Confirmed with Link: NYR Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

[Oscar Lindberg]

On the top of Dolan’s player wishlist is Kuznetsov

they both have similar off ice hobbies

 

[Richard Banger]

I mean, at the end of the day, we fired our GM. That's something that happens.

If we trade key prospects for an aging star, that's what I would consider something indicative of Dolan fully taking the reigns.

3 seasons with no playoffs with a team that has had playoff success for a while is enough to get a GM fired. I know it’s a rebuild but at some point you need to see significant progress.

 

[NikC]

I've literally explained more about ADA than any player in my 24 years on here.

It's not an on-ice fight in practice. Yes, that happens all the time. It happened with Boyle and Dubinsky as well.

It's not about one incident. It's about the track record he already came in with. It's about the comments and behavior he was told to knock off. It's about his inability to knock it off.

i call BS until you answer my question

 

[Levitate]

Yea and I AGREED with you. I’m not a f***ing moron. I wanted him gone too. That was, until time passed and I realized how stupid it was that his career could be over because of this. The one thing I will say is that if he ever comes back (not saying he will, relax), I do want him to get therapy or something.

if his career is over that's HIS fault though, not the Rangers.

 

[Rempe73]

honestly yes lol

I think I was a pretty vocal advocate that the Rangers shouldn't give him up for nothing when it came to the idea of trading him regardless of his views or personality, and that you shouldn't just give away that scored at the rate he did

but I think he also screwed himself in all of this in the end. Even if Gorton and JD were too harsh on him maybe he needs to keep a lid on it or ask for a trade or whatever, not do what he did, but from all indication he's a hot head and couldn't keep it under wraps and it's like dealing with a toddler...you set boundaries and once you do that you can't keep moving them back every time they get pushed. If the boundaries were set it's up to DeAngelo to stop trying to push them

Thank you for seeing the nuance to my argument and being rational about it unlike @Edge, which honestly I did not expect out of him. I thought I was being reasonable, and you took the words right out of my mouth. Damn. Very well said.

 

[rangers1314]

I mean, at the end of the day, we fired our GM. That's something that happens.

If we trade key prospects for an aging star, that's what I would consider something indicative of Dolan fully taking the reigns.

To me, the JD firing hits harder than Gorton.

JD built 2 very good organizations, 1 got a cup after he left. He is BELOVED here. He’s had the job for only 2 seasons. He wanted so badly to be here. His first words after his hiring were “dreams come true”.

This reeks. I hope I’m wrong, but it feels like a move that throws so much instability at an organization at such a key, key moment in their growth. It could throw the entire thing off kilter

 

[Machinehead]

To me, the JD firing hits harder than Gorton.

JD built 2 very good organizations, 1 got a cup after he left. He is BELOVED here. He’s had the job for only 2 seasons. He wanted so badly to be here. His first words after his hiring were “dreams come true”.

This reeks. I hope I’m wrong, but he feels like a move that throws so much instability at an organization at such a key, key moment in their growth. It could throw the entire thing off kilter

I hear you. Perhaps Gorton was on the hot seat anyway and JD is more related to the statement against the league. Just spitballing.

 

[Rempe73]

if his career is over that's HIS fault though, not the Rangers.

98% his fault. 2% Gorton’s, but I get it.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The trickle down effect on this decision is going to be more interesting as the summer approaches.

Is JD’s son in law who is the head of NA scouting sticking around?

what becomes of Gordie and Bobrov ?

 

[Rempe73]

Also, is Buchnevich89 and PavelBuchnevich the same poster?

f*** you. I’m pretty f***ing reasonable.

 

[Levitate]

3 seasons with no playoffs with a team that has had playoff success for a while is enough to get a GM fired. I know it’s a rebuild but at some point you need to see significant progress.

They might hav emade the palyoffs last season with a full season? They would have made the playoffs this year in a different division or probably not COVID year?
that's progress

 

[rangers1314]

I hear you. Perhaps Gorton was on the hot seat anyway and JD is more related to the statement against the league. Just spitballing.

Yeah maybe, but like @Edge has alluded to, my money is that the petulant little brat with the inferiority complex decided “but I wannnna win nowwwwww”

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don’t either. I thought I was being pretty fair. HOW TF is it a stretch to say he should be given one more chance after making ONE comment that triggered Georgiev? It’s like wtf is wrong with some people?? We want to crucify someone for a couple WORDS? What about Smith and Lettieri? Come the f*** on. How am I being unreasonable?

It wasn't "one comment that triggered Georgiev". Gorton clearly stated they gave DeAngelo a final warning before that happened.

 

[Edge]

honest question for you... the NYR being full aware it was not "about one incident" why did they decide to resign him to a 2 yr extension?

and to make matters worse, go public with there issues with the player effectively destroying his trade value?

As I've talked about before, but ADA always walked a fine line. And sometimes it took him out of the lineup. But, for the most part, he more or less kept himself in check for a while.

