Proposal: NYR/EDM

[TFHockey]

I don’t dislike the Oilers. I’m ambivalent about them, Winnipeg, Ottawa and Calgary. I can look at their respective situations objectively.

I’m not sure your GM is even going to address adding a goalie. If he does, you are not going to like the trade. It’s won’t be cheap and it will hurt the draft pick and prospect pool.

Yamamoto is ok but I don’t think he’s anything special so he’s not some heavy price to pay. In some ways, he’s your Conor Timmins. Enough there to hope for more but lack of production or injuries starts to erode those hopes of taking a much needed next level step.

If Holland fails to trade for a goalie it will be an ugly, black mark on his tenure as Oilers GM.

Yamamoto is a middle six RW. This is actually a position the Oilers aren't very deep at. I suppose I look at him as being more valuable to Edmonton than in a trade for a B goaltender. So perhaps we aren't as far apart on his ability than I first supposed. You see him as a third liner, and I see him as not good enough for a top liner, but probably too good to stay on the third for an entire year. If he did, that would mean the Oilers have two better options ahead of him (Puljujarvi and... ?) which would be super.

 

[bernmeister]

Yamamoto is arguably a middle six winger, and you can't sell Georgeiv as a big upgrade on what the Oilers currently have. There is also a legitimate question over whether the Rangers will sign Geo as a RFA this off season. He'll be looking for a raise. So "control" you quote isn't really there. What will he want? $3 Million? $4 Million?

Sorry, no, that isn't a good trade for the Oilers. Rangers win it hands down.

fear not we do NOT want Yama

So you think they should get fleeced? At least you're being honest. Yamamoto is worth more than Georgeiv.

Also, the Rangers aren't the only team the Oilers can deal with.

bold is true, as well as reciprocal. Each team should make the actual best deal it can. [I say actual, I mean not shoot itself in the foot like NYR did by not dealing Buch a coupla yrs earlier for much higher return.]

Not clear who is available and at what price. MAF maybe but not cheap, and remember, not saying he is a bad gamble, but he IS a gamble in that his whole game is about learning to control superior reflexes. The minute those go, whether it is 2 months or 2 years and 2 months, it won't be pretty.

Lehner has a torn labrum. Gotta be willing to consider a NY 2nd + Geo for a late 1st. Top that, if you can.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

i think the plus needs to be significant or the Rangers don’t bother

Georgiev sucks just as much as Koskinen just stop with this plus crap.

 

[Mikachu93]

Feel like Georgiev to EDM has been beat to death on here.

On the surface it makes sense, but there are a few roadblocks to making it happen. One being Koskinen and the other being the salary cap.

In a vacuum, Georgiev for a 2nd or 3rd straight up could work. Adding Koskinen, and other pieces over complicates the issue. The Rangers wouldn't really need Koskinen back in return and the difference is negligible. At the same time, it doesn't make sense for Edmonton to make this move without off loading Koskinen elsewhere. I don't see it happening

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Lehner has a torn labrum. Gotta be willing to consider a NY 2nd + Geo for a late 1st. Top that, if you can.

A 50th overall and a backup having a bad season for a 25th overall?

Thats not who a Cup Contending team is going to try and ride through the playoffs, especially at that cost when it’s a buyers market

 

[Vitto79]

Georgiev sucks just as much as Koskinen just stop with this plus crap.

Tell TSN to stop articles on him

 

[McSuper]

Why? Yamamoto has 40 points in his last 100 games. Is a 30 point player worth Robertson? Thats ignoring downgrading from georgiev to kodkinen and giving away Gauthier for nothing.

I think Koskinen is a better back up then Georgiev . Koskinen seems to falter when given too much work . Georgiev thrives on more work .

 

[CupSeeker]

I think Koskinen is a better back up then Georgiev . Koskinen seems to falter when given too much work . Georgiev thrives on more work .

This

 

[McSuper]

Shesterkin’s ungodly numbers only serve to make Georgiev look less appealing, quite frankly. If Igor can put up a .940 SV% behind the Ranger defence and Georgiev can’t even manage league average, how’s he going to look behind a D that’s icing four rookies right now?

Oh I can answer this . Like swiss cheese .

 

[CupSeeker]

Oh I can answer this . Like swiss cheese .

