion about my sports teams in the Netherlands, Austria or South Africa.

 

[duhmetreE]

Not going to lie... JD getting fired stings.

I liked how they evaluated talent and what they've acquired... This season was a shitfest though.

I do not understand firing the President and GM before the coach... Hockey is different here.

 

[NYRFAN218]

I mean the scary thing is just that this could be dolan hopped up goofballs flailing around in a rage and not at all related to how well someone could normally keep him in check

Of course but nothing like this has ever happened with this team being under him for 20 or so years until now. Sather ran the show upwards of 19 of those years. For better or worse, he steered the ship and Dolan praised him and would always defer to him. Now not even 2 years into a presidency with JD and during a rebuild he signs off on, he goes and fires the top of the management chain? If this was the criteria for firing people, Sather would have been fired not even a year in.

Dolan has his favorites and his loyalty runs to those people. For basketball, for a long time it was guys like Isiah and Steve Mills. For hockey, it's Glen Sather. You can't explain why because none of it makes sense but these are the people he trusts and their leash is endless. Anyone else is fair game depending on how he wakes up that day.

 

[Number 9]

I've always wanted pat maroon. He is not a goon and I think he is funny as hell. Dude pissed all over himself with the stanley cup raised above his head and he didn't give a f*** also like Bogosian although i don't think he's popular here. Has a mean streak.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Why are people talking about us wanting toews/kopitar?

 

[Mike in Houston]

I guess the senior advisor couldn't convince the dumb owner not to be dumb.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

Why are people talking about us wanting toews/kopitar?

Nothing, its just a fear we will automatically fall back on old habits.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

thats a lil concerning

 

[Edge]

The sad thing is that Gorton acquired more young, potentially high-end talent in a shorter period of time than any Rangers GM in recent memory.

Yeah we had Lafreniere and Kakko. And if we didn't have them we would've had Zegras and Lundell. I don't get the whole, "everything beyond those two is meh."

Kravtsov is a prime talent, Lundkvist is one of the best defensive prospects in the sport. You've got Miller, Schneider, Chytil, lots of young talent.

It's sad because if this team wins, it's going to be on the foundation Gorton built. And for the second time in his career, Gorton got screwed out of seeing it.

 

[Chytilmania]

The sad thing is that Gorton acquired more young, potentially high-end talent in a shorter period of time than any Rangers GM in recent memory.

Yeah we had Lafreniere and Kakko. And if we didn't have them we would've had Zegras and Lundell. I don't get the whole, "everything beyond those two is meh."

Kravtsov is a prime talent, Lundkvist is one of the best defensive prospects in the sport. You've got Miller, Schneider, Chytil, lots of young talent.

It's sad because if this team wins, it's going to be on the foundation Gorton built. And for the second time in his career, Gorton got screwed out of seeing it.

Not to mention....last offseason hands were tied with the pandemic, expansion draft looming and flat cap, then I think we could all agree he needed this season to evaluate the team to see what young kids fit and what needed to change.
Well I think we got all of our answers, then he gets canned and can't finish his work. At least Drury has been on the inside and hopefully he makes good decisions and nothing rash.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

The sad thing is that Gorton acquired more young, potentially high-end talent in a shorter period of time than any Rangers GM in recent memory.

Yeah we had Lafreniere and Kakko. And if we didn't have them we would've had Zegras and Lundell. I don't get the whole, "everything beyond those two is meh."

Kravtsov is a prime talent, Lundkvist is one of the best defensive prospects in the sport. You've got Miller, Schneider, Chytil, lots of young talent.

It's sad because if this team wins, it's going to be on the foundation Gorton built. And for the second time in his career, Gorton got screwed out of seeing it.

so much so that he was just throwing away 60 point Dman and dumping Lemieux for garbage return.

 

[Edge]

Not to mention....last offseason hands were tied with the pandemic, expansion draft looming and flat cap, then I think we could all agree he needed this season to evaluate the team to see what young kids fit and what needed to change.
Well I think we got all of our answers, then he gets canned and can't finish his work. At least Drury has been on the inside and hopefully he makes good decisions and nothing rash.

It's interesting because I think now is when we're getting to the point where we know what we have or don't have. I always felt Quinn wouldn't be here too long into that next phase, I thought Gorton would. I think 99 percent of people did.

 

[Edge]

so much so that he was just throwing away 60 point Dman and dumping Lemieux for garbage return.

I'm not doing another ADA debate again.

When some of you wonder why I've finally lost my patience, look no further than this.

At this point you believe what you wanna believe on the defenseman.

As for Lemieux, he's not any better in Los Angeles. His value would actually be less today.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

I do agree the lack of will is a problem. It’s why I feel that Mika shouldn’t stay a Ranger. I don’t see that will and desire in him. We showed no spine in key points throughout the season. I do think it’s a culture problem from the top in JD and Gorton through to Quinn and to the lineup.