Starting around late last year, his behavior began to draw an increasing amount of attention. Whether it was fan interactions, or interactions with teammates, it got noticed for the wrong reasons. Maybe it was quarantine, maybe it was the election, maybe it was the security of signing a nice new contract. But something shifted. He was told multiple times to tone it down. Then he was told flat out to knock it off. Then he was told he was on his last chance.

Each and every time, he blew it. In fact, his conduct actually became more abrasive and distracting. Some of your older members of the team even tried talking to him --- namely Trouba. But he kept pushing and pushing and pushing. Finally, it boils over.

It wasn't just one thing. It was multiple. And now it was becoming an issue with his teammates. They might like the hell out of you, but if they don't trust you, it's all over. He lost their confidence. The fight was just the straw that broke the camels back.

The reason why they went public was because his behavior was not a secret. It was going to leak out no matter, assuming there was anyone in the league who didn't already have some idea what was going on. The thought was also to nip it in the bud so that it wouldn't be a question that came up every single game --- especially when the Rangers were struggling.

No team in the league was going to trade for him without doing their homework. And that's where it really fell apart for ADA. Word leaked out about some of his social activities, teams were sent screen shots of messages he was sending people, and some of it was pretty...it was bad. Let's not even sugar coat it. It was bad.

So now you have this growing list of concerns. And, he's doing it AFTER he's sent home from the team. Burner accounts, new accounts, new platforms, etc.

He was toast at that point. Because literally anyone interested is looking at this and saying, "You didn't learn a thing! How can I give you another chance right now."

Now, having sat for a season, he'll probably get an offer next season. GMs are always willing to gamble on talent. But there is no way they were trading for him at the salary with those concerns. Doesn't matter if the Rangers said he was done, or told the world he was taking a year off to serve as a Christian missionary. He was dead in the water.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Was the Parros/NHL letter from Dolan or JD/JG?

 

[Miamipuck]

I mean, at the end of the day, we fired our GM. That's something that happens.

If we trade key prospects for an aging star, that's what I would consider something indicative of Dolan fully taking the reigns.

Unfortunately, whatever domino you subscribe to the above scenario, I have all but resigned myself to the thought it's inevitable.

That's why today is so depressing for a good portion of us. I honestly thought some setbacks aside, this is the picture perfect way of rebuilding in the NHL. Firing the front office midway through and arguably keeping the most unqualified people, is pretty awful in my opinion.

 

[Power Surge]

Pens fan: I dont agree with the move you guys are close imo to be class of the division within a couple years.

 

[Machinehead]

This has been covered.

All I'm going to say is that it's not DeAngelo being targeted for his politics. Anybody who's been around the game will tell you that DeAngelo holds the majority opinion in that cohort.

I think it's that, because of DeAngelo's politics, and because that's a convenient excuse, and because we live in a climate where everything has to be about that, people just somehow can't accept that a guy who's had a reputation for being a distraction and a lousy teammate since he's 16 maybe did something wrong.

Perhaps Dolan/Drury do see the DeAngelo decision differently, but even then, it wouldn't be because of politics.

 

[Levitate]

Thank you for seeing the nuance to my argument and being rational about it unlike @Edge, which honestly I did not expect out of him. I thought I was being reasonable, and you took the words right out of my mouth. Damn. Very well said.

I think Edge is just tired of trying to explain what he heard out of the situation and why the Rangers did what they did. What I get out of him is that the Rangers gave DeAngelo chances and DeAngelo kept burning them until that was the end.

I also think some team will give him another chance

 

[Miamipuck]

Man f*** Tony Deangelo.

 

[Rempe73]

It wasn't "one comment that triggered Georgiev". Gorton clearly stated they gave DeAngelo a final warning before that happened.

To my knowledge, all I knew about was:

1. The Georgiev altercation
2. That he wanted to fight a fan (not a big deal to me if it didn’t happen)
3. The fact that he kept bringing up politics in the locker room (which I thought he stopped)
4. That he’s a 45 supporter

I thought Gorton was being a bit unfair to him. AND, if you take into account that he’s been my favorite player since Arizona and that I admit I’m very biased towards him, you can kind of see why I have the opinion I do, no? If you can’t, then I have nothing else to say.

 

[Guyute]

One of the darkest days in this organization’s history....

what did tonight prove?

 

[Richard Banger]

Why the f*** are we talking about ADA?

 

[huerter]

To me, the JD firing hits harder than Gorton.

JD built 2 very good organizations, 1 got a cup after he left. He is BELOVED here.

I dont really care for him. He's a caricature with weird Dan Blackburn anecdotes and a gimpy walk. I was no fan of Drury the player but he fits the profile of a good executive. We might actually be going North now.

 

[RGY]

Please just dont hire Jim Rutherford. Please make sure we dont do that.