Confirmed with Link: NYR Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

[PuckLuck3043]

I understand the fear of a Dolan takeover. But he hasn't so much as sneezed at Knicks in awhile.

I'm willing to see how this plays out and see what our offseason moves actually are.

Dolan is a giant tool and his meddling with the knicks made them a laughingstock for the better part of 2 decades. I would just like to know the reason why JD/JG were let go. Was it because of the statement or unrelated?

 

[Rempe73]

Teams also tend to avoid players whose own teammates are getting into fights with him or find him to be toxic.

Smith. Lettieri. And that’s just the beginning. Spare me the bs. Teammates get into fights all the time. I get why maybe the Rangers didn’t want him after that fight, but NO other team wanted him simply because he says mean things sometimes?

I wasn’t aware of the DMs thing. Maybe you should have started with that instead of directly calling me stupid?

 

[Levitate]

I don’t either. I thought I was being pretty fair. HOW TF is it a stretch to say he should be given one more chance after making ONE comment that triggered Georgiev? It’s like wtf is wrong with some people?? We want to crucify someone for a couple WORDS? What about Smith and Lettieri? Come the f*** on. How am I being unreasonable?

because it wasn't one comment, it wasn't a few words, it wasn't ONE THING

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

As the night goes on I’m getting more and more pissed about this.

JD was a nice addition to the club, had a long history here and a former player and voice of the team for many years. His prior experience and temperament fit in well with what they needed in a leader and the Ranger family overall. It bothers me he was unceremoniously let go.

I think I may even be more pissed about Gorton being fired then JD. While there is no perfect GM out there (as many posters have pointed out) I was a big fan of Gorts from the start. I agreed with a majority of what he chose to do amongst several deals that panned out big time in the Rangers favor. He had a knack with his foresight and I believe he would’ve continued to build this team into a winner if he was allowed to finish what he started. I wouldn’t be surprised if he lands another job and takes off with it, because he will decide to sign on with a team he knows he can succeed with.

The one an only silver lining to all of it is I have a great deal of respect and admiration for Chris Drury. If I had to pick a successor to Gorton it would be Drury. So I’m excited to see how he would approach the job and I’m sure his intention will be to continue the plan that Gorts and JD laid out.

However, my concern lies with Dolan and his unpredictable shenanigans given his history and how all of this went down. We really won’t know if he decides that he wants to pull the strings going forward and Drury will be his new sock puppet. If we start seeing uncharacteristic, short-sighted deals going down we know that’s the case. And that would be dreadful after all of what this fan base has suffered through and now has gotten truly excited about.

Dolans press release about fans deserving more from leadership is absolute bullshit to me, covering up the fact that he didn’t get his way or was challenged on something and power-tripped his way to a new front office. It’s disturbing and paying fans deserve a sound explanation. But there won’t be one. We all know that. It all leaves me very confused and disturbed.

 

[Rempe73]

because it wasn't one comment, it wasn't a few words, it wasn't ONE THING

I have an issue with THAT being the final straw though. I actually wanted DeAngelo gone until I found out more and more about the background of the situation.

 

[Levitate]

Never said he’s Jordan lmao. Let me put it this way. There are many assholes in the NHL. DeAngelo is not a special case.

He is though or he wouldn't be in this situation

if you're an asshole and your teammates dislike you but you're hte best player in the league then you have some leeway

if you're an asshole and your teammates dislike you and you're good but not irreplaceable then maybe there's some issues brewing!

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I have no like for Dolan.

Nor do I think Sather is any good.

Or believe Drury is anything special

Yet the way this team played in the play in last year until last game was... well I just say not encouraging.

I don't put much emphasis on the play in series at all. They were a young team with a 4 month layoff and 1 preseason game before play resumed against a good Carolina team that had been swept during the regular season and had something to prove. I am scared to death that this asshole Dolan is going to screw things up.

 

[Rempe73]

if you're an asshole and your teammates dislike you and you're good but not irreplaceable then maybe there's some issues brewing!

Ok this I can respect. He should have realized that his play wasn’t great at the time. I wish he showed better judgment. At the end of the day, he’s still my favorite Ranger of all time, and that has nothing to do with his views. So seriously, can you guys cut me some slack for that? Lol

 

[NikC]

Never said he’s Jordan lmao. Let me put it this way. There are many assholes in the NHL. DeAngelo is not a special case.

save your breath... think about how stupid the NYR were to resign him for 2 yrs, only blackball him in the NHL, effectively destroying his trade value.

Great asset management for the STephan trade and 1st round 6th OA pick!!

There's a reason why Gorton is gone. EVen tho many feel his Zibanajad trade should have guaranteed him a lifetime career as GM for the NYR.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

Dolan is a giant tool and his meddling with the knicks made them a laughingstock for the better part of 2 decades. I would just like to know the reason why JD/JG were let go. Was it because of the statement or unrelated?