The move, while a shock, isn’t necessarily a bad one. I get what Dolan is saying and I agree with it. How many times this season could you say this team showed no f***ing spine? I can say a lot. And that’s not winning hockey. You can score a ton of goals in the regular season, but you need something more than that come playoff time.

I’m just terrified we’re going to make some really dumb moves. I’m scared we’re going to overreact to this season, specifically this past week, when it comes to the roster and make some truly dumb trades.

This team needs to do better. It’s entirely possible JD and Gorton could’ve done that over the course of the upcoming seasons. I just hate how we acted like wet noodles in key points. We just don’t have that “it” factor at all.

I’m excited but so extremely nervous. I really hope we don’t burn the organization to the ground when we have such a good foundation thus far.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Can't blame Dolan if he was tired of soft brand of hockey they were playing. I am tired of it too. Hopefully new coaching staff makes them finish checks hard.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I think the most optimistic I can possibly be about this is that Dolan simply fell in love with Drury as GM and couldn’t help himself but to replace even a very good GM in Gorton because he (Dolan) believed he had an all timer on his hands that he couldn’t let get away to Pittsburgh or Florida.

And since JD wouldn’t sign off on replacing Gorton with Drury he went too.

And now that the deed is done Dolan goes back to the shadows.

Most optimistic I can be. I think there does seem to be some smoke around this theory too.

Love the optimism, I feel like there's a dark cloud over this franchise.

Does anyone know what Drury has done to earn his reputation? Not a sarcastic question, a literal question. I don't really know anything about is duties and achievements.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I'm not doing another ADA debate again.

When some of you wonder why I've finally lost my patience, look no further than this.

At this point you believe what you wanna believe on the defenseman.

As for Lemieux, he's not any better in Los Angeles. His value would actually be less today.

I think after Wilson incident physical players have all gone up in value.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Phill Di Giuseppe seems like an anarcho capitalist to me.

Buch is definitely a Nazbol.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'm not doing another ADA debate again.

When some of you wonder why I've finally lost my patience, look no further than this.

At this point you believe what you wanna believe on the defenseman.

As for Lemieux, he's not any better in Los Angeles. His value would actually be less today.

Don't waste your time.

 

[Machinehead]

thats a lil concerning

Tbh, having read the article, I see a lot of what people here were saying.

First, that it was concerning that we looked like not an NHL team in games with high stakes.

Second, the the rebuild is shifting to where pieces have been collected and a direction is now needed that's more short-term. Yes, still long-term, but we need to start moving and know where we're moving to.

Dolan, perhaps, just didn't see that direction from the current leadership, and as Larry said, that doesn't mean taking shortcuts.

It could all go bad, but again, I'm not panicking until I see the moves we make.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Wish I could like this, hilarious.

 

[Edge]

I think after Wilson incident physical players have all gone up in value.

He's averaging less time with the Kings than he did with the Rangers. He is what he, but he isn't suddenly going to get you a better return. He's with his fourth organization for a reason.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Trouba and Kreider's contracts are absolutely going to force us to make sacrifices elsewhere, and I honestly don't see them parting with Zibanejad.

It's going to be ~22m tied up in underperforming players who, a few years down the line, aren't going to be in team's top 5 best players.

And even if they did part with Zibanejad. It's still over 14 million for a third pairing D and a third liner. Those contracts were definitely a cause for concern with Gorton.

To be fair to Gorton, both those signings happened before he knew the cap would be flat for 3 or 4 years, but even then they were probably overpayments, definitely the case for Trouba. It will be a big task for GMCD to build around those 2 deals. I really think moving on from Zibanejad is the right thing, we will see if they have the balls to do so.

 

[Esa 10]

The sad thing is that Gorton acquired more young, potentially high-end talent in a shorter period of time than any Rangers GM in recent memory.

Yeah we had Lafreniere and Kakko. And if we didn't have them we would've had Zegras and Lundell. I don't get the whole, "everything beyond those two is meh."

Kravtsov is a prime talent, Lundkvist is one of the best defensive prospects in the sport. You've got Miller, Schneider, Chytil, lots of young talent.

It's sad because if this team wins, it's going to be on the foundation Gorton built. And for the second time in his career, Gorton got screwed out of seeing it.

Could Quinn be the hill Gorton and JD largely died on?

There are examples of something similar taking place in Philly and NJ. Owners got impatient in Philly and Hextall's allegiance to a college coach who wasn't showing enough progress doomed him. I read that Shero's reluctance to can his coach when Devils were struggling was a major factor in his firing.

I guess we'll see with how Drury proceeds. I just wonder if Dolan's frustration with Quinn not getting more out of this team precipitated the blowup and things just went off the rails.