If he becomes a starter for the Oil, his numbers will be good. If he used like the Rangers use him, don't expect much. He has a starter's mentality.

 

[JimmyG89]

Not sure either team matches up well here. If Edmonton wants to upgrade Koskinen, probably best to do it with another expiring deal. Someone like Greiss fits the bill and Detroit could get another small asset out of taking Koskinen+ for Greiss.

My thought would be Koskinen + 3rd + 5th for Greiss, maybe a 7th back the other way. A Smith/Greiss tandem could be worth it.

 

[One Winged Angel]

theres not much to support that aside from conjecture.

Koskinen has never had a stretch like Georgiev’s December.

It’s not conjecture.

 

[McDNicks17]

Not sure either team matches up well here. If Edmonton wants to upgrade Koskinen, probably best to do it with another expiring deal. Someone like Greiss fits the bill and Detroit could get another small asset out of taking Koskinen+ for Greiss.

My thought would be Koskinen + 3rd + 5th for Greiss, maybe a 7th back the other way. A Smith/Greiss tandem could be worth it.

Koskinen has been quite a bit better than both Greiss and Smith this year.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Koskinen has never had a stretch like Georgiev’s December.

It’s not conjecture.

He was pretty dynamite against Buffalo, Nashville, Edmonton and twice vs Chicago.

 

[voxel]

Feel like Georgiev to EDM has been beat to death on here.

On the surface it makes sense, but there are a few roadblocks to making it happen. One being Koskinen and the other being the salary cap.

In a vacuum, Georgiev for a 2nd or 3rd straight up could work. Adding Koskinen, and other pieces over complicates the issue. The Rangers wouldn't really need Koskinen back in return and the difference is negligible. At the same time, it doesn't make sense for Edmonton to make this move without off loading Koskinen elsewhere. I don't see it happening

The big issue is... Is Georgiev even an upgrade to Kokso?

His stats are atrocious this year:

Alexandar Georgiev Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Kosko isn't great either (Mikko Koskinen Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com) so why do either teams make the trade? Bad for bad?

 

[bernmeister]

A 50th overall and a backup having a bad season for a 25th overall?

Thats not who a Cup Contending team is going to try and ride through the playoffs, especially at that cost when it’s a buyers market

What better option does Vegas have?
This is not a change of pace swap for a guy in a funk. Lehner is injured. Torn labrum. Not even attempting to disguise it.
Who can be made available to LVGK and at what price?

I think Koskinen is a better back up then Georgiev . Koskinen seems to falter when given too much work . Georgiev thrives on more work .

Agree and tbis is true.
Not saying you should acquire Geo to be your backup.
The reciprocal is also true. Geo would be your starter, and better than Kosk, for the reasons you specified.

If he becomes a starter for the Oil, his numbers will be good. If he used like the Rangers use him, don't expect much. He has a starter's mentality.

concur. Not sure if it is mentality or something else that he needs to stay sharp. But if he gets it he should be good.

Not sure either team matches up well here. If Edmonton wants to upgrade Koskinen, probably best to do it with another expiring deal. Someone like Greiss fits the bill and Detroit could get another small asset out of taking Koskinen+ for Greiss.

My thought would be Koskinen + 3rd + 5th for Greiss, maybe a 7th back the other way. A Smith/Greiss tandem could be worth it.

I get Greiss is not higher end but he looked pretty good vs Rangers wk + ago. This is a seasoned vet. I could see DET dealing, but why so cheap?

 

[ElPrimeTime]

Looks like the Oilers have cracked the case of Koskinen too!!! 6-0-1 in his last 7 starts with a .923 save percent!!!! Am I doing this right?

 

[McVespa99]

Georgiev is just another question mark. No one knows what he would do as a number 1. The Oilers cant afford to blow assets on a ? We need to pay up and trade for someone more proven and consistent.

 

[Just a Fan]

The big issue is... Is Georgiev even an upgrade to Kokso?

His stats are atrocious this year:

Alexandar Georgiev Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Kosko isn't great either (Mikko Koskinen Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com) so why do either teams make the trade? Bad for bad?

I honestly think Georgiev is better than Koskinen, kid shows flashes of greatness. That said, i don't think you trade for him in March with the hopes of riding him into the playoffs on a new team. Maybe in the offseason? Give him the preseason and regular season to get on a roll.