Confirmed with Link: NYR Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

[DanielBrassard]

double post

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

He's averaging less time with the Kings than he did with the Rangers. He is what he, but he isn't suddenly going to get you a better return. He's with his fourth organization for a reason.

Kings will want at least a 3rd rounder if we want him back. I don't know why he wanted a trade to be honest. Maybe that wasn't even true that he asked for a trade?

 

[Edge]

Could Quinn be the hill Gorton and JD largely died on?

There are examples of something similar taking place in Philly and NJ. Owners got impatient in Philly and Hextall's allegiance to a college coach who wasn't showing enough progress doomed him. I read that Shero's reluctance to can his coach when Devils were struggling was a major factor in his firing.

I guess we'll see with how Drury proceeds. I just wonder if Dolan's frustration with Quinn not getting more out of this team precipitated the blowup and things just went off the rails.

My gut says no.

I also think what's interesting is that while Dolan is going with the underachieved narrative (which I'm sure some fans agree with), those associated with the team and around the league strongly to feel the opposite --- that this was not a playoff team and the fact that they were even heading into the Islanders game with a chance is actually more noteworthy.

So if Dolan had that disconnect with JD and Gorton, he probably would've had him with 80 percent of the people in the league by my estimation.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Kings will want at least a 3rd rounder if we want him back. I don't know why he wanted a trade to be honest. Maybe that wasn't even true that he asked for a trade?

We don't

He wanted more ice time

Remove the tin foil hat

Stop posting

 

[Edge]

Kings will want at least a 3rd rounder if we want him back. I don't know why he wanted a trade to be honest. Maybe that wasn't even true that he asked for a trade?

He requested a trade because he wanted to be more than a fourth line player. Now he's playing even less.

He ain't being traded for a third. And he ain't being traded back.

 

[JohnC]

The sad thing is that Gorton acquired more young, potentially high-end talent in a shorter period of time than any Rangers GM in recent memory.

Yeah we had Lafreniere and Kakko. And if we didn't have them we would've had Zegras and Lundell. I don't get the whole, "everything beyond those two is meh."

Kravtsov is a prime talent, Lundkvist is one of the best defensive prospects in the sport. You've got Miller, Schneider, Chytil, lots of young talent.

It's sad because if this team wins, it's going to be on the foundation Gorton built. And for the second time in his career, Gorton got screwed out of seeing it.

If this team miraculously wins a Cup in the near future is anyone really going to credit Drury? We’d have to be looking at a pretty dramatic overhaul of the roster for it to not be Gorton’s team.

I’m rooting for Drury, but the foundation is laid, the framing is up, the electrical and the walls are in. He’s pretty much starting at the painting phase.

 

[Edge]

If this team miraculously wins a Cup in the near future is anyone really going to credit Drury? We’d have to be looking at a pretty dramatic overhaul of the roster for it to not be Gorton’s team.

I’m rooting for Drury, but the foundation is laid, the framing is up, the electrical and the walls are in. He’s pretty much starting at the painting phase.

I feel like when any sentence involving fans includes the phrase "...is anyone really going to..." the answer is almost always yes, and in greater quantity than one would expect.

 

[CLW]

Larry brought up Rick Ticchoet in his column as next coach candidate lol

The Coyotes fans would be thrilled.

 

[Machinehead]

Why would we want Lemieux back?

Buchnevich showed more pushback in back to back games than Lemeiux ever did.

I can't remember the last time Lemieux even looked at a guy funny.

Trading Lemieux wasn't a purging of toughness, it was getting rid of a player who was failing epically at that.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

thats a lil concerning

Amen. This reminds me of the history of the origins of the Philadelphia Flyers Broad Street Bullies.
In the early days their owner was so incensed by the way his team was being man handled by Montreal and other clubs that he changed the direction of the make up of his team which ended up changing the league into an arms race. It worked in the short term (two cups) and since then it hasn’t.

 

[Machinehead]

I feel like when any sentence involving fans includes the phrase "...is anyone really going to..." the answer is almost always yes, and in greater quantity than one would expect.

I am consistently surprised but also not surprised by the ability of Rangers fans to surpass their "...is anyone really going to..." expectations.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Can the new regime at least promise we won't have any more of these

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

We don't

He wanted more ice time

Remove the tin foil hat

Stop posting

"You only hate him because of his politics", says the guy who only likes him because of his politics

 

[JohnC]

Brendan Lemieux was an internet troll on ice skates.

Guy was the Tanner Glass of being Derek Dorsett.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

Tbh, having read the article, I see a lot of what people here were saying.

First, that it was concerning that we looked like not an NHL team in games with high stakes.

Second, the the rebuild is shifting to where pieces have been collected and a direction is now needed that's more short-term. Yes, still long-term, but we need to start moving and know where we're moving to.