I'm guessing the former. The fact that Drury, who is a protege of Gorton, was the immediate(unconditional)replacement.

Drury was part of Gorton's approach. I don't see him deviating much from that plan.

I think Dolan's comments about the team not performing is a mediocre smokescreen. If Dolan genuinely cared about the teams performance or direction, Drury would be gone too.

This just seems like some pissing contest about loyalty.

 

[Edge]

Smith. Lettieri. And that’s just the beginning. Spare me the bs. Teammates get into fights all the time. I get why maybe the Rangers didn’t want him after that fight, but NO other team wanted him simply because he says mean things sometimes?

I wasn’t aware of the DMs thing. Maybe you should have started with that instead of directly calling me stupid?

I've literally explained more about ADA than any player in my 24 years on here.

It's not an on-ice fight in practice. Yes, that happens all the time. It happened with Boyle and Dubinsky as well.

It's not about one incident. It's about the track record he already came in with. It's about the comments and behavior he was told to knock off. It's about his inability to knock it off.

And then, to top it all off, he didn't correct his behavior after he was banished. That's what doomed him with other teams.

This has literally been mentioned a bunch of times on here. There is no mystery here. There's also a reason why you don't have pundits coming out of the woodworks calling for his return.

I just can't make this any more clear than I have, over and over and over again.

There's nothing more I would've liked than ADA just going out and playing. Whether he gets traded, whether it makes a difference in our record, whether he wears a letter, his value to the team and himself is on the ice.

No one wins in this scenario. But one person made a series of bad choices, when he was already under the microscope for a series of similar bad choices in the past. And in every instance, he really doesn't think he's done anything wrong. Which is why he keeps running into trouble.

This isn't someone who had a bad day and made a mistake. This is someone with some serious question marks. Question marks we hoped would disappear with age.

 

[Captain Monglobster]

As the night goes on I’m getting more and more pissed about this.

JD was a nice addition to the club, had a long history here and a former player and voice of the team for many years. His prior experience and temperament fit in well with what they needed in a leader and the Ranger family overall. It bothers me he was unceremoniously let go.

I think I may even be more pissed about Gorton being fired then JD. While there is no perfect GM out there (as many posters have pointed out) I was a big fan of Gorts from the start. I agreed with a majority of what he chose to do amongst several deals that panned out big time in the Rangers favor. He had a knack with his foresight and I believe he would’ve continued to build this team into a winner if he was allowed to finish what he started. I wouldn’t be surprised if he lands another job and takes off with it, because he will decide to sign on with a team he knows he can succeed with.

The one an only silver lining to all of it is I have a great deal of respect and admiration for Chris Drury. If I had to pick a successor to Gorton it would be Drury. So I’m excited to see how he would approach the job and I’m sure he will continue the plan that Gorts laid out.

However, my concern lies with Dolan and his unpredictable shenanigans given his history and how all of this went down. We really won’t know if he decides that he wants to pull the strings going forward and Drury will be his new sock puppet. If we start seeing uncharacteristic, short-sighted deals going down we know that’s the case. And that would be dreadful.

Dolans press release about fans deserving more from leadership is absolute bullshit to me, covering up the fact that he didn’t get his way or was challenged on something and power-tripped his way to a new front office. It’s disturbing and paying fans deserve a sound explanation. But there won’t be one. We all know that

Summed up perfectly. Complete bush league move especially towards JD. We need to channel Manchester United fans and light some flares on MSGs roof.

 

[Cheapshot]

Man if I were Seattle I’d be trying to get these guys on the phone ASAP to get them involved in my new organization somehow

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I think I’m pretty fair for the most part. Also it’s not really about who he voted for. Please tell me how guys like Wilson and Marchand are in the league, but no one wants to give DeAngelo a chance. I don’t give a flying f*** that he’s an asshole. Pretty sure Michael Jordan was a giant asshole too. And other than Georgiev, what toxic comments?

Didn’t know you had Tony DeArangement Syndrome too, Edge.

Look, I realize I’m very biased when it comes to DeAngelo, but not for the reason you may think. But I can admit that.

Pretty sure nobody wanted him because they either had no cap space or did not know what happened exactly with him.

 

[NikC]

I've literally explained more about ADA than any player in my 24 years on here.

It's not an on-ice fight in practice. Yes, that happens all the time. It happened with Boyle and Dubinsky as well.

It's not about one incident. It's about the track record he already came in with. It's about the comments and behavior he was told to knock off. It's about his inability to knock it off.

And then, to top it all off, he didn't correct his behavior after he was banished. That's what doomed him with other teams.

This has literally been mentioned a bunch of times on here. There is no mystery here. There's also a reason why you don't have pundits coming out of the woodworks calling for his return.

I just can't make this any more clear than I have, over and over and over again.

There's nothing more I would've liked than ADA just going out and playing. Whether he gets traded, whether it makes a difference in our record, whether he wears a letter, his value to the team and himself is on the ice.