Dolan, perhaps, just didn't see that direction from the current leadership, and as Larry said, that doesn't mean taking shortcuts.

It could all go bad, but again, I'm not panicking until I see the moves we make.

I agree with this. The move in a vacuum to replace JD and Gorton with Drury isn’t a franchise killer, but how Drury handles the next few months could be. The draft and FA could change the trajectory of the franchise for the next decade.

 

[bobbop]

This feels eerily similar to what happened to Hextall in Philly and Ron Francis in Carolina.

Both owners got impatient with long running rebuilds, brought in an old school GM and changed coaches.

Philly had a great first year with Chuck Fletcher and AV but then imploded this year.

Carolina has nothing but get better with Don Waddle and Rod Brind’Amour.

Which direction are the Rangers headed?

 

[duhmetreE]

I'll take a 3-time Stanley Cup winner at the helm... Rutherford for 'support'

 

[Machinehead]

Brendan Lemieux was an internet troll on ice skates.

Guy was the Tanner Glass of being Derek Dorsett.

This is frighteningly accurate.

 

[duhmetreE]

This feels eerily similar to what happened to Hextall in Philly and Ron Francis in Carolina.

Both owners got impatient with long running rebuilds, brought in an old school GM and changed coaches.

Philly had a great first year with Chuck Fletcher and AV but then imploded this year.

Carolina has nothing but get better with Don Waddle and Rod Brind’Amour.

Which direction are the Rangers headed?

It comes down to picking the right coach

 

[Bruner4329]

If this team miraculously wins a Cup in the near future is anyone really going to credit Drury? We’d have to be looking at a pretty dramatic overhaul of the roster for it to not be Gorton’s team.

I’m rooting for Drury, but the foundation is laid, the framing is up, the electrical and the walls are in. He’s pretty much starting at the painting phase.

No doubt this team has acquired some good young talent the last few years but to think we are close to winning a cup in the near future is a pipe dream. While this season was a setback to some extent and it was supposedly about the young core getting experience, there are some major holes that need to be fixed. Sorry we are in the construction phase still. Until we get at least a number 1 center and add some lunch pail guys to this lineup it will be more of the same. let me be blunt we aint winning with Strome and FC as 2 of our top 3 centers, we need some muscle on D and we need a couple of grinders on the wings. Other than that sure we are close to the cup.

 

[Jim Ramsay]

I was suprised to hear the news, but I have soured on Gorton this season. When the games got meaningful the Isles and Caps completely clowned this team. It was made very clear that this team isnt close to competing with the big boys.

Its been 4 years of no playoffs and they look like it will be at least a few more before they attain the players and attitude needed to play a tighter/bigger playoff version of hockey.

Also the Quinn hiring always kind of puzzled me. The guy is a good college coach thats fine, but its visible the guy doesnt know how to coach men as opposed to college kids. Quinn never proved anything, why was he put at the front of the line over other coaches with professional coaching experience?

It hurts to see JD go like this for sure

 

[MysticLeviathan]

My gut says no.

I also think what's interesting is that while Dolan is going with the underachieved narrative (which I'm sure some fans agree with), those associated with the team and around the league strongly to feel the opposite --- that this was not a playoff team and the fact that they were even heading into the Islanders game with a chance is actually more noteworthy.

So if Dolan had that disconnect with JD and Gorton, he probably would've had him with 80 percent of the people in the league by my estimation.

It’s one thing to lose to the islanders, it’s another to lose the way they did… twice in a row. And it was a common theme throughout the season. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Dolan’s concerns at all.

Maybe the leash was too short. Maybe they’d have done a bit more over the course of the next 15 months. But some of these losses were truly awful. This team showed no guts and no heart many times throughout the season. That isn’t good enough. That’s not winning hockey.

 

[Edge]

This feels eerily similar to what happened to Hextall in Philly and Ron Francis in Carolina.

Both owners got impatient with long running rebuilds, brought in an old school GM and changed coaches.

Philly had a great first year with Chuck Fletcher and AV but then imploded this year.

Carolina has nothing but get better with Don Waddle and Rod Brind’Amour.

Which direction are the Rangers headed?

With or without Gorton, this team is at a very weird point with guys like Zibanejad, Strome, and Buch.

What concerns me is a mandate that you have to instantly get better. That's always the goal. No GM ever heads into any situation aiming to get worse (be it short-term or long-term).

But I'm worried about the quest for a magic remedy. Because that's how you end up shipping someone like Kakko to Buffalo for Eichel and start gambling with the mortgage money.

 

[Bruner4329]

It comes down to picking the right coach

Yes absolutely. While I hate to see JD go this way if he and JG wanted to keep Quinn then maybe this was inevitable because Quinn is not the person for the next step.

 

[duhmetreE]

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