No one wins in this scenario. But one person made a series of bad choices, when he was already under the microscope for a series of similar bad choices in the past. And in every instance, he really doesn't think he's done anything wrong. Which is why he keeps running into trouble.

This isn't someone who had a bad day and made a mistake. This is someone with some serious question marks. Question marks we hoped would disappear with age.

honest question for you... the NYR being full aware it was not "about one incident" why did they decide to resign him to a 2 yr extension?

and to make matters worse, go public with there issues with the player effectively destroying his trade value?

 

[Levitate]

Ok this I can respect. He should have realized that his play wasn’t great at the time. I wish he showed better judgment. At the end of the day, he’s still my favorite Ranger of all time, and that has nothing to do with his views. So seriously, can you guys cut me some slack for that? Lol

honestly yes lol

I think I was a pretty vocal advocate that the Rangers shouldn't give him up for nothing when it came to the idea of trading him regardless of his views or personality, and that you shouldn't just give away that scored at the rate he did

but I think he also screwed himself in all of this in the end. Even if Gorton and JD were too harsh on him maybe he needs to keep a lid on it or ask for a trade or whatever, not do what he did, but from all indication he's a hot head and couldn't keep it under wraps and it's like dealing with a toddler...you set boundaries and once you do that you can't keep moving them back every time they get pushed. If the boundaries were set it's up to DeAngelo to stop trying to push them

 

[Edge]

I understand the fear of a Dolan takeover. But he hasn't so much as sneezed at Knicks in awhile.

I'm willing to see how this plays out and see what our offseason moves actually are.

And the truth is you're not wrong. It could very well be nothing.

The fear comes from Dolan's track record and the way this was handled. It's hard to separate those two things, because they're distinctly Dolan.

It's like watching an arsonist who goes quite for a while, but who then suddenly appears while playing with a lighter and mysterious backpack. Maybe he does nothing, but that gut feeling in your stomach is so hard to ignore.

 

[Off Sides]

I don't put much emphasis on the play in series at all. They were a young team with a 4 month layoff and 1 preseason game before play resumed against a good Carolina team that had been swept during the regular season and had something to prove. I am scared to death that this asshole Dolan is going to screw things up.

Dolan I get the trepidation, yet I think it's more likely if anyone screws this up it's Sather

Edit, and Sather will probably do so.

And I too do not put much stock in the play ins from last year either, more so the deadline prior, then those play ins happening, and how this team started the season, and then later on stunk against the better teams this year. Combine that with the youth progressing so slowly... Anyway I am not saying I love this, yet I understand it.

 

[Machinehead]

And the truth is you're not wrong. It could very well be nothing.

The fear comes from Dolan's track record and the way this was handled. It's hard to separate those two things, because they're distinctly Dolan.

It's like watching an arsonist who goes quite for a while, but who then suddenly appears while playing with a lighter and mysterious backpack. Maybe he does nothing, but that gut feeling in your stomach is so hard to ignore.

I'm totally with you on that and you know I'll be first in line if he does something dumb. It won't take long to find out. If this is going sour, the first domino will be a big one.

 

[Miamipuck]

I'm totally with you on that and you know I'll be first in line if he does something dumb. It won't take long to find out. If this is going sour, the first domino will be a big one.

The first domino was a big one.

 

[haveandare]

I don’t either. I thought I was being pretty fair. HOW TF is it a stretch to say he should be given one more chance after making ONE comment that triggered Georgiev? It’s like wtf is wrong with some people?? We want to crucify someone for a couple WORDS? What about Smith and Lettieri? Come the f*** on. How am I being unreasonable?

Because he’s done a lot more than that and someone with connections is not so subtly telling you they’re aware of things most people aren’t and those things explain why not a single team in the nhl is willing to take TDA for free.

 

[Levitate]

I'm totally with you on that and you know I'll be first in line if he does something dumb. It won't take long to find out. If this is going sour, the first domino will be a big one.

if Dolan demands trading for Eichel at any cost then we'll find out pretty quick this offseason...

At least Eichel is young and an extremely good player but there's still certainly a lot to be wary about in a trade

 

[Machinehead]

The first domino was a big one.

I mean, at the end of the day, we fired our GM. That's something that happens.

If we trade key prospects for an aging star, that's what I would consider something indicative of Dolan fully taking the reigns.

 

[Rempe73]

I've literally explained more about ADA than any player in my 24 years on here.

Yea and I AGREED with you. I’m not a f***ing moron. I wanted him gone too. That was, until time passed and I realized how stupid it was that his career could be over because of this. The one thing I will say is that if he ever comes back (not saying he will, relax), I do want him to get therapy or something.

Edit: Also, Durant was revealed to be a huge homophobe, and NO ONE CARES lmao

@Machinehead I love you, but how do you explain that DISGUSTING double standard? Certainly if he was a 45 supporter, he would be out of the NBA.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Hopefully Buffalo won't be willing to trade Eichel within the same division or conference.